Tomac’s pass on Marv

Moto96 wrote:

The race thread discussions don't even crack 10 pages anymore.

NateDawg wrote:

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli! The last lap Tomac...

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli!

The last lap Tomac turned a 2:10 while Marvin ran a 2:22... 12 seconds in one lap!

Fonzarelli wrote:

Marv can't go faster than Tomac but he has The Musquin Plan: - Ride well enough to keep it within 25 points. - Pray for an...

Marv can't go faster than Tomac but he has The Musquin Plan:

- Ride well enough to keep it within 25 points.
- Pray for an Eli DNF.

NateDawg wrote:

Yes...I am... Please name me all the other times Tomac has been 12 seconds faster than Marv on the final lap. You're the biggest POS on...

Yes...I am... Please name me all the other times Tomac has been 12 seconds faster than Marv on the final lap.

You're the biggest POS on this forum dude, I swear. You try to constantly undermine riders you don't like and then you troll the fuck out of anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

RichardLoots wrote:

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being...

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh

to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being the smarter one ... top 3 wasted way too much energy first 10/15 minutes and they paid for it last 10 minutes ... it wasnt Tomac who upped his speed like he usually does , but he managed it through the whole moto , while the top 3 ( Barcia.Musquin and Roczen ) dropped anchor and so Tomac made it a smart and easy win.
but he didnt look ON today and laptimes showed he had only 4th fastest laptime ... but it was enough for the win and he showed once again his fitness is on par

NateDawg wrote:

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli! The last lap Tomac...

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli!

The last lap Tomac turned a 2:10 while Marvin ran a 2:22... 12 seconds in one lap!

2whlfun wrote:

I live in Colorado and am a huge Tomac fan but touting the 12 seconds faster on LAST lap doesn’t work.

NateDawg wrote:

I was speaking more to how bad Musquin threw out the anchor... Marv should've been pushing that whole race, his championship was on the line. Maybe...

I was speaking more to how bad Musquin threw out the anchor... Marv should've been pushing that whole race, his championship was on the line. Maybe he had a big crash or something earlier in the week but he was completely gassed.

NateDawg wrote:

I was speaking more to how bad Musquin threw out the anchor... Marv should've been pushing that whole race, his championship was on the line. Maybe...

I was speaking more to how bad Musquin threw out the anchor... Marv should've been pushing that whole race, his championship was on the line. Maybe he had a big crash or something earlier in the week but he was completely gassed.

RichardLoots wrote:

oh it changed ? when i responded you didnt mention any of this ..

NateDawg wrote:

The last 3-4 laps he completely tossed the anchor. He tried to hang with Eli for a while but I honestly think Tomac has Marv mentally...

The last 3-4 laps he completely tossed the anchor. He tried to hang with Eli for a while but I honestly think Tomac has Marv mentally whipped at this point. You can only get passed/gapped like that so many times before you give up.

RichardLoots wrote:

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being...

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh

to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being the smarter one ... top 3 wasted way too much energy first 10/15 minutes and they paid for it last 10 minutes ... it wasnt Tomac who upped his speed like he usually does , but he managed it through the whole moto , while the top 3 ( Barcia.Musquin and Roczen ) dropped anchor and so Tomac made it a smart and easy win.
but he didnt look ON today and laptimes showed he had only 4th fastest laptime ... but it was enough for the win and he showed once again his fitness is on par

drt410 wrote:

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized...

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized they weren't slowing down so he had to step it up. This is very telling to hear seeing that it was Kenny who was leading both motos and I havent heard him say this....ever, but not with Marvin/or anybody else leading the race. This must mean Kenny is like 97% back to form if hes pushing Tomac like that, because thats what he used to be able to do....and he was the only one besides James who was able to do that. When Tomac was "ON" in 2015 he was beating Dungey by 1:15 and remember in 2016 when Roczen won Tomac was the only one beating him, yes coming off injury but he had speed. These two when healthy and fit are the only two (Us riders) capable of riding that next next level speed. Both also have had this speed come back to bite them, but they have it in the tank. Theres a reason Tomac, Roczen, and Herlings get injured a lot.... because they can and will ride wayyyyyy faster than is even necessary/almost not even possible.

I think this comment by Tomac definitely means that Roczen was onnnnn it this weekend and must be pretty damn close to being back to his either old form or new old form. Once this season is wrapped up and he gets to start over in the winter I expect him to still not be 100.00% but damn close and stepping comfortably into the #2 spot at least and hes surprised us before so maybe even...not going to jinx it but we all know. I feel like both of them have learned a valuable lesson that you dont need to win every race, and you also dont need to put 8 seconds a lap on 2nd place.....ever. Tomac seems to be forgetting this, but at least hes doing it to move through the pack usually instead of getting a holeshot and unnecessarily putting 17 minutes on 2nd place. Tomac was guilty of this in 2015... blown shoulders, and Roczen did this in 2016 outdoors until Dungey crashed, but he was putting 1:15 on Dungey in second for the first few races then rode out the rest of the season, but once he carried it over again and tried to do it in sx with a healthy Dungey he nuked his arm. I really hope both have matured and have learned to just win, statements dont give any extra points. Imagine both of them at 100% health, fitness, and speed battling next year..... I dont think we've ever seen two racers do this before at this level.... because its unsustainable..... but if they can do it oh my god will it be amazing. I would say AC222/JH84 of this year but Herlings crashed so that just furthers my other point, but anyways imagine a 2015/2018 Tomac vs a 2016/2017 Roczen....

CozMan wrote:

Tomac is a strange rider. He has two modes: 1. I'm not really feeling it today and am going to make bonehead mistakes. 2. I'm going...

Tomac is a strange rider. He has two modes:

1. I'm not really feeling it today and am going to make bonehead mistakes.
2. I'm going to rape this track into submission and crush anyone that gets in my way.

Can't remember the last rider that was so bi-polar with his riding styles. When he's off, I could keep up with him (I'm kidding), and when he's ON, I don't think anyone on earth could beat him.

And yes, Musquin has given up. Roczen is going to be a serious threat come A1, but MM has some serious soul searching to do. His worst enemy right now is between his ears.

edit - I'm getting less and less excited for SX. MX is the only true form of our sport that exposes all of the weaknesses of each rider and truly separates them. SX has become a circus of "Survival of the Fittest" and the racing has deteriorated to depressing levels. Yes, we get the occasional gem of a race...but for the most part...snooze fest. Just my .02.

drt410 wrote:

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized...

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized they weren't slowing down so he had to step it up. This is very telling to hear seeing that it was Kenny who was leading both motos and I havent heard him say this....ever, but not with Marvin/or anybody else leading the race. This must mean Kenny is like 97% back to form if hes pushing Tomac like that, because thats what he used to be able to do....and he was the only one besides James who was able to do that. When Tomac was "ON" in 2015 he was beating Dungey by 1:15 and remember in 2016 when Roczen won Tomac was the only one beating him, yes coming off injury but he had speed. These two when healthy and fit are the only two (Us riders) capable of riding that next next level speed. Both also have had this speed come back to bite them, but they have it in the tank. Theres a reason Tomac, Roczen, and Herlings get injured a lot.... because they can and will ride wayyyyyy faster than is even necessary/almost not even possible.

I think this comment by Tomac definitely means that Roczen was onnnnn it this weekend and must be pretty damn close to being back to his either old form or new old form. Once this season is wrapped up and he gets to start over in the winter I expect him to still not be 100.00% but damn close and stepping comfortably into the #2 spot at least and hes surprised us before so maybe even...not going to jinx it but we all know. I feel like both of them have learned a valuable lesson that you dont need to win every race, and you also dont need to put 8 seconds a lap on 2nd place.....ever. Tomac seems to be forgetting this, but at least hes doing it to move through the pack usually instead of getting a holeshot and unnecessarily putting 17 minutes on 2nd place. Tomac was guilty of this in 2015... blown shoulders, and Roczen did this in 2016 outdoors until Dungey crashed, but he was putting 1:15 on Dungey in second for the first few races then rode out the rest of the season, but once he carried it over again and tried to do it in sx with a healthy Dungey he nuked his arm. I really hope both have matured and have learned to just win, statements dont give any extra points. Imagine both of them at 100% health, fitness, and speed battling next year..... I dont think we've ever seen two racers do this before at this level.... because its unsustainable..... but if they can do it oh my god will it be amazing. I would say AC222/JH84 of this year but Herlings crashed so that just furthers my other point, but anyways imagine a 2015/2018 Tomac vs a 2016/2017 Roczen....

RichardLoots wrote:

like i said .. Tomac raced smart , managed his fitness but he wasnt ON this time or do i read it all wrong again...

like i said ..

Tomac raced smart , managed his fitness but he wasnt ON this time


or do i read it all wrong again ? lol



and agree Roczen is getting close to his old best ..he looks smooth again , his fitness needs improvement but its awesome to see him back at this speed already after all those injuries he had , could have been all over

drt410 wrote:

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized...

He said post race that he was sitting around waiting for the pace to slow down because guys were going so fast and then he realized they weren't slowing down so he had to step it up. This is very telling to hear seeing that it was Kenny who was leading both motos and I havent heard him say this....ever, but not with Marvin/or anybody else leading the race. This must mean Kenny is like 97% back to form if hes pushing Tomac like that, because thats what he used to be able to do....and he was the only one besides James who was able to do that. When Tomac was "ON" in 2015 he was beating Dungey by 1:15 and remember in 2016 when Roczen won Tomac was the only one beating him, yes coming off injury but he had speed. These two when healthy and fit are the only two (Us riders) capable of riding that next next level speed. Both also have had this speed come back to bite them, but they have it in the tank. Theres a reason Tomac, Roczen, and Herlings get injured a lot.... because they can and will ride wayyyyyy faster than is even necessary/almost not even possible.

I think this comment by Tomac definitely means that Roczen was onnnnn it this weekend and must be pretty damn close to being back to his either old form or new old form. Once this season is wrapped up and he gets to start over in the winter I expect him to still not be 100.00% but damn close and stepping comfortably into the #2 spot at least and hes surprised us before so maybe even...not going to jinx it but we all know. I feel like both of them have learned a valuable lesson that you dont need to win every race, and you also dont need to put 8 seconds a lap on 2nd place.....ever. Tomac seems to be forgetting this, but at least hes doing it to move through the pack usually instead of getting a holeshot and unnecessarily putting 17 minutes on 2nd place. Tomac was guilty of this in 2015... blown shoulders, and Roczen did this in 2016 outdoors until Dungey crashed, but he was putting 1:15 on Dungey in second for the first few races then rode out the rest of the season, but once he carried it over again and tried to do it in sx with a healthy Dungey he nuked his arm. I really hope both have matured and have learned to just win, statements dont give any extra points. Imagine both of them at 100% health, fitness, and speed battling next year..... I dont think we've ever seen two racers do this before at this level.... because its unsustainable..... but if they can do it oh my god will it be amazing. I would say AC222/JH84 of this year but Herlings crashed so that just furthers my other point, but anyways imagine a 2015/2018 Tomac vs a 2016/2017 Roczen....

RichardLoots wrote:

like i said .. Tomac raced smart , managed his fitness but he wasnt ON this time or do i read it all wrong again...

like i said ..

Tomac raced smart , managed his fitness but he wasnt ON this time


or do i read it all wrong again ? lol



and agree Roczen is getting close to his old best ..he looks smooth again , his fitness needs improvement but its awesome to see him back at this speed already after all those injuries he had , could have been all over

ehr400 wrote:

You obviously failed to see the average lap time of Eli and your mancrush euro boi’s. BB4 and Eli’s average over the whole race, believe it...

You obviously failed to see the average lap time of Eli and your mancrush euro boi’s. BB4 and Eli’s average over the whole race, believe it or not one lap doesn’t win the moto, was 2:09. Next closest was Ken at 2:11 average thus the huge gap when they caught and gapped them. But this is nothing new, it happened for years in the 250 class to when Kenny would sprint, have a 10-15 second lead, BB4 and Eli catch him and drop him with 5 minutes to go. Same with marv.

jorgechavez wrote:

I think that's what Richard was trying to say, Tomac kept a similar pace the whole race and when Roczen and Musquin started to fade he...

I think that's what Richard was trying to say, Tomac kept a similar pace the whole race and when Roczen and Musquin started to fade he made up multiple seconds a lap. It's not like other times this year where he just uncorks laps 3 - 4 seconds faster than anyone has ran all race.

Indy mxer wrote:

MM was totally demoralized yesterday on the podium. Same as he was at Washougal when he said he thought that track would suit his style, but...

MM was totally demoralized yesterday on the podium. Same as he was at Washougal when he said he thought that track would suit his style, but got his ass kicked..

Tomac has him covered and he knows it.
I've never seen a rider drop seconds off their lap times near the end of motos like ET does.

That said, his starts are crap.

RichardLoots wrote:

exactly .. thnx Jorge your english and choice of words is better but thats what i meant has nothing to do with downgrading any rider or...

exactly .. thnx Jorge your english and choice of words is better but thats what i meant

has nothing to do with downgrading any rider or whatever ..

RichardLoots wrote:

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being...

and youre surprised Tomac was 12 sec a lap faster at that moment ?? ohhhhhhh

to be honest , i think Tomac won today with being the smarter one ... top 3 wasted way too much energy first 10/15 minutes and they paid for it last 10 minutes ... it wasnt Tomac who upped his speed like he usually does , but he managed it through the whole moto , while the top 3 ( Barcia.Musquin and Roczen ) dropped anchor and so Tomac made it a smart and easy win.
but he didnt look ON today and laptimes showed he had only 4th fastest laptime ... but it was enough for the win and he showed once again his fitness is on par

toroP wrote:

This weekend, Tomac was a bit over hyped by Weege and Langston. They were exclaiming about his speed, but not about KR who had the fastest...

This weekend, Tomac was a bit over hyped by Weege and Langston. They were exclaiming about his speed, but not about KR who had the fastest lap of the race. Tomac’s fitness won the day, not his speed this time.

NateDawg wrote:

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli! The last lap Tomac...

Honestly surprised there wasn't a thread on that 2nd moto charge in general. I mean Marv ended up 40 seconds behind Eli!

The last lap Tomac turned a 2:10 while Marvin ran a 2:22... 12 seconds in one lap!

Sideways wrote:

marv mentioned he was lucky to even be riding this weekend. He said he had a big crash earlier in the week. He was asked about...

marv mentioned he was lucky to even be riding this weekend. He said he had a big crash earlier in the week. He was asked about it but didnt seems to wanna talk about it.

Juss72 wrote:

BB4 didn't look to bad either