VP T2...can you add oil to make it 32:1?

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Would it be a problem to add a little synthetic oil to VP T2 to make it 32:1 instead of 40:1? Assuming it will be used shortly after it's mixed and does not sit for an extended period of time.

Just wondering if it would be an issues to mix oil, such as Red Line Synthetic if wanted to get to 32:1
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eric513anderson 3/16/2020 12:47pm
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Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
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TeamGreen 3/16/2020 12:49pm
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eric513anderson wrote:
Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
Boom!

But, I'd just run the 40:1.

FTR, I've been cutting it down to 50:1 with VPR for modern 2Ts (KTM/Husky).
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Goofy Foot 3/16/2020 1:04pm
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eric513anderson wrote:
Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
Does VPR have the same shelf life as T2? I've been told T2 can sit in the shop for a couple years before going bad..
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Goofy Foot 3/16/2020 1:06pm
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eric513anderson wrote:
Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
TeamGreen wrote:
Boom!

But, I'd just run the 40:1.

FTR, I've been cutting it down to 50:1 with VPR for modern 2Ts (KTM/Husky).
Understood, but this some old 80's 125cc bikes and we want to run 32:1 for some testing. We normally run 40:1 T2.
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What kind of oil is used in the T2 mix?
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Goofy Foot 3/16/2020 1:22pm
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Camp332 wrote:
What kind of oil is used in the T2 mix?
Not sure, maybe someone knows but here's the description:

Product Description

Designed for today’s modern stock or modified 2-stroke engines, T2 is pre-mixed at a 40:1 ratio with a top quality JASO FD-rated, certified premium synthetic oil that, combined with the other fuel components, offers optimum performance. Because it contains no ethanol, T2 prevents repairs needed for ethanol-related problems. This increases the time between rebuilds, extends the life of your engine, and lowers your long-term costs, all while making more power over pump gas.
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Pretty sure it’s maxima that they use.
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eric513anderson wrote:
Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
Goofy Foot wrote:
Does VPR have the same shelf life as T2? I've been told T2 can sit in the shop for a couple years before going bad..
Only if you don't open it. Once its opened you have a few months at best.
eric513anderson 3/16/2020 3:44pm
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eric513anderson wrote:
Just buy VPR and add your own oil at your own ratio. It’s the same fuel minus the premix
Goofy Foot wrote:
Does VPR have the same shelf life as T2? I've been told T2 can sit in the shop for a couple years before going bad..
I’ve always heard as long as it’s sealed in a unopened pail it’s still good
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Rick Amatuzio 3/17/2020 4:11am
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Rick Amatuzio wrote:
Be a man, go 16:1.
Goofy Foot wrote:
Be a man? 20:1 is what the factories used to recommend and there are plenty who will argue more oil is better if tuned properly:

https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/738057-501-vs-321-making-power/
It’s called tongue in cheek. I mix 100:1, always have. 32:1 is ridiculously and why the EPA and environmental wackos hate two strokes
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I'm 54 and been mixing gas since 1978. Always 50:1 and 90% of the time Bel-Ray. Never had a problem. Why someone would want to mix at 20 or 32:1 is beyond me.
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I am almost 100% sure I remember my Honda’s from the 80s calling for 20:1... I always ran 32:1 and then moved to 40:1 in my 250s. I am currently running Motorex At 40:1 in my 2006 KX250 and it works great, piston looks good after about 25-30 hours, still a chamfer on the rings and the PV looks nearly spotless!
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Goofy Foot 3/17/2020 3:53pm
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bvm111 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure I remember my Honda’s from the 80s calling for 20:1... I always ran 32:1 and then moved to 40:1 in my...
I am almost 100% sure I remember my Honda’s from the 80s calling for 20:1... I always ran 32:1 and then moved to 40:1 in my 250s. I am currently running Motorex At 40:1 in my 2006 KX250 and it works great, piston looks good after about 25-30 hours, still a chamfer on the rings and the PV looks nearly spotless!
Yes you are correct, 80's Hondas called for 20:1 and there's nothing wrong with it as long as your bike is jetted properly. 40:1 is most popular these days but there's absolutely nothing wrong with 32:1.

I've seen the dyno numbers from the more oil more power guys and the ideal mix for max power was somewhere down around 20:1.
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408Jeepster 3/17/2020 5:57pm
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I’ve been mixing T2 with C12 and maxima 927 at 40:1 without issue. Did it out of desperation when no one had T2 one weekend and found out the 125 LOVED it.
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Rick Amatuzio 3/17/2020 7:58pm
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bvm111 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure I remember my Honda’s from the 80s calling for 20:1... I always ran 32:1 and then moved to 40:1 in my...
I am almost 100% sure I remember my Honda’s from the 80s calling for 20:1... I always ran 32:1 and then moved to 40:1 in my 250s. I am currently running Motorex At 40:1 in my 2006 KX250 and it works great, piston looks good after about 25-30 hours, still a chamfer on the rings and the PV looks nearly spotless!
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Yes you are correct, 80's Hondas called for 20:1 and there's nothing wrong with it as long as your bike is jetted properly. 40:1 is most...
Yes you are correct, 80's Hondas called for 20:1 and there's nothing wrong with it as long as your bike is jetted properly. 40:1 is most popular these days but there's absolutely nothing wrong with 32:1.

I've seen the dyno numbers from the more oil more power guys and the ideal mix for max power was somewhere down around 20:1.
Let’s see them. Most people don’t realize adding a bunch of oil changes the jetting, and of course we all know lean is mean.
16:1 and 20:1 were established in the 60s when they used motor oil. Two stroke oil is a different animal.. anyway, don’t put too much stock in dyno tests. We did them for years and years and years and it becomes frustrating watching numbers change from 8am to noon. Rain to sun. Humid to dry. Literally, it’s constant variable change.

I said it before, you would be shocked how little oil you really need, and most failures are not oil related unless you forget to add it which happens more than you think.

It makes me EXTREMELY happy that you guys still debate two stroke stuff, I love these threads and value everyone’s opinions. That kx450 2019 thread sucks ass.. 80’s Honda’s, 20:1.. what an awesome visual. I think of Johnny Omara and Dave Arnold instantly
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bpaderta 3/17/2020 8:18pm
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call vp tech support, they will be able to answer all your questions
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408Jeepster wrote:
I’ve been mixing T2 with C12 and maxima 927 at 40:1 without issue. Did it out of desperation when no one had T2 one weekend and...
I’ve been mixing T2 with C12 and maxima 927 at 40:1 without issue. Did it out of desperation when no one had T2 one weekend and found out the 125 LOVED it.
be careful with 927 and race gas in cold temps there is a warning on the bottle about separation.
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RCF 3/21/2020 3:24pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/21/412015/s1200_2987D794_08B1_4039_9D1B_7C4F6C8BBBD3.jpg[/img]
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050.


Have you tried this oil yet? Seems that Tucker drop their Bellray and switch to this. I was wondering if the stuff was any good.
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TeamGreen 3/22/2020 11:39am
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TeamGreen wrote:
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/21/412015/s1200_2987D794_08B1_4039_9D1B_7C4F6C8BBBD3.jpg[/img]
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050.


RCF wrote:
Have you tried this oil yet? Seems that Tucker drop their Bellray and switch to this. I was wondering if the stuff was any good.
Haven’t tried it yet (they’re getting me a few bottles). I know they’d had it developed due to a few shortcomings they were finding with oils they were testing. They had concerns about shelf-life, water AND air-cooled engine performance and...how long it lasted in their fuel.
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TeamGreen wrote:
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/03/21/412015/s1200_2987D794_08B1_4039_9D1B_7C4F6C8BBBD3.jpg[/img]
The oil in T2 is VP X2 1050.


RCF wrote:
Have you tried this oil yet? Seems that Tucker drop their Bellray and switch to this. I was wondering if the stuff was any good.
TeamGreen wrote:
Haven’t tried it yet (they’re getting me a few bottles). I know they’d had it developed due to a few shortcomings they were finding with oils...
Haven’t tried it yet (they’re getting me a few bottles). I know they’d had it developed due to a few shortcomings they were finding with oils they were testing. They had concerns about shelf-life, water AND air-cooled engine performance and...how long it lasted in their fuel.
Let us know how you like it.
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TeamGreen 3/25/2020 11:51am
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RCF wrote:
Have you tried this oil yet? Seems that Tucker drop their Bellray and switch to this. I was wondering if the stuff was any good.
TeamGreen wrote:
Haven’t tried it yet (they’re getting me a few bottles). I know they’d had it developed due to a few shortcomings they were finding with oils...
Haven’t tried it yet (they’re getting me a few bottles). I know they’d had it developed due to a few shortcomings they were finding with oils they were testing. They had concerns about shelf-life, water AND air-cooled engine performance and...how long it lasted in their fuel.
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Let us know how you like it.
Will do...tho, my ability to pick-up a current smoker for fuel testing has been slightly delayed! Laughing
queen of spodes 7/28/2020 8:05am
7/28/2020 8:05am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2020 9:41am
Camp332 wrote:
What kind of oil is used in the T2 mix?
VP confirmed today that the flash point of their T2 oil is 194° F. For comparison, Amsoil Dominator has a flash point of 215° F.


List of common premix oils and flash points:

VP T2 premixed oil - 194 F

Amsoil Interceptor - 183 F

Amsoil Dominator- 194 F

Amsoil Saber Pro - 237 F

Maxima Formula K2 - 240 F

Maxima Super M - 280 F

Maxima Super M Injector - 220 F

Maxima Castor 927 - 420 F

Maxima Bio 2T - 180 F

Motul 710 - 190 F

Motul 800 - 485 F

Motul Bio 2T - 255 F

Motorex Cross Power 2T - 230 F

Lucas Semi Synthetic - 182 F

Bel Ray SL2 - 186 F

Bel Ray H1R - 435 F

Bel Ray MC1 - 208 F

Bel Ray Si7 - 194 F

Castrol Power RS- 163 F

Castrol 2T - 194 F

Red Line Two-Stroke Racing Oil - 221 °F
queen of spodes 7/28/2020 8:21am
7/28/2020 8:21am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2020 8:22am
Camp332 wrote:
What kind of oil is used in the T2 mix?
The answers above are incorrect.

VP's technician informed me this morning when I asked if their T2 oil was Maxima (MXA said this a few years ago) or X2 1050:

"It’s neither of those oils...it’s a custom blend that our oil manufacturer makes for us."


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Which one makes the bike run leaner? 32:1 or 50:1
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Which one makes the bike run leaner? 32:1 or 50:1
32:1 since there is more oil in the mix. More oil means less premixed fuel can pass through a small orifice (carb jets), therefore 32:1 is leaner than 50:1.

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