Triple jumps (safety discussion)

logan_140
Profile picture for user logan_140
Posts
3724
Joined
6/9/2014
Location
Lakeland, FL US
logan_140
Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 11:34pm
There has to be something that can be done, first of all there shouldn’t be a triple until the riders get some sort of separation...
|
MXD
Profile picture for user MXD
Posts
2650
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
MA US
MXD 2/18/2018 4:53am
2/18/2018 4:53am
Maybe a first lap double only rule? At the very least they should be closer to the end of the lap.
MXD
Profile picture for user MXD
Posts
2650
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
MA US
MXD 2/18/2018 4:54am
2/18/2018 4:54am
And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?
Motofinne
Profile picture for user Motofinne
Posts
10686
Joined
1/4/2014
Location
FI
Motofinne 2/18/2018 5:00am
2/18/2018 5:00am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 5:01am
There was a thread about this earlier this week.

Just remove 2 tuff blocks on the ground so a rider that can't make the triple has a safe route out of the obstacle and isn't forced to do the single.
logan_140
Profile picture for user logan_140
Posts
3724
Joined
6/9/2014
Location
Lakeland, FL US
logan_140 2/18/2018 5:07am
2/18/2018 5:07am
Motofinne wrote:
There was a thread about this earlier this week. Just remove 2 tuff blocks on the ground so a rider that can't make the triple has...
There was a thread about this earlier this week.

Just remove 2 tuff blocks on the ground so a rider that can't make the triple has a safe route out of the obstacle and isn't forced to do the single.
I️ agree with that, however there shouldn’t be a triple when riders are all bunched up. In barcias case he could have got off the track but didn’t.

The Shop

See All »
logan_140
Profile picture for user logan_140
Posts
3724
Joined
6/9/2014
Location
Lakeland, FL US
logan_140 2/18/2018 5:08am
2/18/2018 5:08am
MXD wrote:
And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?
That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?
ledger
Profile picture for user ledger
Posts
3673
Joined
1/17/2013
Location
TN US
ledger 2/18/2018 5:16am
2/18/2018 5:16am
MXD wrote:
Maybe a first lap double only rule? At the very least they should be closer to the end of the lap.
That was my thought also, but it would probably be like the Joker Lane at Vegas, I won't mention the past champ's that forgot to take that section.... Whistling
hillbilly
Profile picture for user hillbilly
Posts
9080
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Afton, TN US
hillbilly 2/18/2018 5:16am
2/18/2018 5:16am
eliminate .make a table top using a bridge to save dirt.

Design to be light and able to be broken down and hauled with tour
MXD
Profile picture for user MXD
Posts
2650
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
MA US
MXD 2/18/2018 5:20am
2/18/2018 5:20am
hillbilly wrote:
eliminate .make a table top using a bridge to save dirt.

Design to be light and able to be broken down and hauled with tour
But that takes away the time penalty of having to roll or double it later in the race after a nice block pass. If we do that, those moves that force a rider to check up for position would be taken out of the equation.
MXD
Profile picture for user MXD
Posts
2650
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
MA US
MXD 2/18/2018 5:21am
2/18/2018 5:21am
MXD wrote:
And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?
logan_140 wrote:
That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?
I haven't seen any footage of it.
Ramrod
Profile picture for user Ramrod
Posts
4733
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Ontario CA
Fantasy
1751st
Ramrod 2/18/2018 5:24am
2/18/2018 5:24am
MXD wrote:
And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?
logan_140 wrote:
That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?
This was the biggest safety miscalculation that was on the track last night.

rongi#401
Profile picture for user rongi#401
Posts
1636
Joined
6/20/2016
Location
southern, CA US
rongi#401 2/18/2018 5:33am
2/18/2018 5:33am
the tuf blocks were removed if you look at the footage before one of the mains
Motofinne
Profile picture for user Motofinne
Posts
10686
Joined
1/4/2014
Location
FI
Motofinne 2/18/2018 5:53am
2/18/2018 5:53am


GTCD15317
Profile picture for user GTCD15317
Posts
105
Joined
9/4/2017
Location
Burgettstown, PA US
GTCD15317 2/18/2018 6:21am
2/18/2018 6:21am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 6:22am
Thought i saw something last week but, Do we really need stand alone tripples, make it a big double like the finish. Give riders and easy way out if they don't make it or have trouble, not many people get landed on at the finish, and guys roll it all the time, especially out of corners .... tripple in a rythem lane is ok, we know that, it's about the timing and rythem, But stand alone are just for the fans... 3 is better than 2 in the fans eyes, and 4 is better than anything, ralph will tell you that.
RangerLee
Profile picture for user RangerLee
Posts
927
Joined
7/23/2013
Location
Spring City, PA US
RangerLee 2/18/2018 6:33am
2/18/2018 6:33am
This is what Trey's company is supposed to do, go over track safety and be a liaison between the teams/riders and Feld. However Feld will not take it seriously unless Trey can get full buy in from the teams, if they insist that his company is used to review track safety and recommendations then he will have the influence.

Until then, the teams alone are written off as whining or scared of a certain "obstacle" on the track. Having that intermediary is key as it would be neutral to all teams and feld.

I disagree about getting rid of triples, they just need to be in the right spot or better yet, as suggested, give a safe bail out section.
DonM
Profile picture for user DonM
Posts
6753
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
DonM 2/18/2018 6:38am
2/18/2018 6:38am
They had the tough blocks removed this week between the jumps....I think the need to make them just a big double and use the extra dirt for something else.
If its a big double and they miss it they have more time to think about what action to take to avoid being landed on. Barcia could have gone off the track between the jumps but in the split second he didn't think about it.
Fans don't care whether it's a double or triple for the uninformed its more about the height and distance the riders fly.
GTCD15317
Profile picture for user GTCD15317
Posts
105
Joined
9/4/2017
Location
Burgettstown, PA US
GTCD15317 2/18/2018 6:43am
2/18/2018 6:43am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 6:44am
DonM wrote:
They had the tough blocks removed this week between the jumps....I think the need to make them just a big double and use the extra dirt...
They had the tough blocks removed this week between the jumps....I think the need to make them just a big double and use the extra dirt for something else.
If its a big double and they miss it they have more time to think about what action to take to avoid being landed on. Barcia could have gone off the track between the jumps but in the split second he didn't think about it.
Fans don't care whether it's a double or triple for the uninformed its more about the height and distance the riders fly.
Agreed, going single double seems to get guys landed on. If they didn't have to to that, they can assess the situation, and act accordingly instead of worrying about jumping the last 2.
yak651
Profile picture for user yak651
Posts
6683
Joined
8/26/2006
Location
Appleton, WI US
Fantasy
214th
yak651 2/18/2018 6:53am
2/18/2018 6:53am
I thought on Pulp they said Trey was only at A1. What's the point of creating the position if not going to be at all the races? Just for show that they care? In fact, pretty similar to what happened to Trey a few years back...shame it has to keep happening

Pit Row

See All »
Joe512
Profile picture for user Joe512
Posts
365
Joined
10/2/2016
Location
Conowingo, MD US
Joe512 2/18/2018 6:53am
2/18/2018 6:53am
Other then thinning out the tough blocks it just is what it is. We don't need to go all millennial and soften the sport every time someone gets hurt. Fine line between protecting and over protecting, going to far has substantiality hurt NASCAR and the NFL we dont wanna go down that road...
kkawboy14
Profile picture for user kkawboy14
Posts
11494
Joined
6/5/2015
Location
TX US
kkawboy14 2/18/2018 6:56am
2/18/2018 6:56am
He could have stopped, slowed down or went more to the left than he did.
early
Profile picture for user early
Posts
8260
Joined
2/13/2013
Location
University Heights, OH US
Fantasy
2212th
early 2/18/2018 6:58am
2/18/2018 6:58am

Tuff blocks were removed from the outside of the third jump. Justin could have riddien off the track but chose not to.
GTCD15317
Profile picture for user GTCD15317
Posts
105
Joined
9/4/2017
Location
Burgettstown, PA US
GTCD15317 2/18/2018 6:59am
2/18/2018 6:59am
Joe512 wrote:
Other then thinning out the tough blocks it just is what it is. We don't need to go all millennial and soften the sport every time...
Other then thinning out the tough blocks it just is what it is. We don't need to go all millennial and soften the sport every time someone gets hurt. Fine line between protecting and over protecting, going to far has substantiality hurt NASCAR and the NFL we dont wanna go down that road...
Not really talking about softening the sport, 70 foot jump is a 70 foot jump, just trying to not get guys landed on. There in NO way to take the danger out of the sport, your rite, it is what it is.
tcallahan707
Profile picture for user tcallahan707
Posts
1826
Joined
4/5/2016
Location
Morrison, CO US
tcallahan707 2/18/2018 6:59am
2/18/2018 6:59am
Tuff blocks are helpful but the more I think about it, I just don't see many guys taking the exit route. I guess that's just a mentality that would have to evolve over time.
Motofinne
Profile picture for user Motofinne
Posts
10686
Joined
1/4/2014
Location
FI
Motofinne 2/18/2018 7:06am
2/18/2018 7:06am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 7:07am
Interesting. Barcia took a big risk and paid for it.

That sucks, he should've just turned left and avoided the single out. But it's easy to say that in the hindsight...
Joe512
Profile picture for user Joe512
Posts
365
Joined
10/2/2016
Location
Conowingo, MD US
Joe512 2/18/2018 7:07am
2/18/2018 7:07am
Great pic I guess they were removed. So yeah I think this goes back to a racer mentality of "shit I don't wanna lose any spots so I just gotta stay in it". Not to mention he would eat it on that concrete as we saw. Just unfortunate timing and circumstances I guess?
Dirt222
Profile picture for user Dirt222
Posts
18
Joined
7/31/2015
Location
Fairview, TN US
Dirt222 2/18/2018 7:17am
2/18/2018 7:17am
Gladiators we have become. The art of racing has nothing to do with supercross. The start of the 250s looked like a bunch of C riders. Where did the rider from gate 1 think he was going. After the start the jumps leading up to the first triple were so poorly staged they begged one of the first 5 riders over them to not make the triple. All of this has done more to kill our sport. Just think how many moms were sitting at home watching this on TV thinking not my kid. Supercross has done more to kill the art of racing. On the straights they swerve from side to side to block a pass. They ram you in the corners. Cross jumping in front of other riders. They skills have found there way down to the local level. Gladiators we have become.
kkawboy14
Profile picture for user kkawboy14
Posts
11494
Joined
6/5/2015
Location
TX US
kkawboy14 2/18/2018 7:21am
2/18/2018 7:21am
early wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/02/18/244613/s1200_Screenshot_20180218_095624.jpg[/img] Tuff blocks were removed from the outside of the third jump. Justin could have riddien off the track but chose not to.

Tuff blocks were removed from the outside of the third jump. Justin could have riddien off the track but chose not to.
I guess that settles that.

He didn’t want to lose any time so he did the fastest thing he could do in that situation.
Motocross83 2/18/2018 7:24am
2/18/2018 7:24am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2018 7:26am
But if you can't jump the triple from the middle of the lane, then that makes needing to take a hard left or right potentially hazardous in itself (in the case of another rider being along side you).

Perhaps make the traditional triple/s into sodding great table tops instead (hillbilly). That way even if you don't jump the full length you can still accelerate out, and there isn't as great of a time delay by having to climb a 3rd obstacle, nor the same force in the unfortunate event of colliding with another rider coming down (via jumping the full length).
Hank_Thrill
Profile picture for user Hank_Thrill
Posts
4506
Joined
9/22/2008
Location
Arlen, TX US
Hank_Thrill 2/18/2018 7:44am
2/18/2018 7:44am
rongi#401 wrote:
the tuf blocks were removed if you look at the footage before one of the mains
Noticed that! I wish Barcia could of moved over. I wonder if it was mentioned in a riders meeting? Shit happens and that shit sucked last night.
Asimo
Profile picture for user Asimo
Posts
505
Joined
1/16/2018
Location
US
Asimo 2/18/2018 7:52am
2/18/2018 7:52am
Motofinne wrote:
Also wanted to put this out there...When a racer makes a bad mistake like I did this weekend or TC41 JB19 and so on there is...


Say what?

Post a reply to: Triple jumps (safety discussion)