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1/26/2012 1:56am
Weren't the challenges from the OEM's about making a 350F about how they couldn't go and spend money to redo the motor bla bla bla???? Ummm, Yamaha just did. so another myth buster show solved again. And this was all by 2010. Remember, they said they couldn't do it by then???
Can you mention this as an example of roadblocking, when you present our arguments about 2 strokes please :-) Also, is there emails we can send to the board of directors at Pro Ama? Guessing a million letters might get their attention ;-)
Summarizing for DC:
1. 450f's not going anywhere, and most of us understand that is set in stone. They are more expensive, but we understand that atleast they are fairly reliable. We would just like the noise knocked down on them.
2. 250f's are not reliable, especially when modified.
3. 4 stroke parts are more expensive than 2 stroke 250's. Thus, when new riders come into the sport, blow the used 250f, and have to spend $2,000 to fix it. We just lost another person to the sport.
4. 4 stroke noise has caused track closures.
5. 250f modded against a stock engine 250 2 stroke are roughly going to be the same power output. Thus, the privateer will have a fair chance to ride and practice on a cheaper bike and it won't cost them to mod the motors etc.
6. If that is not a direction that OEM's are for, atleast make it fair (example:MX7MX) and figure out a real fair cc for both 4 stroke and 2 stroke. Maybe 300cc for the open class and 150cc for the proam class. But in those cases, the 2 strokes can be modded.
7. As you stated DC, the amateur races you still didn't see the 2 stroke smoke the 4 strokes for exactly what we have been saying. The modded 4 strokes will still beat the stock 250 2 stroke.
8. Changing the rules to allow the privateers to race the stock 250 2 strokes will not cost the OEM's like previously made excuses. IE: The lead ban. This rule has nothing to do with cost, because riders can ride bikes that are already out on the street. Since the stock rule would be in place, it wouldn't affect the R&D of the OEM's or the race teams. Thus, wouldn't cost them a dime.
In closing. Most of us here are in agreement about the cost of doing nothing, is the cost of our sport. We are losing riders at an excelerated speed. We are losing tracks at an excelerated speed. The OEM's and the racing products teams pockets seem to be the only reason we see that there would be any hesitation at all from Pro Ama. But we all feel that they are short term sighted and can't see that by going down this road they will lose future sales from riders who came and went. OEM's will lose because people can no longer afford the bikes every year. Finally that our sport will suffer in the pockets of others. Kind of like our economy is suffering from some greedy people right now. Maybe they could learn something by watching what happens when greed rules and common sense is thrown out the window. Thanks from all of us 2 stroke fans.
Can you mention this as an example of roadblocking, when you present our arguments about 2 strokes please :-) Also, is there emails we can send to the board of directors at Pro Ama? Guessing a million letters might get their attention ;-)
Summarizing for DC:
1. 450f's not going anywhere, and most of us understand that is set in stone. They are more expensive, but we understand that atleast they are fairly reliable. We would just like the noise knocked down on them.
2. 250f's are not reliable, especially when modified.
3. 4 stroke parts are more expensive than 2 stroke 250's. Thus, when new riders come into the sport, blow the used 250f, and have to spend $2,000 to fix it. We just lost another person to the sport.
4. 4 stroke noise has caused track closures.
5. 250f modded against a stock engine 250 2 stroke are roughly going to be the same power output. Thus, the privateer will have a fair chance to ride and practice on a cheaper bike and it won't cost them to mod the motors etc.
6. If that is not a direction that OEM's are for, atleast make it fair (example:MX7MX) and figure out a real fair cc for both 4 stroke and 2 stroke. Maybe 300cc for the open class and 150cc for the proam class. But in those cases, the 2 strokes can be modded.
7. As you stated DC, the amateur races you still didn't see the 2 stroke smoke the 4 strokes for exactly what we have been saying. The modded 4 strokes will still beat the stock 250 2 stroke.
8. Changing the rules to allow the privateers to race the stock 250 2 strokes will not cost the OEM's like previously made excuses. IE: The lead ban. This rule has nothing to do with cost, because riders can ride bikes that are already out on the street. Since the stock rule would be in place, it wouldn't affect the R&D of the OEM's or the race teams. Thus, wouldn't cost them a dime.
In closing. Most of us here are in agreement about the cost of doing nothing, is the cost of our sport. We are losing riders at an excelerated speed. We are losing tracks at an excelerated speed. The OEM's and the racing products teams pockets seem to be the only reason we see that there would be any hesitation at all from Pro Ama. But we all feel that they are short term sighted and can't see that by going down this road they will lose future sales from riders who came and went. OEM's will lose because people can no longer afford the bikes every year. Finally that our sport will suffer in the pockets of others. Kind of like our economy is suffering from some greedy people right now. Maybe they could learn something by watching what happens when greed rules and common sense is thrown out the window. Thanks from all of us 2 stroke fans.
some where that has happened before but not sure where????
the sport we call MX will have some hard times to come. pricey bikes and parts. 6000 classes and hanging out at the track from 7am til 8pm. lack of new riders coming into the sport due to the lead ban and cost.
without good 50cc class of riders in 2010. the pro ranks will suffer in 2020. the entry level classes are suffering big time right now and that should be the major focus of the industry.
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LOVELAND, CO 1st 1st 20
2nd #707 MASON CLARK - LEM
WESTMINSTER, CO 3rd 2nd 17
3rd #56 TJ PERKINS - COB
THORTON, CO 2nd 3rd 14
4th #51 BRONSON MCCLURE - COB
ARVADA, CO 4th 4th 12
5th #55 ANDREW "CADE" BRITT - COB
HIGHLANDS RANCH, CO 5th 5th 11
6th #101 TYLER LONG - COB
BOULDER, CO 6th 6th 10
7th #471 LOGAN LAUFFER - COB
RIFLE, CO 7th 7th 9
8th #105 TYLER ALDOR - COB
ARVADA, CO 8th 8th 8
9th #21 TRENTON HARRIS - KTM
THORTON, CO 10th 9th 7
10th #306 EVAN KEASLING - KTM
ARVADA, CO 9th 10th 6
11th #60 JOHN DOUGLAS - COB
LITLETON, CO 12th 11th 5
12th #121 CAMERON HARRIS - KTM
THORTON, CO 11th 12th 4
13th #777 TRENTON CHENOWETH - COB
AKRON, CO 13th 14th 3
14th #517 CLAYTON GREEN - KTM
BRIGHTON, CO 14th DNF 2
15th #100 CANYON SHOPE - KTM
PARACHUTE, CO DNS 13th 1
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No shortage of 50 riders around here. If you can't afford it get the hell out.
50cc (Class 4) - Class Finish Positions Points for this class
Overall Nbr Brand Name Hometown Moto 1 Moto 2 Points Earned
1 #17 HON JAYLEND MC CARTY COLO. SPRINGS, CO 1 1 33
2 #68 HON COOPER KEVWITCH LITTLETON, CO 3 2 30
3 #11 YAM BRADY MAC KINNON CANON CITY, CO 2 3 28
4 #7 HON TONI FERNANDEZ PUEBLO, CO 4 4 26
5 #20 HON HUNTER RODVOLD ARVADA, CO 5 5 24
6 #369 HON CHANCE GLASER COLO. SPRINGS, CO 6 6 23
7 #14 HON MEGAN ZAWACKI BENNETT, CO 7 7 22
8 #88 HON KARISTA RITCHIE COLO. SPRINGS, CO 8 9 21
9 #239 HON DYLAN BARNES-1 , 11 8 20
10 #49 HON SHEPARD RODVOLD ELIZABETH, CO 10 10 18
11 #73 YAM JENNIFER OLIVIERI-KNOX PUEBLO, CO 9 11 18
12 #66 HON JACOB GRIMES PARKER, CO 12 12 17
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In case you missed the memo, in most racing organizations now, AMATEURS CAN RACE 250 vs 250!
If people want to race two strokes, NO ONE IS STOPPING THEM!
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Maybe not at the race you have listed or some of the am nats, but take a look around across the US at the local tracks.
Measure the numbers 10 years ago, 5 years ago and today. Let me know what you find. They are down today in comparison where I ride.
Do the same with the big bike classes.
We are being priced out of the sport. $8000 purchase price, and $1500 rebuilds... I've had to rebuild 3ea 450 motors and 2ea 250 motors in the past 5 seasons. That's another bike in most cases. If those would have been two strokes, the cost would have been 80% less and most of the failures wouldn't have occurred.
The manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot by not dealing with sound issues ahead of the curve, and doing away with the two strokes.
We just got rid of one of our 450's and I'm looking for a 250 2 stroke to replace it with...
If they build a 350 that will be the bike of choice I believe for pretty much everyone. Then you can just have a pro amatuer class(like the 250fs now-be for guys with less than 3 years experience) and a pro class and everybody runs the same displacement. I love the 250f but not quite enough power but so nimble and fun and I love the 450f because it does have good power but too much and is still little heavy. 350 seems like a good mix.
Just build the damn 350 already.
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