(WR)YZ350F(X) c'mon already

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7/29/2017 6:09 AM

Yamaha, when is it going to happen? You are already behind.
Break away from the conservative business behaviors like your brothers. Take the risk and go for it! You will have a customer base.

Who else is waiting for it?

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7/29/2017 6:11 AM

I'd love to see a YZ 350F like KTM & Husky have. I'd be all over it

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7/29/2017 6:58 AM

The japs businesses have evolved to the point where the dirt bike part is almost an annoyance. If you had a huge company and one little part of it would do a tad better with alot more effort would you do it???? Plus the brand loyalists will always buy their stuff no matter what it is....

I figure they will keep doing the same thing for now.

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7/29/2017 7:12 AM

eric513anderson wrote:

I'd love to see a YZ 350F like KTM & Husky have. I'd be all over it

X2 on this. I would love to have a YZ350F in the garage!

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7/29/2017 7:31 AM

As long as you keep buying Yamaha's where is the incentive?

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7/29/2017 9:58 AM

I've wondered about this too. After the last few years it seems like ktm has just about got it right with the 350. Every time I go to the track and see someone riding a 350, I ask them how they like it. Most people say they used to have 250s and 450s but like the 350 best. Seems like a home run for manufacturers. The only
One I've ever ridden was a 2012 but wish more companies offered one as I want one to add to the garage alongside my smoker.

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7/29/2017 10:22 AM

How about a street legal WR450 ?

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7/29/2017 10:23 AM

Pirate421 wrote:

I've wondered about this too. After the last few years it seems like ktm has just about got it right with the 350. Every time I go to the track and see someone riding a 350, I ask them how they like it. Most people say they used to have 250s and 450s but like the 350 best. Seems like a home run for manufacturers. The only
One I've ever ridden was a 2012 but wish more companies offered one as I want one to add to the garage alongside my smoker.

yeah, it does seem like a more ideal size than 450. I think 400 is closer to the magic number though. Maybe 375. Although, those bigger sizes might only make sense if the 450cc was being replaced by the smaller bike. 350 obviously fits nicely between 250 and 450 if they aren't going anywhere.

I think if there was a 350 class, the 250 smokers would match up pretty well, and it would be hard for the organizing bodies to say it's not fair, for either side.

it definitely added a layer of drama to the racing when the 4 strokes and 2 strokes we're running together. One more element to cheer or jeer for.

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7/29/2017 11:00 AM
Edited Date/Time: 7/29/2017 11:51 AM

Beta has a 350/390/430 and 480. Soon a 250. They are great Vet MX bikes. And street legal too.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

7/29/2017 11:52 AM

Pirate421 wrote:

I've wondered about this too. After the last few years it seems like ktm has just about got it right with the 350. Every time I go to the track and see someone riding a 350, I ask them how they like it. Most people say they used to have 250s and 450s but like the 350 best. Seems like a home run for manufacturers. The only
One I've ever ridden was a 2012 but wish more companies offered one as I want one to add to the garage alongside my smoker.

You are right, as a vet rider the 350 is just about perfect for me, It still lugs but I can keep up with 450s if I wind it out.

Apparently the 350 is KTM/Husky's best selling size throughout their line, but don't hold your breath waiting for the Japanese to do anything about it, I think dirt bikes are chump change for them nowadays.

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7/29/2017 12:02 PM

Pirate421 wrote:

I've wondered about this too. After the last few years it seems like ktm has just about got it right with the 350. Every time I go to the track and see someone riding a 350, I ask them how they like it. Most people say they used to have 250s and 450s but like the 350 best. Seems like a home run for manufacturers. The only
One I've ever ridden was a 2012 but wish more companies offered one as I want one to add to the garage alongside my smoker.

Katoomey wrote:

yeah, it does seem like a more ideal size than 450. I think 400 is closer to the magic number though. Maybe 375. Although, those bigger sizes might only make sense if the 450cc was being replaced by the smaller bike. 350 obviously fits nicely between 250 and 450 if they aren't going anywhere.

I think if there was a 350 class, the 250 smokers would match up pretty well, and it would be hard for the organizing bodies to say it's not fair, for either side.

it definitely added a layer of drama to the racing when the 4 strokes and 2 strokes we're running together. One more element to cheer or jeer for.

That's why I think the 350 is perfect. It's not a replacement for the 250 or 450. If they did away with the 450 it would hurt a lot of customers. Regardless of the argument of who can use a 450 to its potential, people still want and buy 450s. Maybe the 350 program started as a pilot program but has evolved over the last 7 years as a high seller. Some people argue that a 350 won't win a national or sx championship. So what? Less than one percent of riders are competing in those series. I'm 100 times more likely to buy a bike because a vet or rider with similar skill and ability wins on than what works best for Ryan dungey and ken roczen.

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7/29/2017 12:08 PM

I would be interested. perfect for woods or mx.

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7/29/2017 12:23 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Beta has a 350/390/430 and 480. Soon a 250. They are great Vet MX bikes. And street legal too.

If had the cheese...lol. I like their BYOB, Build your own Beta program. Makes a lot of sense

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7/29/2017 12:46 PM

I've been riding the Husky 350FX lately. This engine size is the "perfect fit" for A LOT of my Vet class buddies.

Yamaha should make a 350 out of their EXCELLENT 250F.

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7/29/2017 2:09 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Beta has a 350/390/430 and 480. Soon a 250. They are great Vet MX bikes. And street legal too.

sumdood wrote:

If had the cheese...lol. I like their BYOB, Build your own Beta program. Makes a lot of sense

They fall between Japanese prices and Austrian prices.

The BYOB is cool, I bought mine that way. A good dealer can match or beat the deal also.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

7/29/2017 4:11 PM

Take off the "F" and it'd be interesting.........

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7/29/2017 5:12 PM

A 350 would be nice but much-lighter current offerings would be just as sweet.

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7/29/2017 5:42 PM

APLMAN99 wrote:

Take off the "F" and it'd be interesting.........

Like this?

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

7/29/2017 6:36 PM

APLMAN99 wrote:

Take off the "F" and it'd be interesting.........

Johnny Depp wrote:

Like this?

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7/29/2017 6:38 PM

the japanese manufacturers seem to take their cues from each other rather than what the demand of the consumer . they are awesome at thinking inside the box. just go buy a ktm

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7/29/2017 7:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/29/2017 7:04 PM

But what if the mass isn't centralized enough and it ends up being a turd just like their 450?

I would sell my 250f immediately either way for a down payment the first day they came out with an e start yz350f.

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7/29/2017 11:57 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/30/2017 12:35 AM

user760a wrote:

the japanese manufacturers seem to take their cues from each other rather than what the demand of the consumer . they are awesome at thinking inside the box. just go buy a ktm

You are right about the cues. They tend to compete with their own and not internationally.
During my time at a Yamaha/Suzuki dealership they asked for customer feedback about their products. Year after year they asked but year after year things never changed. It's like they expected the customer to reluctantly accept or forget about the short comings of their products. It is understandable that changes to the mfg process are expensive but they would change something the customers were not even asking for and in some cases have to revise or reverse the change.

They are losing significant market share the longer all of these attitudes go on. In my own opinion, the east is afraid to take a risk. They will sit back and provide an improved copy of a product rather then venture out and create something from nothing.

In regards to the ktm, I have 2 of them and like them but the truth is, they are expensive to buy, setup, and maintain. I had 2 yamahas which I also liked (250 2t and 450f) before the KTMs and they were not as nearly expensive but just as much fun. I weigh 250lbs in gear and for long term ownership a yz250f is not enough in power unless abused, and a yz450f is too much. Seems to me most would be happy with a 350 option. The reason I started the thread about a Yamaha yz350f option is because they have demonstrated that they are the most likely Japanese manufacturer to take the risk. More competition is better. The conservative business nature of the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers might be their downfall.

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7/30/2017 12:24 AM

sumdood wrote:

How about a street legal WR450 ?

They are down here.

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I blame Honda.

7/30/2017 1:38 AM

2 Stroke and 4 stroke Hybrid Yamaha "6 stroke"

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7/30/2017 3:12 AM

l'd buy a YZ350FX, but l'll keep my 2011 RMZ450 until they make one.

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