We are robbed by Youthstream in every race

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4/10/2018 7:35 AM

They dedicate themselves to putting up advertising fences in a way that hardly show anything to those who go to the track.
To see something, you have to look around avoiding them.
In many places you only see something more of the track if you are elevated and still do not see everything you could see because it is riddled with billboards.
These fences are placed to be shown on television, but Youthstream does not care if it covers the viewer's vision.
Youtstream, or the TV or the public, the two things can not be, if you want the money from the tele ok, but that way you will lose money from the public and people who will stop going to the races.
In the past Red Sand GP in Spain there was already a confrontation with the organization for these fences.
If it is also a flat circuit you still see less. And if you pay for a grandstand, do not think you're going to see everything you could.
It is that they abuse for part of Youthstream.
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4/10/2018 7:38 AM

Follow the money.

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4/10/2018 7:38 AM

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4/10/2018 7:44 AM

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4/10/2018 8:10 AM

I feel your pain on this ruy. Getting to be the same here in the USA. Between banner placement and VIP areas it is getting tough for the regular fan to see anything. Seems to me they have technology these days that could show the advertisements on the screen without all the huge signs blocking the view at the track.

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4/10/2018 8:35 AM


What's the problem?
You don't wanna watch, in my mind the best race coverage, and it's in HD, and that's all without ads.
Or maybe you have better idea how to run world champiochip's without income from the adwertaisers How can't people understand that it's all business. Nor Luongo, or DC don't do it because just for pleasure, and love for MX. Do it better, or dont't whine. It's called business, othewise it will be ungrateful job
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Power is nothing without control

4/10/2018 8:48 AM

The days of just staying behind the flags are over. We always said our sport should be mainstream. Guess we didn't think it through.

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My wife calls you guys the Yahoos.

4/10/2018 9:10 AM

It has gotten to be a joke. Can't see anything from side of track except advertising

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4/10/2018 9:15 AM

I thought this thread was going to be about full rider gates

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4/10/2018 9:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/10/2018 9:22 AM

I guess banners could be placed differently, to allow more view for spectators, but still could be seen on tv. At least most of them. This looks like making fun of the fans who attend races.

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4/10/2018 9:29 AM

Obviously they don’t care about spectators! They look great on the tv!

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4/10/2018 9:45 AM

I spoke to a YS official at the 2015 Thai MXGP, he said they went from 1 to 1,5 Meter height because it's how they make money..

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4/10/2018 10:18 AM

Luongo doesn't give a damn about the Trackside Spectators?

Well of course he doesn't.

Though, I bet he still insists on his 'cut' of attendance.

It's the same every bloody where, with any TV / Streaming sports event. That's the Real money maker.

It sucks, but it's how it is, and it won't get any better, sadly.

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4/10/2018 10:50 AM

Purely by coincidence ...

I was watching Trentino on MXGP-TV over the weekend, and I saw all that signage, and I thought, "Good thing this circuit has elevation changes, because I don't know how they'd be able to see without all those signs."

It must indeed suck at flat circuits. But it's big-time racing, not the local county fair, so this is the way it shall be.

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

4/10/2018 10:54 AM

Bearuno wrote:

Luongo doesn't give a damn about the Trackside Spectators?

Well of course he doesn't.

Though, I bet he still insists on his 'cut' of attendance.

It's the same every bloody where, with any TV / Streaming sports event. That's the Real money maker.

It sucks, but it's how it is, and it won't get any better, sadly.

I'm not sure about the "cut of the attendance" part. With F1, the race organizer pays a (massive) fee, and F1 retains TV rights and signage rights. The promoter has to make his money back through ticket sales and other local revenue sources. I always assumed MXGP works the same way (minus the "massive" fee), but I do not know.



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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

4/10/2018 12:48 PM

Its getting stupid.. they could be 25% smaller and it would help no end, and still be just as visible.

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4/10/2018 12:49 PM

Some of the sizes and positioning of the billboards are really egregious.

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4/10/2018 12:50 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/10/2018 12:53 PM

This is a problem I got in a fight with GP of Latvia organizer. He called me uneducated and I said I`ll take my money elsewhere. 2015 was my last GP race. When I go to the race and spend 400 bucks I expect to see the race, not just part of one corner and somebody jumping somewhere.

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4/10/2018 1:28 PM

Who would do anything if the crowd decides to kick/tear them down? Can’t say I noticed them much at Matterley but it has a lot of elevation change

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4/10/2018 1:39 PM

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4/10/2018 3:13 PM

Words from the organizer of the GP of Spain, Juanjo Gimeno, first GP that takes place in Red Sand;
Advertising, system and location is the responsibility of the promoter, not ours. On Thursday when they began to put it, we had several fights with them about it because as you say you covered all the vision of the circuit. They did not pay any attention to us, with the consequent anger on my part and thus transmitted to Luongo. It's a shame, but they only care about TV!
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Pics from Latvia, how right is Kongols commenting here

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4/10/2018 3:27 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/10/2018 3:29 PM

Youthstream, Luongo, does everything with the approval of the FIM, the FIM that are accomplices of the theft to all the fans that go to the circuit to see a GP.
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More pics from Latvia.

To me the only solution that occurs to me, is that we send emails to the to the companies that advertise on those fences, maybe send this thread, so that this changes, when they see that they are participants in our disappointment and anger, maybe they think about it and see that it is not a good strategy to have to potential disgruntled customers, since Youtstream and the FIM care about us zero, it's the only thing I see that can have positive effects so that the fans that go to the circuit can see the race and the effort of going to a career worthwhile and do not come back with the feeling,what shit is this.

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4/10/2018 3:34 PM


Make a list. Of all the overzealous, greedy fucks that do it.
Email them, back it up with a letter, telling them that because of their actions, their signs that blocked your view of the racing, you won't be buying their product. And don't.
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4/11/2018 12:41 AM

The 2 last posts from Ruy and Motogrady

This is perhaps the only way to get some sense shown. But, with Luongo, it really is almost certain sense would never be shown.

It has pissed me off at GPs / MXDNs I've attended, and pisses me off watching it online. It certainly does not leave me with warm and fuzzy feelings towards the Advertised products, even when I'm fully aware of marketing. Bad marketing / advertising, is not a good thing for advertisers.

Most of the pictures Ruy , Kongols and others have put up, show that substantial amounts could be taken off the top, the bottom or both of many of the signs, whilst still giving the Sponsors good exposure.The signs would still stick out like Dogs Balls, but could leave better viewing for 'at track' spectators.

Though, I have to say, a couple of years ago a Dirty Great big advertising sign (that did not block any spectator 'viewage') at Loket acted much like 'Matthes' Nets' - a rider blew over a berm, and went into the sign. Better that than down the side of the mountain / hill that the corner was on w00t

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4/11/2018 12:58 AM

The banners on both sides of the track look great on TV. Maybe the promoters can pay the tracks from the TV earnings and we can all just stay home and watch it instead of attending the live events.

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4/11/2018 1:22 AM

If you are really interested in seeing a MXGP/AMA race, you watch in on TV. There is very, very few tracks where you can follow the whole track.

So standing and watching it in one corner for 30min? No thanks. Think the high fences or advertising around the track is a little problem.

Supercross on the other hand, that is a real uplift in experience being there live.

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4/11/2018 2:41 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/11/2018 2:43 AM

I was last year at the MXGP in Trentino the first time and last time.It is one of the worst tracks for the specatators

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4/11/2018 3:10 AM

I don’t get why they have to have 8 fucking signs saying the same thing in a row.

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4/11/2018 4:34 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/11/2018 4:35 AM

This kind of thing is what has me considering not going to the MXoN. $300+ for a ticket to see banners/ads. Sad.

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4/11/2018 4:52 AM

Could always go watch a football match, you know where you sit right at the back of the stadium and can barely make out the players?
Or how about an enduro? Can complain about all the trees in the way

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