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If a guy doesnt qualifiy for the nationals what happens. He goes home. If a female does not qualify for a national what happens. They create a new series for them. (it is like a bad version of disney's motocrossed). Motocross does not discriminate based upon gender. Women have fought long and hard to enjoy the same things as men. IF a woman wants to wrestle on a guys team, done, if a woman wants to play football she can thrown on the pads, but is seems as though the people who want to create separate series for these women are the ones who actually undermine the legitimacy of their efforts. That is what I am saying. I know it is easier to insult me than to understand something.
and you wish I would die hmm. If I were a woman would you wish me to die, I think not. You are the one who is biased.
I know the women are getting faster (I have seen them ride, I have seen some of their videos posted online too), but we dont create another league of racing for the guys who cannot make a national why should motocross separate by sex. that is what I liked about motocross. You show up you race, either you win or you dont, either you qualify or you dont. I used to like the fact that motocross did not favor men or women, but a separated series does just that.
I will not respond to anymore people who are not staying on topic. I am not talking about the progression in the WMA I am not concerned about how far they have come. that is not the point. I am just saying it is not as exciting. It is a preference that is supported by the laptimes as well. So say what you will, but my opinion remains until the WMA riders qualify for motocross nationals.
The Shop
Maybe you and 336 can go make your own forum of useless topics!
What class do you race????? Open Novice??? Vet Novice???
I am in fact more of a feminist than all of the rest of you.
and half of that mens pro class in colorado places where at an AMA national. That is what I thought.
What does being PC has to do with the fact that women riders are slower than males? Do you live in a part of the country where they still think that women get jobs and work because it is quote-unquote: PC???
The fact that some people want to get more recognition, more exposure, more money to women mx is just a choice, nothing to do with being PC.
What do you mean "no one wants to hear that women are slower"??? LMAO!! There is no question and no debate about this. Women are slower. In pro soccer, pro basketball, tracks and fields, softball, etc, etc, males and females are separate, be it amateur or pro. Why? For some prejudiced reasons I believe that you're on the wrong track as far as PC or not PC.
I am all for more exposure to women MX and I wish, like all WMA riders, that the AMA would have given them more than 15 minutes motos, I wish they raced after the opening ceremonies, not before, I wish pro women would stick to pro races (not going back mixing with the amateurs and taking top spots from them with a much better equipment and being paid for it).
Exciting racing... so it's all about whips and jumping doubles... what about corner speed, sweet lines, bar to bar, being wide open until the checkered flag, what about racing, just fun, cool, simple racing.
There's no need to be PC or not, to appreciate WMA racing, or even the LL women motos, if you like MX and racing, you will appreciate women racing.
If it's all about being "PC" and making it all political then, not sure this is the place to debate. I guess we can take it all to another forum and talk about women's presence and place in society.
Your above comments are so shallow and generalizing, you don't even give name, place, etc. I have a friend female rider (who finished 5th at LL yesterday) and who smokes most A guys in our region, so there's always a counter-example to things.
Since you seem to be so fixated on the women and whips thing..... Here ya go.
One of the best races I've every seen was the gals 3rd moto @ LL's in '06. I believe you can find highlights? Look it up.
I too have been passed on the pratice track by a couple of them. Once by Ashley just before she got off 85's. Man that gal can corner! By the way, no whips occured during the moto.
Also, I never knew that throwing sick whips was the criteria for being a good racer.
But, you're a chick
So, it sucked
Pit Row
If you read the original post that started all of this it mentioned a certain rider - THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT JESSICA PATTERSON DESERVES A LOT MORE RESPECT THAT SHE GETS.
Maybe that is why some of us that DO READ were commenting on some of the girls we have met.
Lets break down your FIRST comments… the original insane statements you spouted off
I HAVE TO SAY THE WOMEN RACE ON TRACK SO SMOOTH AND GROOMED IT IS RIDICULOUS -
You are wrong!
COMMENT ABOUT THEM BEING AS FAST AS THE GUYS IN THE LITES CONSOLATION,
You are wrong!
SAYING THEY ARE GETTING THE ATTENTION THEY DESERVE IS A BIT OF A STRETCH
You are wrong! Just because they are not as fast as JS they don’t deserve the attention of the fans that enjoy their competitiveness? So, the guys that race in the Lites Quals deserve no attention? Therefore, since you are well outside even that pack… you deserve no attention?
I HAVE NOT SEEN TO MANY FINISH LINE WHIPS FROM ONE OF THEM JUST LIKE DUNKING IN THE WNBA
Show all of us the number of finish line whips from the Nationals thus far? Post them, please! I personally don’t go to a race to watch the finish line whip and from most of the comments on here neither do many others. We actually go to watch the action that takes place between the drop of the gate and that “whip” you keep coming back to.
So, read your statement above. You find them in good taste and honoring the spirt of competitive women, especially since you call yourself a feminist!
Let's look at a couple more shall we!
IT IS ABOUT GENERATING EXCITEMENT WHEN THEY ARE ON THE TRACK AND FRANKLY IT IS RATHER BORING.
Generating excitement? That is why “someone” was caught talking about racing for 10th! What an evil statement… banish that person! You are an idiot if you did not think the race for 7th during Moto 2 at Glen Helen was not exciting, either that or you don’t understand racing. Exactly what is your opinion of excitement? JS racing around by himself… ohh yaaa… God… that just makes my toes tingle! This is not my opinion. Ever watch WORLD Superbike or MOTOGP on TV? Amazing how they follow the race for 4th or 5th or 8th because the leaders are well in front and separated by good time spacing. Thus, if shown to us the “viewing audience” would be watching some guy ride around the track by himself. That usually is not why most of us watch nor would that be the definition of racing excitement.
If you separate a group of people from another then talk about how awesome they are compared to them you are commiting a paradox
And… have you checked your definition of Paradox lately? The fact that many women ride as fast or faster then men is not a paradox just because you call them women? Saying that my daughter beats many boys is not paradoxical just because she is a girl and we say how good she is doing “as a girl.” Where is that a contradiction to common sense? How is that an argument that concludes with self-contradictory conclusions? She is fast. She is a girl. She beat many boys. Not a single contradictory statement or conclusion. It is not contradictory to compare Tarah Geiger to say Jake Weimer and say that #68 is nearly as fast as #30 and to compliment Tarah on a job well done and to "give her the attention she deserves." Is it?
Are you one of those people that like to use big words that you really don’t know the definition? The “intellectual” people in our culture sometimes never cease to amaze.
One last thing…
SO SAY WHAT YOU WILL, BUT MY OPINION REMAINS UNTIL THE WMA RIDERS QUALIFY FOR MOTOCROSS NATIONALS.
Are you really saying that women don’t deserve the attention they are getting (your words read above) and that the racing is not exciting (your words again) unless they are able to qualify for an AMA MX National?
Let’s stay on point now, as you have pointed out so eloquently.
Mercedes has ridden so little Motocross in the last few years, I would hardly think she even signed up to race the intermediate class.
But Props to the kid for beating a woman nearly 50 years old...
Where's your father ?
Could he beat her ?
Doubt it
I still want to know your name, and what race it was...huh ?
I did a search for Mercedes Gonzalez. Unless the system is wrong,
Mercedes Gonzalez, has not been entered in a race at Glen Helen, in the last three years.
Did I hear, liar?
Look dude, I really don't want you to die.
This is Motodrive. Or Vital or whatever it is these days.
We don't play soft ball here so grow up a bit.
The REALLY long posts you are making are making matters worse.
We really don't need to know all of your deepest and darkest feelings here.
Grow a sac and if any post that you are making is longer than a paragraph, then you have probably said too much. Food for thought there.
Take care,
Rimmy
You missed the point again. My point was that if I were a woman you would not have even used the liver thing. I am not thinned skinned, I am only dishearted when morons read posts and do not respond to the contents of the post. It is like mototalk is a digital playground for adults with ADHD. and they are not deep and dark feelings, I made observations others have made but didnt have the SAC to say it.
I have mentioned I do not care about your local tracks where a girl beats a ton of slow A riders. My point is that many riders need help and exposure and that exposure should go to the fastest, hardest charing riders, who do not make a MX national and those are not the women. It is good they are getting exposure I am just tired of hearing how they are just so fast yet instead of being politically correct and over inflating their speed all of you should instead be giving more accolades to the timing and receptability of the public and riding community to the women.
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