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gpracer36 8/26/2015 7:20pm
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forks are personal, just like everything else. A large percentage of customers do not like the 4cs. A large percent. There are always going to be the few that have no problem, but I think they are few and far between. So for those that love them, good for you. Go ride! For the other 90% who paid 10K for a bike with shit forks, we would expect something on par with the rest of the bike please
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Ok, I been doing a little research . . . Why isn't anybody talking about the ohlins 22mm cartridges inserted in the stock 4cs uppers and...
Ok, I been doing a little research . . .

Why isn't anybody talking about the ohlins 22mm cartridges inserted in the stock 4cs uppers and lowers as a solution??? Only 1200 bucks or so


are the 3500 dollar complete ohlins forks or wp 48mm cone valve forks that much better???
The complete fork setup includes coatings and tolerances that do make the forks work better. I also think resale of the complete fork is better as you're then offering a true bolt on. With inserts you need to sell them with the bike or have the converted back and then whoever buys them has to install them. These few things alone made buying complete forks more attractive.

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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/26/2015 7:37pm
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Hey Shane, how do the full Ohlins forks ride compaired to come valves? I found a deal for RFX forks for $2k but will need springs for my weight. Would you?
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KTMShane699 8/26/2015 7:43pm
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At $2,000 for a full set of forks I would buy them all day knowing you'll probably make money when you're done with them. I sold mine for $2,500 or $2,600...I can't recall which. Prices have gone up in the last year or two which helps them hold their value. Figure a set of springs will set you back about $125 or so. I don't think you'll get into a better fork for less money. You can't go wrong as long as they're in good shape.

Actually, at that price you can invest in a new shock as well and not lose a dime when you're done. Ride top shelf suspension for no money in the end!

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Agree with Shane. That's a deal!
inthebadboycorner 8/26/2015 7:59pm
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Funk me. KTM must surely be embarrassed with all this negativity with there forks.
There are more threads on their forks than all other brands combined.
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Thelen20 wrote:
Ok, I been doing a little research . . . Why isn't anybody talking about the ohlins 22mm cartridges inserted in the stock 4cs uppers and...
Ok, I been doing a little research . . .

Why isn't anybody talking about the ohlins 22mm cartridges inserted in the stock 4cs uppers and lowers as a solution??? Only 1200 bucks or so


are the 3500 dollar complete ohlins forks or wp 48mm cone valve forks that much better???
KTMShane699 wrote:
The complete fork setup includes coatings and tolerances that do make the forks work better. I also think resale of the complete fork is better as...
The complete fork setup includes coatings and tolerances that do make the forks work better. I also think resale of the complete fork is better as you're then offering a true bolt on. With inserts you need to sell them with the bike or have the converted back and then whoever buys them has to install them. These few things alone made buying complete forks more attractive.

Shane
Ok, I was thinking that if the tolerances and the coating make it twice as good, no wonder people spend twice the money, plus the resale value of being able to sell them separate from the bike sale when you are finished.

I was just surprised that after all the reading I have done the last few days, nobody has gone with the cartridges only.

If I buy complete forks I am probably going to have to make do with the stock shock for a while. . .
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Thelen20 8/26/2015 8:03pm
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Funk me. KTM must surely be embarrassed with all this negativity with there forks.
There are more threads on their forks than all other brands combined.
They are that bad! Lol
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Having ridden my 16 350 SXF, for 2 hours so far, I find the forks are working well.
I have come off a 300sx, that had Ohlins shock and forks.
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Funk me. KTM must surely be embarrassed with all this negativity with there forks.
There are more threads on their forks than all other brands combined.
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They are that bad! Lol
It's fucking ridiculous!

If they just got Yamahas SSS fork, measured it, copied it and put it into production, it's over in pretty much every shootout ever.

It's pretty fuckin rare you see a KTM guy who hasn't revalved their suspension and even then is ecstatic about it.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/26/2015 8:45pm
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At $2,000 for a full set of forks I would buy them all day knowing you'll probably make money when you're done with them. I sold...
At $2,000 for a full set of forks I would buy them all day knowing you'll probably make money when you're done with them. I sold mine for $2,500 or $2,600...I can't recall which. Prices have gone up in the last year or two which helps them hold their value. Figure a set of springs will set you back about $125 or so. I don't think you'll get into a better fork for less money. You can't go wrong as long as they're in good shape.

Actually, at that price you can invest in a new shock as well and not lose a dime when you're done. Ride top shelf suspension for no money in the end!

Shane
If the ohlins RFX forks are off a 2015 Husky, do I need different fork guards and axel for 15 250FE?

Any idea how they compair to the cone valves. I have ridden CV's. It's a tough call if you add up $2100(for forks and shipping) +$125 for springs. For $700 more I could get the CVs from Billy to my door.

Is that $700 more worth it?
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It would was be so great if KTM offered a fork swap for the AER forks for customers who purchased a new bike. Swapping used forks would be tough so it would have to be done by the dealer prior to taking the bike home.

At the very least, offer a discount on the cone valves and/or AER forks for customers who purchased a new KTM.

I know.. Wishful thinking.
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OR Racer46 8/26/2015 10:14pm
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C joe 317. I will trade you my 15 5cs forks and 200 for you FC revalved. Forks. Then you are only 500 off . And since you are already second guessing if you should get the CV forks You will always wonder and wish you just got the best you could
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OR Racer46 8/26/2015 10:24pm
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Also check with wp factory service I know you can get a set of cv forks off there factory bikes that have been refurbished for 2000
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
If the ohlins RFX forks are off a 2015 Husky, do I need different fork guards and axel for 15 250FE? Any idea how they compair...
If the ohlins RFX forks are off a 2015 Husky, do I need different fork guards and axel for 15 250FE?

Any idea how they compair to the cone valves. I have ridden CV's. It's a tough call if you add up $2100(for forks and shipping) +$125 for springs. For $700 more I could get the CVs from Billy to my door.

Is that $700 more worth it?
The fork guards are the same between the Husky and KTM as far as I know. The same should be true of the axle. Being that the forks are off of a 2015, the geometry stays the same between the bikes as well.

Unfortunately with my leg this year, I'm not full of the best feedback between them. I will share some thoughts from both Digger and Rocketsocks who had Ohlins and went to CV forks from Billy. Both of those guys are completely pumped on the CV and there is no regret wishing they stayed on Ohlins (with or without huck valves). The plushness and bottoming resistance of the CV is phenomenal. I know a couple other guys that have CV as well to replace the 4CS and not a single regret.

That being said, if money were no object I think the workmanship of the CV fork is slightly better. It's a little stiffer in the tubes by design, and the machining is fantastic. The Ohlins forks are super high quality as well, but utilize more casting rather than machined finish parts.

Both products have a great resale market and both should carry over to another KTM if you get one. You stand to make a couple hundred in the end on Ohlins or lose a couple hundred on the CV. Losing a couple hundred is well worth it to me to ride the pinnacle of suspension available for my bike. In fact, I keep toying w the idea of the Traxx shock since in the end I lose less than a revalve setup and go to ride the best stuff. And because I want to round out the package with a shock as good as the forks.

I don't think there is a wrong answer in this case...except keeping the 4CS fork and fighting with it to try to make it work. That I wouldn't do. Put them in a box until it's time to sell the bike.

Wish I could help make the decision easier for you, but I probably complicated it a bit.

Shane
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CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
Thanks guys, great advice! I'll letuou know what goes down!
You also want to be sure on your axle sizing. 2015 and 2016 models reduced in diameter from 24mm to 22mm. That is correct, REDUCED to add flex and feel and bring it closer to the fork thus increasing trail.
2strokerider 8/27/2015 3:29am
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just booked on a Husqvarna test day in a couple of weeks, to try the 16 350 and 450. Hopefully will get more idea of the 4cs forks then. Trouble is, stock they will be a bit undersprung for me (im 6ft 2 and 215 ibs) - need to try my mates 16 ktm 350 to see what the new airforks are like on that, then its decision time

other than the forks, there is very little difference between the 2 bikes on paper, so will just get whatever feels the best to ride. Or if I hate both forks, then get a 16 450 yam

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Markee 8/27/2015 5:04am
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Tonynz wrote:
Having ridden my 16 350 SXF, for 2 hours so far, I find the forks are working well. I have come off a 300sx, that had...
Having ridden my 16 350 SXF, for 2 hours so far, I find the forks are working well.
I have come off a 300sx, that had Ohlins shock and forks.
What kind of weight difference can you feel? I looked at a 350 yesterday (have not seen the new bikes in person), what a sexy bike.
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The 4CS forks are the reason I bought a Kawasaki instead of a KTM this year.
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mx317 wrote:
The 4CS forks are the reason I bought a Kawasaki instead of a KTM this year.
I bought a Yamaha this year for the same reason. Hate my 250sx forks
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Ok Shane, you convinced me! Cone valve forks here i come. And boy am I excited! Got a couple phone calls to make . . .

Shut up and take my money! Lol
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mx317 wrote:
The 4CS forks are the reason I bought a Kawasaki instead of a KTM this year.
Same here, maybe next year if it gets the air forks. I still cant belive they came out with that all new bike and put that junk on the front of it.
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KTMShane699 8/27/2015 6:32am
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Thelen20 wrote:
Ok Shane, you convinced me! Cone valve forks here i come. And boy am I excited! Got a couple phone calls to make . ....
Ok Shane, you convinced me! Cone valve forks here i come. And boy am I excited! Got a couple phone calls to make . . .

Shut up and take my money! Lol
Enjoy them! And please share your thoughts on them with us. The whole topic of cone valve forks (or any kit fork) is polarizing here it seems.

Make a few calls, but I think your best price will be Powerband. At least that's what we all found when we got them.

Shane
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Deal Brothers Trailers wrote:
My good friend Fletcher is a solid vet A..really AA woods rider with lots of MotoX experience as well. He is running bone stock 4cs on...
My good friend Fletcher is a solid vet A..really AA woods rider with lots of MotoX experience as well.
He is running bone stock 4cs on his new Husky 350 and swears its one of the best out of the box setups ever.
A lot of people are mental loons. If MXA, and a few other publications said good things about the forks, then you'd all be raving about them.
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Project 2501 8/27/2015 7:02am
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Kreft does good stuff with them.

[url]http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a851b07e56e4782f0bb6207f2&id=c9c356…]

Philip Glazatov, a motocross rider from Michigan, was one of the first riders to try the new 4CS Performance Conversion fork. He also happens to own both a 2015 Husqvarna TC250 and a 2015 Yamaha YZ450F. In a back-to-back comparison of the two bikes, Philip gave the advantage to the Kreft-equipped Husqvarna over the highly regarded KYB SSS-equipped Yamaha.


bartziokas123 8/27/2015 7:19am
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Titan1 wrote:
People seem to find that the Husky 4cs forks can be made to work well in stock form...but the KTM 4cs (on the XC line) is...
People seem to find that the Husky 4cs forks can be made to work well in stock form...but the KTM 4cs (on the XC line) is a drastically different story.
On my 2015 ktm 300xc I had the pre load springs swapped with the ones that come with a Husk, my turner had to do some fabrications with a lathe to make it fit because they aren't interchangeable. The fork is so much better with square edge hits. Still not perfect but much better.
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Titan1 8/27/2015 7:26am
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Project 2501 wrote:
Kreft does good stuff with them. [url]http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a851b07e56e4782f0bb6207f2&id=c9c356cd2b&e=[UNIQID][/url] [quote]Philip Glazatov, a motocross rider from Michigan, was one of the first riders to try the new 4CS Performance...
Kreft does good stuff with them.

[url]http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a851b07e56e4782f0bb6207f2&id=c9c356…]

Philip Glazatov, a motocross rider from Michigan, was one of the first riders to try the new 4CS Performance Conversion fork. He also happens to own both a 2015 Husqvarna TC250 and a 2015 Yamaha YZ450F. In a back-to-back comparison of the two bikes, Philip gave the advantage to the Kreft-equipped Husqvarna over the highly regarded KYB SSS-equipped Yamaha.


Everyone on KTMtalk RAVES about Kreft. It's expensive, but they seem to have it figured out.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 8/27/2015 7:45am
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Thanks guys, great advice! I'll letuou know what goes down!
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You also want to be sure on your axle sizing. 2015 and 2016 models reduced in diameter from 24mm to 22mm. That is correct, REDUCED to...
You also want to be sure on your axle sizing. 2015 and 2016 models reduced in diameter from 24mm to 22mm. That is correct, REDUCED to add flex and feel and bring it closer to the fork thus increasing trail.
Yeah that's what I thought. I would need to get a new axel and wheel spacers...

Those of you who have CVs on the new factory edition, are the forks coming set up for the new smaller Axel?
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Tim507 8/27/2015 8:09am
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Project 2501 wrote:
Kreft does good stuff with them. [url]http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a851b07e56e4782f0bb6207f2&id=c9c356cd2b&e=[UNIQID][/url] [quote]Philip Glazatov, a motocross rider from Michigan, was one of the first riders to try the new 4CS Performance...
Kreft does good stuff with them.

[url]http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a851b07e56e4782f0bb6207f2&id=c9c356…]

Philip Glazatov, a motocross rider from Michigan, was one of the first riders to try the new 4CS Performance Conversion fork. He also happens to own both a 2015 Husqvarna TC250 and a 2015 Yamaha YZ450F. In a back-to-back comparison of the two bikes, Philip gave the advantage to the Kreft-equipped Husqvarna over the highly regarded KYB SSS-equipped Yamaha.


Titan1 wrote:
Everyone on KTMtalk RAVES about Kreft. It's expensive, but they seem to have it figured out.
A buddy here in Oregon did the Kreft Mod and says the mod is the best!!!

I have my 4cs sitting in the corner, however I'm happy with my CV stuff

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