Vintage mx bike shopping

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8/28/2019 11:18 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/28/2019 11:18 AM

Considering going to the barber motorsports vintage days in Oct and looking for a old mx bike to race down there. I know nothing about the old bikes, right before I was born my dad had a 490 maico and I've heard about how bad ass that bike was since I was a kid. I'm sure those aren't cheap in running condition. I'm kind of gravitating towards the late 70's model RM's 250/370. Maybe even a PE250. Just needing suggestions.

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8/28/2019 12:10 PM

Is this for racing or just collecting?

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8/28/2019 12:21 PM

Sam,

Take a look here Marks Vintage

You can also check out Vintage dirt bike buy & sell on Facebook.

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00' BMW K1200 RS
83' Maico 490 ( The Project bike)
81' Maico 490- FOR SALE
03' KTM 525 SX (In ICU)
14.5 KTM 450 Fe- FOR SALE

8/28/2019 12:21 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/28/2019 12:23 PM

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8/28/2019 12:37 PM

Dirty Points wrote:

Is this for racing or just collecting?

racing

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8/28/2019 12:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/28/2019 12:49 PM

Well, I'd stay away from any PE, or Enduro type models. Long ratio transmissions aren't ideal for tight motocross type tracks. And if you're anything over 225lbs, you're probably going to want something more than a 250cc as the old air cooled bikes just don't put out the HP like a modern water cooled 250cc does.

Another thing to consider is what class you plan to race, if it's say a 76-82 class, you'll want to find something that is closer to 82, as most times the suspension and brakes were improved significantly each year or two, like a 1980 YZ465 verus the 1981 YZ465. The 1981 came with a "dual leading" front brake set up. Not that you couldn't slap a 1981 front wheels and backing plate on a 1980, but part swapping can get expensive too.

That's not to say that if you bought a '76, you couldn't beat someone on an '82, as just like modern mx racing, a lot of it boils down to talent.

Do your research, and ask questions before you just shell out your hard earned money for some odd ball roach that has new plastics and a heavy coat of Maxima SC-1 on it!

Good luck!

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Do It In The Dirt!

8/28/2019 1:00 PM

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8/28/2019 1:33 PM

My 81 rm 250 rips, super fun, easy to work on and is stock other than race tech emulators.. I bought it for $400..šŸ‘ŒšŸ»šŸ‘ŒšŸ»šŸ‘ŒšŸ» Anyway you go the vintage class and race weekends are almost funner than the normal race weekends..

Ps if you want to race a certain class in vintage look up the rules about year, suspension travel, blah blah

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8/28/2019 8:02 PM

I'm thinking the only dirt racing at Barber is cross country, no mx racing.

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8/28/2019 9:57 PM

Iā€™m looking for a 125 or 250 kx. 1974-1976

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8/28/2019 10:40 PM

Zeke27G wrote:

Well, I'd stay away from any PE, or Enduro type models. Long ratio transmissions aren't ideal for tight motocross type tracks. ...more

Zeke, the 1980 YZ 465 had the dual shoe system on it as well. I raced one back in 1980, while I was in the AF. Yep, I'm old.

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8/29/2019 4:06 AM

Vincent Black Lighting 1952

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8/29/2019 5:45 AM

The beauty of vintage is that there is a bracket for everything. Find a bike that means something to you... something you had and loved, something your hero rode, something you always wanted, etc. These old bikes are a labor of love - so expect to spend a fair amount of time maintaining them and doing research to fix the common issues for each model.

In my observation, the Maicos are definitely the high end brand, and the ones I have seen are things of beauty. The Japanese bikes are more common and you can still find them used and abused and ready for restoration. I grew up in the 80s so for me the 80s and 90s bikes are the sweet spot. I did a season on a 1976 RM 125 and was relieved that I made it through without destroying that poor old bike!

Big kudos to AHRMA BTW for finally embracing classes for the late 80s and newer machines!

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8/29/2019 6:22 AM

If you're interested in racing the cross country event, I've got a well sorted 1979 KTM 250 GS that I was about to list on eBay... I'm located just outside of Charlotte

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8/29/2019 10:43 AM

Yes guys I was interested in the cross country race, just wanting an old mx bike to do it. Back in those days was there that much difference between a woods bike and enduro?

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8/29/2019 10:43 AM

Moto Obsessed wrote:

If you're interested in racing the cross country event, I've got a well sorted 1979 KTM 250 GS that I was about to list on ...more

Nice bike but probably outside what I'm willing to spend on something I might ride twice a year.

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8/30/2019 6:24 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/30/2019 6:55 AM

Zeke27G wrote:

Well, I'd stay away from any PE, or Enduro type models. Long ratio transmissions aren't ideal for tight motocross type tracks. ...more

Cancerman wrote:

Zeke, the 1980 YZ 465 had the dual shoe system on it as well. I raced one back in 1980, while I was in the AF. Yep, I'm old.

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You're right, but that apparent bad info was passed onto me years ago and I've definitely seen a few 1980 YZ465's that didn't have the dual leading backing plate. Could this have been something were a portion of the YZ465's that were released in late 1979? may have came without them?

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Do It In The Dirt!

8/30/2019 6:47 AM

Moto Obsessed wrote:

If you're interested in racing the cross country event, I've got a well sorted 1979 KTM 250 GS that I was about to list on ...more

sam hain wrote:

Nice bike but probably outside what I'm willing to spend on something I might ride twice a year.


At one time I too thought I could get into racing vintage without spending much money. I bought a 1974 Yamaha MX360 that was running for $500, but it continued to be a money pit from the day I took it home til the day I sold it. After several races, there was so much that needed to be sorted out. These are just some of the things that were sorted out and/or purchased along the way: Fork springs and new rear shocks, multiple trans rebuilds, countless top ends, Webco head, Pro-Fab swing arm, new carb, new electronic ignition, wheel rebuilds, brake shoes, gearing, seat foam, seat cover, plastics, etc etc. I must have spent well over $3500 on that $500 Yamaha, but at some point you just stop counting and just know that you've built something that can finish races..most of the time! I eventually cracked the frame and sold it to a friend for $1500 with a spare frame that he would have to transfer everything over to and I chalked it up as an experience.

Moral of the story, buy someone else's "race ready" loss before you end up with a $500 nightmare!

Good luck!
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Do It In The Dirt!

8/30/2019 7:18 AM

Is there a common place for vintage bike sales or does everyone just search all available resources, craigslist, let go, offer up, cycletrader?

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8/30/2019 7:32 AM

brocster wrote:

Is there a common place for vintage bike sales or does everyone just search all available resources, craigslist, let go, offer ...more

Mark's vintage swapmeet.

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8/30/2019 5:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/30/2019 5:30 PM

A friend of mine ships bikes to Aus from the USA in containers.I have a mint condition 1984 RM 250 in his latest container. Arrives October the 1st.
I'll be racing it in our Viper series.

He also has an 83 model CR60 in the same container. I wanted that so bad.

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8/30/2019 7:59 PM

Drop-Bear wrote:

A friend of mine ships bikes to Aus from the USA in containers.I have a mint condition 1984 RM 250 in his latest container. ...more

Does your mate have a website / facebook page to show stock etc.

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9/1/2019 3:04 AM

Moto Obsessed wrote:

If you're interested in racing the cross country event, I've got a well sorted 1979 KTM 250 GS that I was about to list on ...more

sam hain wrote:

Nice bike but probably outside what I'm willing to spend on something I might ride twice a year.

I would suggest trying to rent or borrow a bike. Surely someone you know has one or three or thirty-three.

You are interested in a sport that can be reasonable to stupidly expensive. There are still "vintage" bikes around for

a few hundred that run. But and its a big but, they are(probably) going to need freshening of some sort. Tires, chains,

engine seals, carb cleaning and all that. Now, you could buy "barn find" and go racing....but you don't want to dnf.

The point is- vintage racing can be "cheap" but usually isn't. It used to be. Ask around your riding friends, someone

has a few bikes. Offer to rent one, buy a new chain whatever. See if you like the vintage scene. Around here, you can

buy old "modern" bikes for less than most anything "vintage". Plentiful parts and reliable. I'm getting back into racing

with a local vintage club here after a 10 year hiatus. Our club allows up to 2008. I have a 2008 yz250 ready to go.

If you are on a budget, I'd avoid "vintage" racing.

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9/1/2019 3:24 AM

mark_swart wrote:

The beauty of vintage is that there is a bracket for everything. Find a bike that means something to you... something you had ...more

I agree with everything you stated. But you didn't mention cost. He is unwilling(seems) to spend much. And yes,

that can mean different things to different folks. Example: there was a 1982 rm250 here locally without a price.

I messaged him-$2500. It was clean and nice. I passed. Another: 1979 250 Maico Magnum: $3500.

Extreme examples? I did call on a 1982 cr480 locally-$500. It looked like it had been sitting in an open field since 1982

with the cylinder off. I passed.

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9/1/2019 7:07 AM

brocster wrote:

Is there a common place for vintage bike sales or does everyone just search all available resources, craigslist, let go, offer ...more

I also check www.bikefinds.com and click "Motocross", then "See every motocross bike for sale" then I sort by year. It's not all-encompassing, but one more place to window shop !

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Motocross....a once in a lifetime experience....every weekend.

9/1/2019 7:16 AM

Drop-Bear wrote:

A friend of mine ships bikes to Aus from the USA in containers.I have a mint condition 1984 RM 250 in his latest container. ...more

Lowlander wrote:

Does your mate have a website / facebook page to show stock etc.

No. He's in Aus anyway. Just sells them on Gum Tree, or something like that.

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