Training for moto - running

TJMX947 wrote:

I 1000% agree. Someone above mentioned they were an avid runner but went to a spin class and it kicked their butt. There is a huge...

I 1000% agree. Someone above mentioned they were an avid runner but went to a spin class and it kicked their butt. There is a huge difference between a spin class and the program the top guys use to build and maintain their fitness. I see the road bike being useful in the off season for base building purposes and for in season recovery. Right now these guys are just trying to maintain and survive these last few nationals.

Markee wrote:

If yall don't listen up and buy a pelton bike, Indy Mxer going to kick yalls ass...

lumpy790 wrote:

Training in AC on a wind bike does not you in shape for high humidity and temps. My neighbors in MD thought I was crazy running...

Training in AC on a wind bike does not you in shape for high humidity and temps.

My neighbors in MD thought I was crazy running in the heat of the day in 95+ temps and 90-95% humidity in sweats & a sweat shirt but I was not fading half way though a 30 min moto like most were. I also ran sometimes in my MX boots too.

Indy mxer wrote:

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact...

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact cardio. You should do a bit of research before you make dumb comments. Btw, your grammar needs work!

GrapeApe wrote:

How can you possibly question someone that ran in 95+ temps and 95% humidity in a sweat suit and MX boots

miketherider wrote:

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals...

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals or speed workouts pushing to 90% of your 5k or 10k race pace. 1 day total rest/recovery, 1 day of stretching (yoga)/pool workout/rower/bike ride/something to give your joints some rest and remain pliable.

IMO, look into training program for a 10k race. Most "average" people run in the 7:15-7:30 range, puts you into the 45 minute range of staying in that area 4 to area 5 range with your heart rate, in theory just above a moto (cardio wise). That's about all I have time for training at 4:30 every morning before work. My riding is rubish, but whenever I go to NEPG enduros or a local MX race, I always pull guys by the end of my 3rd/4th motos or make a big push on the last 2 special tests of an enduro.

Myke wrote:

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend...

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend days as well.

miketherider wrote:

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals...

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals or speed workouts pushing to 90% of your 5k or 10k race pace. 1 day total rest/recovery, 1 day of stretching (yoga)/pool workout/rower/bike ride/something to give your joints some rest and remain pliable.

IMO, look into training program for a 10k race. Most "average" people run in the 7:15-7:30 range, puts you into the 45 minute range of staying in that area 4 to area 5 range with your heart rate, in theory just above a moto (cardio wise). That's about all I have time for training at 4:30 every morning before work. My riding is rubish, but whenever I go to NEPG enduros or a local MX race, I always pull guys by the end of my 3rd/4th motos or make a big push on the last 2 special tests of an enduro.

Myke wrote:

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend...

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend days as well.

thephoenix wrote:

At that pace you are probably doing base building aka aerobic training. ANY base aerobic fitness increase will translate to better fitness on the bike. You...

At that pace you are probably doing base building aka aerobic training. ANY base aerobic fitness increase will translate to better fitness on the bike. You MUST have a solid aerobic base to have any fitness for those 20 minute sprints.

Hell, the fastest mile guys run MUCH slower multiple miles to build that base fitness. The trick is, they have such good base fitness that a 6:00 mile is aerobic for them.

Every single one of us can benefit from doing aerobic training, whether that be running, swimming, or cycling. If you cannot hold a light conversation with a training partner and/or maintain that effort level for at least 30 minutes...you are not staying aerobic and burning fat for fuel, rather you are going anaerobic and burning the stored sugars in the blood and muscle. In reality we burn both fat and stored sugars, but you want to be able to burn a larger percentage of fats so that your stored fuel goes longer.

There is a reason a marathon is 26.2 miles. 20 miles is about the point your body runs out of it's stored fuel supply. The better your base fitness, the longer that stored fuel will last.

miketherider wrote:

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals...

3 days a week of base running; trying to establish a pace around 75% of a target "race" pace; 2 days a week of mixed intervals or speed workouts pushing to 90% of your 5k or 10k race pace. 1 day total rest/recovery, 1 day of stretching (yoga)/pool workout/rower/bike ride/something to give your joints some rest and remain pliable.

IMO, look into training program for a 10k race. Most "average" people run in the 7:15-7:30 range, puts you into the 45 minute range of staying in that area 4 to area 5 range with your heart rate, in theory just above a moto (cardio wise). That's about all I have time for training at 4:30 every morning before work. My riding is rubish, but whenever I go to NEPG enduros or a local MX race, I always pull guys by the end of my 3rd/4th motos or make a big push on the last 2 special tests of an enduro.

Myke wrote:

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend...

Just running a 5k Tues and Thurs at my slow 10:00/mile pace helps with my motos on the weekend. I do try to ride both weekend days as well.

thephoenix wrote:

At that pace you are probably doing base building aka aerobic training. ANY base aerobic fitness increase will translate to better fitness on the bike. You...

At that pace you are probably doing base building aka aerobic training. ANY base aerobic fitness increase will translate to better fitness on the bike. You MUST have a solid aerobic base to have any fitness for those 20 minute sprints.

Hell, the fastest mile guys run MUCH slower multiple miles to build that base fitness. The trick is, they have such good base fitness that a 6:00 mile is aerobic for them.

Every single one of us can benefit from doing aerobic training, whether that be running, swimming, or cycling. If you cannot hold a light conversation with a training partner and/or maintain that effort level for at least 30 minutes...you are not staying aerobic and burning fat for fuel, rather you are going anaerobic and burning the stored sugars in the blood and muscle. In reality we burn both fat and stored sugars, but you want to be able to burn a larger percentage of fats so that your stored fuel goes longer.

There is a reason a marathon is 26.2 miles. 20 miles is about the point your body runs out of it's stored fuel supply. The better your base fitness, the longer that stored fuel will last.

lumpy790 wrote:

Training in AC on a wind bike does not you in shape for high humidity and temps. My neighbors in MD thought I was crazy running...

Training in AC on a wind bike does not you in shape for high humidity and temps.

My neighbors in MD thought I was crazy running in the heat of the day in 95+ temps and 90-95% humidity in sweats & a sweat shirt but I was not fading half way though a 30 min moto like most were. I also ran sometimes in my MX boots too.

Indy mxer wrote:

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact...

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact cardio. You should do a bit of research before you make dumb comments. Btw, your grammar needs work!

Naanak wrote:

One look at any pros Strava shows that his times are definitely bull. The kid said after the motos and he doesn’t even make lcqs. Just...

One look at any pros Strava shows that his times are definitely bull. The kid said after the motos and he doesn’t even make lcqs. Just cause he says he’s pro doesn’t mean you need to defend him.

colintrax wrote:

Your reading comprehension is akin to a 5 year old. Nothing he said is bullshit so STFU noob.

novisorgajser wrote:

"Nothing he said is bullshit" how would you know... dude claims to be tired "after the Motos" meanwhile at red bud he qualified 86 out of...

"Nothing he said is bullshit" how would you know... dude claims to be tired "after the Motos" meanwhile at red bud he qualified 86 out of 87. Didn't even race the lcq sounds like a huge load to me.

Indy mxer wrote:

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact...

I still run outdoors in the high humidity, just did last Sunday.. But the Peloton is much more than a wind bike, it's awesome low impact cardio. You should do a bit of research before you make dumb comments. Btw, your grammar needs work!

GrapeApe wrote:

How can you possibly question someone that ran in 95+ temps and 95% humidity in a sweat suit and MX boots

Bramlett321 wrote:

Right !!! I live in East Texas which in my opinion is most humid place on this planet. Well maybe Florida is too....but to run in...

Right !!! I live in East Texas which in my opinion is most humid place on this planet. Well maybe Florida is too....but to run in sweats at 95 degrees and 95% humidity is suicide. Give me the Peloton any day, work smarter not harder if that's possible.

Brad Company wrote:

The reason marathons are 26.2 is because that's roughly the distance from Athens to Marathon, Greece.

Christopher Moore wrote:

I race outdoors and honestly the last thing I would wanna do on a Monday is run. After the motos normally Sunday is just a relaxing...

I race outdoors and honestly the last thing I would wanna do on a Monday is run. After the motos normally Sunday is just a relaxing day (normally a travel day) and on Monday I’ll go back to work (6am-7pm) then when I get off I’ll normally cycle for about an hour and half and do 30-35 miles. Tuesday I’m in the gym after work with stationary bike ride at the end, Wednesday I cycle for an hour then go the the gym, Thursday I’ll work then normally travel to the races. My program sucks because I can’t ride during the week at all but unfortunately I have to make money to get to the next race. I’m not top rider but this is what my program looks like a little bit

Naanak wrote:

Your in the wrong sport if your doing those miles in that time.

zehn wrote:

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the...

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the air.

zehn wrote:

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the...

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the air.

sandtrack315 wrote:

LOL yes that would give your heat index of: 154 F I rode today and it was 94 and 50 percent humidity and that’s about as...

LOL yes that would give your heat index of: 154 F

I rode today and it was 94 and 50 percent humidity and that’s about as hot as I can go. Heat index of 103.

zehn wrote:

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the...

95F and 95% humidity weather conditions don't exist. You have to look at dew points for an absolute measure of the amount of water in the air.

sandtrack315 wrote:

LOL yes that would give your heat index of: 154 F I rode today and it was 94 and 50 percent humidity and that’s about as...

LOL yes that would give your heat index of: 154 F

I rode today and it was 94 and 50 percent humidity and that’s about as hot as I can go. Heat index of 103.

Indy mxer wrote:

I know what you mean. But that's pretty stout on your part riding in those conditions. It's 92 degrees and 59% humidity here. Heat index 100...

I know what you mean. But that's pretty stout on your part riding in those conditions.
It's 92 degrees and 59% humidity here. Heat index 100. I'm heading out for a 4 mile run knowing it will be a bitch.

I always try to run on the hottest day of the year just to show myself I can still do it. I know, not real smart.
The next few days it's going to get to mid 90's here so I'll hit one of those days too. For some reason I still like to challenge myself.

Someday it will probably bite me, but wtf! Life's short.
As the saying goes "better to wear out than to rust out". lol

Indy mxer wrote:

We don't need to "go" to a spin class, that's the cool part. It comes to us. Obviously you didn't read my post. I simply said...

We don't need to "go" to a spin class, that's the cool part. It comes to us. Obviously you didn't read my post. I simply said the Peloton bike that you see on tv is a hell of a cardio workout and uses the same muscles as cycling. Plus it's a better cardio workout if you push yourself.

And that I see why the pros use cycling in their training programs. Cycling definitely uses more muscles than running.
Btw, I wasn't comparing my workouts to what the pro's do.

Indy mxer wrote:

We don't need to "go" to a spin class, that's the cool part. It comes to us. Obviously you didn't read my post. I simply said...

We don't need to "go" to a spin class, that's the cool part. It comes to us. Obviously you didn't read my post. I simply said the Peloton bike that you see on tv is a hell of a cardio workout and uses the same muscles as cycling. Plus it's a better cardio workout if you push yourself.

And that I see why the pros use cycling in their training programs. Cycling definitely uses more muscles than running.
Btw, I wasn't comparing my workouts to what the pro's do.

TJMX947 wrote:

I'm not knocking you, I have a Lemond Spin bike in my garage that I love. I don't recall if it was you but someone mentioned...

I'm not knocking you, I have a Lemond Spin bike in my garage that I love. I don't recall if it was you but someone mentioned being an avid runner but spin class kicked their butt. Spin class is super intense, especially for someone who has spent so much time running. I had a girlfriend in college who could spin easily but would have to quit rowing because her arms would pump up.