Triple jumps (safety discussion)

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2/18/2018 4:50 AM

There has to be something that can be done, first of all there shouldn’t be a triple until the riders get some sort of separation...

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2/18/2018 4:53 AM

Maybe a first lap double only rule? At the very least they should be closer to the end of the lap.

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2/18/2018 4:54 AM

And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?

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2/18/2018 5:00 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2018 5:01 AM

There was a thread about this earlier this week.

Just remove 2 tuff blocks on the ground so a rider that can't make the triple has a safe route out of the obstacle and isn't forced to do the single.

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2/18/2018 5:07 AM

Motofinne wrote:

There was a thread about this earlier this week.

Just remove 2 tuff blocks on the ground so a rider that can't make the triple has a safe route out of the obstacle and isn't forced to do the single.

I️ agree with that, however there shouldn’t be a triple when riders are all bunched up. In barcias case he could have got off the track but didn’t.

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2/18/2018 5:08 AM

MXD wrote:

And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?

That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?

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2/18/2018 5:16 AM

MXD wrote:

Maybe a first lap double only rule? At the very least they should be closer to the end of the lap.

That was my thought also, but it would probably be like the Joker Lane at Vegas, I won't mention the past champ's that forgot to take that section.... whistling

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There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.

2/18/2018 5:16 AM

eliminate .make a table top using a bridge to save dirt.

Design to be light and able to be broken down and hauled with tour

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2/18/2018 5:20 AM

hillbilly wrote:

eliminate .make a table top using a bridge to save dirt.

Design to be light and able to be broken down and hauled with tour

But that takes away the time penalty of having to roll or double it later in the race after a nice block pass. If we do that, those moves that force a rider to check up for position would be taken out of the equation.

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2/18/2018 5:21 AM

MXD wrote:

And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?

logan_140 wrote:

That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?

I haven't seen any footage of it.

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2/18/2018 5:24 AM

MXD wrote:

And can we add "why would you put a high speed straight right up against a bowl turn heading the opposite direction" to the discussion?

logan_140 wrote:

That’s just plain stupid.. did they ever show that?

This was the biggest safety miscalculation that was on the track last night.

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2/18/2018 5:33 AM

the tuf blocks were removed if you look at the footage before one of the mains

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2/18/2018 5:53 AM



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2/18/2018 6:09 AM

Roll them with the flashing res lights the first lap.

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2/18/2018 6:21 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2018 6:22 AM

Thought i saw something last week but, Do we really need stand alone tripples, make it a big double like the finish. Give riders and easy way out if they don't make it or have trouble, not many people get landed on at the finish, and guys roll it all the time, especially out of corners .... tripple in a rythem lane is ok, we know that, it's about the timing and rythem, But stand alone are just for the fans... 3 is better than 2 in the fans eyes, and 4 is better than anything, ralph will tell you that.

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2/18/2018 6:33 AM

This is what Trey's company is supposed to do, go over track safety and be a liaison between the teams/riders and Feld. However Feld will not take it seriously unless Trey can get full buy in from the teams, if they insist that his company is used to review track safety and recommendations then he will have the influence.

Until then, the teams alone are written off as whining or scared of a certain "obstacle" on the track. Having that intermediary is key as it would be neutral to all teams and feld.

I disagree about getting rid of triples, they just need to be in the right spot or better yet, as suggested, give a safe bail out section.

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2/18/2018 6:38 AM

They had the tough blocks removed this week between the jumps....I think the need to make them just a big double and use the extra dirt for something else.
If its a big double and they miss it they have more time to think about what action to take to avoid being landed on. Barcia could have gone off the track between the jumps but in the split second he didn't think about it.
Fans don't care whether it's a double or triple for the uninformed its more about the height and distance the riders fly.

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2/18/2018 6:43 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2018 6:44 AM

DonM wrote:

They had the tough blocks removed this week between the jumps....I think the need to make them just a big double and use the extra dirt for something else.
If its a big double and they miss it they have more time to think about what action to take to avoid being landed on. Barcia could have gone off the track between the jumps but in the split second he didn't think about it.
Fans don't care whether it's a double or triple for the uninformed its more about the height and distance the riders fly.

Agreed, going single double seems to get guys landed on. If they didn't have to to that, they can assess the situation, and act accordingly instead of worrying about jumping the last 2.

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2/18/2018 6:53 AM

I thought on Pulp they said Trey was only at A1. What's the point of creating the position if not going to be at all the races? Just for show that they care? In fact, pretty similar to what happened to Trey a few years back...shame it has to keep happening

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2/18/2018 6:53 AM

Other then thinning out the tough blocks it just is what it is. We don't need to go all millennial and soften the sport every time someone gets hurt. Fine line between protecting and over protecting, going to far has substantiality hurt NASCAR and the NFL we dont wanna go down that road...

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2/18/2018 6:56 AM

He could have stopped, slowed down or went more to the left than he did.

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2/18/2018 6:58 AM

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Tuff blocks were removed from the outside of the third jump. Justin could have riddien off the track but chose not to.
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2/18/2018 6:59 AM

Joe512 wrote:

Other then thinning out the tough blocks it just is what it is. We don't need to go all millennial and soften the sport every time someone gets hurt. Fine line between protecting and over protecting, going to far has substantiality hurt NASCAR and the NFL we dont wanna go down that road...

Not really talking about softening the sport, 70 foot jump is a 70 foot jump, just trying to not get guys landed on. There in NO way to take the danger out of the sport, your rite, it is what it is.

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2/18/2018 6:59 AM

Tuff blocks are helpful but the more I think about it, I just don't see many guys taking the exit route. I guess that's just a mentality that would have to evolve over time.

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2/18/2018 7:06 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2018 7:07 AM

Interesting. Barcia took a big risk and paid for it.

That sucks, he should've just turned left and avoided the single out. But it's easy to say that in the hindsight...

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2/18/2018 7:07 AM

Great pic I guess they were removed. So yeah I think this goes back to a racer mentality of "shit I don't wanna lose any spots so I just gotta stay in it". Not to mention he would eat it on that concrete as we saw. Just unfortunate timing and circumstances I guess?

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2/18/2018 7:17 AM

Gladiators we have become. The art of racing has nothing to do with supercross. The start of the 250s looked like a bunch of C riders. Where did the rider from gate 1 think he was going. After the start the jumps leading up to the first triple were so poorly staged they begged one of the first 5 riders over them to not make the triple. All of this has done more to kill our sport. Just think how many moms were sitting at home watching this on TV thinking not my kid. Supercross has done more to kill the art of racing. On the straights they swerve from side to side to block a pass. They ram you in the corners. Cross jumping in front of other riders. They skills have found there way down to the local level. Gladiators we have become.

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2/18/2018 7:21 AM

early wrote: Photo
Tuff blocks were removed from the outside of the third jump. Justin could have riddien off the track but chose not to.

I guess that settles that.

He didn’t want to lose any time so he did the fastest thing he could do in that situation.

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2/18/2018 7:24 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2018 7:26 AM

But if you can't jump the triple from the middle of the lane, then that makes needing to take a hard left or right potentially hazardous in itself (in the case of another rider being along side you).

Perhaps make the traditional triple/s into sodding great table tops instead (hillbilly). That way even if you don't jump the full length you can still accelerate out, and there isn't as great of a time delay by having to climb a 3rd obstacle, nor the same force in the unfortunate event of colliding with another rider coming down (via jumping the full length).

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2/18/2018 7:44 AM

rongi#401 wrote:

the tuf blocks were removed if you look at the footage before one of the mains

Noticed that! I wish Barcia could of moved over. I wonder if it was mentioned in a riders meeting? Shit happens and that shit sucked last night.

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