Was Webb shafted on points?

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2019 9:25am
I couldn't help but crunch some numbers after Cooper's impressive rides last weekend. It'd pretty cool to look at the aspect that we could be heading in to Round 3 with a 3 way tie for the championship! Here is a link to a quick article I did that shows the points both ways. Would like to see your votes on how you think points should work at the Triple Crown stops.

http://www.kcmx.net/2019/01/was-webb-shafted-on-triple.html

Should points be paid per Main in the Triple Crowns rounds?

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zehn 1/24/2019 2:17pm
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Points are awarded for the overall finish, as they should be
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Squirrelings 1/24/2019 2:19pm
1/24/2019 2:19pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2019 2:20pm
12 minutes once doesn't earn you 26 points or your name in the record books.
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cameron96 1/24/2019 2:41pm
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Coop is the only repeat winner in either 250 and 450 class this year tho. Interesting stat
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Falcon 1/24/2019 2:46pm
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No. 26 points for an overall victory. Cooper is the only 450 "Winner" of A2.
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mattyhamz2 1/24/2019 2:47pm
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Falcon wrote:
No. 26 points for an overall victory. Cooper is the only 450 "Winner" of A2.
And not a repeat winner.
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TD248 1/24/2019 3:08pm
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I mean.... we give points per moto at nationals
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theprizefighter 1/24/2019 3:20pm
1/24/2019 3:20pm
Killer Customz wrote:
I couldn't help but crunch some numbers after Cooper's impressive rides last weekend. It'd pretty cool to look at the aspect that we could be heading...
I couldn't help but crunch some numbers after Cooper's impressive rides last weekend. It'd pretty cool to look at the aspect that we could be heading in to Round 3 with a 3 way tie for the championship! Here is a link to a quick article I did that shows the points both ways. Would like to see your votes on how you think points should work at the Triple Crown stops.

http://www.kcmx.net/2019/01/was-webb-shafted-on-triple.html
I don’t get why this was downvoted since it was just a topic for discussion. Personally I’d like to see points per main since the format itself is so unique. A lot of people complain about the season being boring when you have a runaway points leader, and this would add some flavor to the points system without the disastrous idea of resetting the points after so many rounds, or a chase style points system.
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Track and Trail 1/24/2019 3:20pm
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They are not main events at all. What we have here are three crazy races in a row. Might as call each round a championship if you're going to have three mains. Arizona champion. Call them motos.
theprizefighter 1/24/2019 3:21pm
1/24/2019 3:21pm
Falcon wrote:
No. 26 points for an overall victory. Cooper is the only 450 "Winner" of A2.
And he still would be if each main had a points system since he was overall the best that night.
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Track and Trail 1/24/2019 3:24pm
1/24/2019 3:24pm
And double, triple, or any other multiplier of the total points available per round is bs unless it's at every round. Wouldn't want to be hurt for a triple crown race and all the sudden be down 70+ points, would you.
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theprizefighter 1/24/2019 3:26pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
And double, triple, or any other multiplier of the total points available per round is bs unless it's at every round. Wouldn't want to be hurt...
And double, triple, or any other multiplier of the total points available per round is bs unless it's at every round. Wouldn't want to be hurt for a triple crown race and all the sudden be down 70+ points, would you.
Why not? The format is unique itself so why not make the points something to earn in each main?
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midwestmoto 1/24/2019 3:42pm
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The only thing that would really suck is if you missed this race you basically would be missing 3. Imagine if Barcia missed this race with it being worth 3 mains. His chances at a title would be gone
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1down5up 1/24/2019 3:45pm
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The broadcast stated that the 3 mains will be the olympic scoring system.With lowest combined score determines O/A.Assuming,the last Moto Main positions break any tie breakers.
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theprizefighter 1/24/2019 3:47pm
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midwestmoto wrote:
The only thing that would really suck is if you missed this race you basically would be missing 3. Imagine if Barcia missed this race with...
The only thing that would really suck is if you missed this race you basically would be missing 3. Imagine if Barcia missed this race with it being worth 3 mains. His chances at a title would be gone
I think that’s a really good point that I didn’t really think of. But at the same time, isn’t part of what makes up winning a title, attrition?
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SWOHIO GUY 1/24/2019 3:52pm
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Absolutely love the idea of this. I brought this up a few weeks ago and got a similar response from everyone. Imagine the hype you could put in these 3 events from a marketing standpoint. Maybe put a 10 point bonus if a rider sweeps the mains?
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nealb129 1/24/2019 3:52pm
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Keep points the same unless you sweep all 3 races then give out an extra 5 or 10 points.
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Helda 1/24/2019 3:52pm
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Killer Customz wrote:
Then why call them Main Events? Wouldn't it just be a 3 moto format?
They dont call them main events they are ganbangs and the person who has the lowest score after the 3 gangbangs is the main event winner
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Track and Trail 1/24/2019 3:53pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
And double, triple, or any other multiplier of the total points available per round is bs unless it's at every round. Wouldn't want to be hurt...
And double, triple, or any other multiplier of the total points available per round is bs unless it's at every round. Wouldn't want to be hurt for a triple crown race and all the sudden be down 70+ points, would you.
theprizefighter wrote:
Why not? The format is unique itself so why not make the points something to earn in each main?
Wouldn't want to be hurt for a triple crown race and all the sudden be down 70+ points, would you.
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midwestmoto 1/24/2019 3:53pm
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midwestmoto wrote:
The only thing that would really suck is if you missed this race you basically would be missing 3. Imagine if Barcia missed this race with...
The only thing that would really suck is if you missed this race you basically would be missing 3. Imagine if Barcia missed this race with it being worth 3 mains. His chances at a title would be gone
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I think that’s a really good point that I didn’t really think of. But at the same time, isn’t part of what makes up winning a...
I think that’s a really good point that I didn’t really think of. But at the same time, isn’t part of what makes up winning a title, attrition?
That's true but SX has always traditionally been 1 win awarded per night. I wouldn't be opposed to winning some kind of points per event. Like maybe 3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd and 3 for 3rd. And then normal points for the overall. It would give riders more of a reason to get first rather than settle for 3rd to get the overall. That actually could make things super interesting. Would Webb settle for the overall or push to get the extra points? Especially at the end of the year when those extra points are desperately needed. That would also make for a closer title chase for the riders who are better at triple crowns

Also supercross is brutal enough. I feel that if a rider missed that race due to a minor injury and it was in the middle of the season, the loss of that many points would leave little incentive to come back and perhaps consider training for MX early.
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Falcon 1/24/2019 5:27pm
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Falcon wrote:
No. 26 points for an overall victory. Cooper is the only 450 "Winner" of A2.
theprizefighter wrote:
And he still would be if each main had a points system since he was overall the best that night.
True in this case, but there could easily have been a situation, like in outdoor motocross, wherein the overall winner did not win a single race on the day (evening.)

Since SX is an artificial motocross race for the masses to enjoy, it makes more sense to have a single winner per class each night to avoid confusion. That rider would be the guy who won the MAIN event.

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aeffertz 1/24/2019 5:31pm
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TD248 wrote:
I mean.... we give points per moto at nationals
Motocross =/= Supercross

30 minutes + 2 laps > 12 minutes + 1 lap
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MxKing809 1/24/2019 5:51pm
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Lets just adjust the points structure so we have a 10 way tie!
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shredder23 1/24/2019 5:56pm
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Adding a point for each main winner would be fair. Not paying full points for each main
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GuyB 1/24/2019 7:09pm
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Debating it after the race doesn’t seem like a good idea. (Also not the first time this format has been used.)
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Johnny Depp 1/24/2019 8:09pm
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If you made all the round triple crowns then it would work great. Otherwise if there are only 3 triple crowns, make them the last 3 races of the series and lot's of riders would still have a shot at the title on paper, as it should be.
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bama205 1/24/2019 8:37pm
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zehn wrote:
Points are awarded for the overall finish, as they should be
I think it would be better if they were more like outdoor MX.

MAYBE — 15 points per main? Sweep all 3 and you get 45 points?

I don’t know how you’d drop them down, it is just a thought.
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