We need a real 250 SX Championship!

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CPR 1/31/2021 5:21pm
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CPR wrote:
A real 250 SX championship with no age limit, plus a regional development series on stock bikes.
ElliotB16 wrote:
Stock suspension, not allowed to set sag
mx510 wrote:
Stock suspension and SX sounds sketchy as hell.
Come on, be realistic- I’m meant stock as in genuine parts without heavy modification ie. you can change springs and shims, set it up to suit the rider and conditions etc but only with genuine parts that are available to everyone.
Stiffened and appropriately damped standard suspension can absolutely handle a SX track, just not at the speeds of elite riders. Remember I’m talking about a development class only.
Would keep the cost down, even out the field by eliminating factory and big team advantages and actually encourage bike development. I also think it would encourage sponsors such as dealers to get involved, because you could actually buy the exact bike on Monday, that won on Saturday.
profeshenal125 1/31/2021 8:45pm
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Watched a main event with only 4 top guys last night IMO, what a yawner.
I’ll get a better take on it Tuesday in person.
I agree sx is not exciting anymore. Indy was a better track, the 4st are just boring to watch. That,s why it’s 3rd on Feld,s priority list. Just race Daytona then start the Nationals.
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GuyB 1/31/2021 8:54pm
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Crush wrote:
125cc pro-am class
250 pro junior class
350 pro class
You forgot Stacyc, KJSR, and weiner dogs.
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norcal racer 1/31/2021 10:42pm
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One 250 class and then a youth class with deegan, Ryder, Reynolds and those boys.. maybe a 125 class with them.. or do you guys think it would just injure those kids at too early if an age

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Crush 1/31/2021 11:42pm
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Crush wrote:
125cc pro-am class
250 pro junior class
350 pro class
GuyB wrote:
You forgot Stacyc, KJSR, and weiner dogs.
Of course!

A regional two stroke entry to pro's would solve a lot of Moto's problems though...
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#434 2/2/2021 10:41pm
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They lapped to fourth today... the differences in talent and bike are just too big in these split classes.
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Motofinne 2/3/2021 12:46am
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I wonder if people that could change things finally realize that the regional system has to be scrapped for one premier 250 class. One can only hope that is the future because the current system is shit.

And the "it will cut so many jobs" argument is bad. Why not also make the 450 to a split class? More jobs for more people folks!

There would still be jobs in the regional age restricted class. Just like with EMX classes in Europe.The current 250 SX product is shit, but it has so much potential. Just think about all the East/West shootouts through the years and imagine that for 17 rounds? It's a no-brainer to make the change.

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#434 2/3/2021 2:21am
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder if people that could change things finally realize that the regional system has to be scrapped for one premier 250 class. One can only...
I wonder if people that could change things finally realize that the regional system has to be scrapped for one premier 250 class. One can only hope that is the future because the current system is shit.

And the "it will cut so many jobs" argument is bad. Why not also make the 450 to a split class? More jobs for more people folks!

There would still be jobs in the regional age restricted class. Just like with EMX classes in Europe.The current 250 SX product is shit, but it has so much potential. Just think about all the East/West shootouts through the years and imagine that for 17 rounds? It's a no-brainer to make the change.

I think it could be too much for these kids to run 17 SX races and then the outdoors (also not everybody can afford the travel). That's why I think half of the SX season to determine the regional championships (maybe 5 or 6 races per coast) and then the later half for the real 250 championship (5 or 7 races).
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Motofinne wrote:
I wonder if people that could change things finally realize that the regional system has to be scrapped for one premier 250 class. One can only...
I wonder if people that could change things finally realize that the regional system has to be scrapped for one premier 250 class. One can only hope that is the future because the current system is shit.

And the "it will cut so many jobs" argument is bad. Why not also make the 450 to a split class? More jobs for more people folks!

There would still be jobs in the regional age restricted class. Just like with EMX classes in Europe.The current 250 SX product is shit, but it has so much potential. Just think about all the East/West shootouts through the years and imagine that for 17 rounds? It's a no-brainer to make the change.

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I think it could be too much for these kids to run 17 SX races and then the outdoors (also not everybody can afford the travel)...
I think it could be too much for these kids to run 17 SX races and then the outdoors (also not everybody can afford the travel). That's why I think half of the SX season to determine the regional championships (maybe 5 or 6 races per coast) and then the later half for the real 250 championship (5 or 7 races).
Bingo how many riders would make it thru 17 rounds....
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bigk218 2/3/2021 5:12am
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If they are awarding national points and numbers, both classes should have to be 17 races. No east/west no pointing out. Move up and down as you choose. Have at it racing.
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#434 2/3/2021 5:33am
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bigk218 wrote:
If they are awarding national points and numbers, both classes should have to be 17 races. No east/west no pointing out. Move up and down as...
If they are awarding national points and numbers, both classes should have to be 17 races. No east/west no pointing out. Move up and down as you choose. Have at it racing.
If they would do half the SX season regional and half the SX season 250 national/world championship, the second half could get national points.
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Frank Tuesday 2/3/2021 5:55am
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I think it's fine how it is. If you are still learning, you have ample opportunity in 250E and 250W. If you're ready to win a real title, you put yourself up against the best riders in the world in the 450 class.

And if you're just the type of rider that riders better on a 250, race the 450 class on your 250. Put your money where your mouth is.
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-eagle- 2/3/2021 6:39am
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It wouldn't hurt to revisit an idea from 1985.
Things have changed a bit in 36 years; six years before the first support team.

Regional SX gets way to much coverage and prestige for what it is.
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mxracerjohn250 2/3/2021 6:46am
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I agree. Put them into a whole series. All the top guys will be at every race, and the others can pick and choose which to go to. The top three lapped into the top 5 last night.
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Park Boys 2/3/2021 6:47am
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Losing a big factory team and another smaller one and then KTM shrinking into Gas Gas is the real problem. The factory guys were limited this year and then they dropped like flys. Situational this year.
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I love it just the way it is. Change nothing. The 450 class is stacked what 4-5 privateers have a chance at making it utherwise its all past champs or top 5 at some point 450 riders. The battling even though its it a bunch of privateers in the 250 class is awesome i enjoy watching them as much as anything. Iy always blows my mind these are the guys we watch locally and cheer for but then when they actually get some tv time you all bitch and moan. Its great racing in both classes from first to last. Let the future wp, chizz, cantanzaro' ect ect have there time.
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yzf162 2/3/2021 6:58am
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To the guy bitching that they lapped up to 4. Rockzen lapped up to 8-10 last night. So what we should just let the top 10 race in the 450 class? These tracks are causing this more then anything.
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soggy 2/3/2021 7:47am
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Here’s a different idea just spitballing. One 250 class all 17 rounds. You have to race 12 to qualify for championship. Choose any 9 rounds you want to ride. Last 3 rounds are for the guys in the top 22. Would help guys that get injuries come back and stay in it and would keep the field fresher with different guys racing each other

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soggy 2/3/2021 7:48am
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yzf162 wrote:
To the guy bitching that they lapped up to 4. Rockzen lapped up to 8-10 last night. So what we should just let the top 10...
To the guy bitching that they lapped up to 4. Rockzen lapped up to 8-10 last night. So what we should just let the top 10 race in the 450 class? These tracks are causing this more then anything.
I dunno the race is still the same amount of time. We will see once we get to Daytona and Atlanta cause those look like they will be about 1:20 ish lap times
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Shredder 2/4/2021 10:07am
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While I would love to see a full 250 series, there's a few reasons it most likely won't happen. Right now the factory 250 teams, with the exception of Star have 2 guys for each coast. So that means they pay for 2 bikes to run all 17 rounds, no matter who is riding them. If they switch to one series, half of the team guys (mechanics, riders, etc) are out of a job, because these teams don't have the budget to run 4 guys for 17 rounds. And the smaller teams that only have 2 guys and run one coast wouldn't have the money to expand to a 17 round series. So unless they add a feeder 125 series and the manufacturers start making 125s again, I don't see it happening.
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Boomslang 2/4/2021 10:13am
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#434 wrote:
I know it’s old news, but seeing how much the level drops off after the top 5 and thinking about how great the races could be...
I know it’s old news, but seeing how much the level drops off after the top 5 and thinking about how great the races could be with all the top 250 guys together, we need a real 250 championship.

How about this:
Do 5 races east and 5 races west to determine the regional championship. Take the top 20 from each coast and do a 7 race 250 national/world SX Championship.
100% correct. This is the Pinnacle of SX, both in 250 and 450 therefore both
classes should be Stacked to the hilt with the best specialists of each class..fuck pointing out, some are better suited to tje smaller bore.

The Stadiums will fill up, the broadcasts will hit a new high...

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Motofinne wrote:
There should definitely be one premier 250 class. Then add two regional age limited 250 support classes that get no TV time, just streaming.

Yesss
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Zoer 2/5/2021 10:53pm
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Bikes lottery before the main would make 250 racing so excitement !!
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#434 2/6/2021 12:23am
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Zoer wrote:
Bikes lottery before the main would make 250 racing so excitement !!
Haha, that would be great!
But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock (remapping would be ok) ignitions and limiting the price of the suspension components to 3000-4000 $ could be a way to bring the bikes closer together.
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Motofinne 2/6/2021 12:36am
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Zoer wrote:
Bikes lottery before the main would make 250 racing so excitement !!
#434 wrote:
Haha, that would be great! But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock...
Haha, that would be great!
But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock (remapping would be ok) ignitions and limiting the price of the suspension components to 3000-4000 $ could be a way to bring the bikes closer together.
There are already suspension rules in the 250 class which are on a good level in my opinion. Suspension is so important, i wouldn't start cutting costs there.
http://pulpmx.com/2018/04/19/250sx-suspension-rules/

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#434 2/6/2021 12:45am
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Zoer wrote:
Bikes lottery before the main would make 250 racing so excitement !!
#434 wrote:
Haha, that would be great! But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock...
Haha, that would be great!
But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock (remapping would be ok) ignitions and limiting the price of the suspension components to 3000-4000 $ could be a way to bring the bikes closer together.
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There are already suspension rules in the 250 class which are on a good level in my opinion. Suspension is so important, i wouldn't start cutting...
There are already suspension rules in the 250 class which are on a good level in my opinion. Suspension is so important, i wouldn't start cutting costs there.
http://pulpmx.com/2018/04/19/250sx-suspension-rules/

I know, just cutting the cost a little and be stricter with what can be done to those components. PC‘s forks and shocks are probably far away from the standard A-kit stuff.
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soggy 2/6/2021 5:56am
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#434 wrote:
Haha, that would be great! But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock...
Haha, that would be great!
But seriously they should consider evening out the level of the bikes in a regional class. Banning race fuel, running stock (remapping would be ok) ignitions and limiting the price of the suspension components to 3000-4000 $ could be a way to bring the bikes closer together.
Motofinne wrote:
There are already suspension rules in the 250 class which are on a good level in my opinion. Suspension is so important, i wouldn't start cutting...
There are already suspension rules in the 250 class which are on a good level in my opinion. Suspension is so important, i wouldn't start cutting costs there.
http://pulpmx.com/2018/04/19/250sx-suspension-rules/

#434 wrote:
I know, just cutting the cost a little and be stricter with what can be done to those components. PC‘s forks and shocks are probably far...
I know, just cutting the cost a little and be stricter with what can be done to those components. PC‘s forks and shocks are probably far away from the standard A-kit stuff.
They are already restricted to commercially available products for suspension seems sufficient enough. I like the idea of one series you race 12 out of the 17 rounds riders and teams pick 9 races they want to go to and the final three rounds are for those in the top 22. We would see good racing with a different field almost every event. It would help with injuries like Jett’s shoulder and Forkner’s collarbone

Everyone clamoring for a 125 class it’s never going to happen. Might as well be realistic
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B Gotti 2/6/2021 6:43am
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Its time make some changes. Its not 1995 anymore. Imo 3 classes. 250 class 14+ regional class to get your supercross license (North, South, East, West). 250 class 16+ that runs all 17 rounds & the 450 class 18+.
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lumpy790 2/6/2021 7:30am
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Thank you Dave Coombs Sr for east/west splitting the 125/250F class for the privateers.

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