Tomac would have smoked all the 450 guys

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with a top 5 start of course!
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gt80rider 1/6/2013 12:15am
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does this mean the 250 guys are getting faster or the 450 guys are getting slower? does it mean tonights track catered to 250's?? what is Feld going to do if the slow class is going faster than the premier class??
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dehann 1/6/2013 12:28am
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Tomac is as fast/faster than Barcia right now. He is the next big thing if he doesn't get hurt.
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sharkey 1/6/2013 12:34am
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my buddies saw him at milesone this week and said he looked the best of all the guys out there
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GHR 1/6/2013 12:36am
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Tomac is a beast and no doubt in my mind he can beat anyone on the planet right now even on his 250

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Crashinskinoff 1/6/2013 12:40am
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dehann wrote:
Tomac is as fast/faster than Barcia right now. He is the next big thing if he doesn't get hurt.
I said it last year Barcia was going as fast as he can go now and Tomac was still learning.
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headache 1/6/2013 7:38am
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Well it's the rider not the bike size that makes the speed on the track. Tomac was on fire last night!
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Flip109 1/6/2013 7:44am
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Yea he's a beast. He rides like he's pissed off. I love it
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Ozy 1/6/2013 8:19am
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getting the holeshot and turning a 55 second lap on a freshly groomed track was impressive, but still. hard to see him smoking the top 450 guys
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SEE ARE125 1/6/2013 8:53am
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Millsaps averaged a 56.812, Canard a 56.869, and Tomac averaged a 57.264. Granted Canard and Millsaps were pressuring each other and Tomac turned his times all alone. Pretty impressive.
patrickadizzle 1/6/2013 8:54am
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It is honestly frightening to watch Tomac ride a 250f.

You watch Ken Roczen last night, and you're like 'wow okay Kenny is super fast AND smooth tonight...' then you switch over to Tomac quading into the bowl turn railing the outside no problems and it's just like... DAMN SON...

Tomac does *not* fear the red zone.. He embraces it. Caresses it. Fucks it. His 250f riding style makes Barcias style back in the day look tame in comparison, and the only 250f rider I can think of that reminds me of Tomac's intensity was RV. Just pure aggression. Its beautiful, really. Those awesome red blooded american genes help too.

Just put him on a 450 already.
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Ozy 1/6/2013 9:13am
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Millsaps averaged a 56.812, Canard a 56.869, and Tomac averaged a 57.264. Granted Canard and Millsaps were pressuring each other and Tomac turned his times all...
Millsaps averaged a 56.812, Canard a 56.869, and Tomac averaged a 57.264. Granted Canard and Millsaps were pressuring each other and Tomac turned his times all alone. Pretty impressive.
so at the end of 20 laps Tomac would be almost 10 seconds behind.
Not to take anything away from Eli! Eli is a great rider (as the #1 plate on his bike proves)
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Stewart had the fastest lap of the night in the second Qualifying Practice of: 55.401, until
Tomac laid down a: 55.275 in the main event - on a 250f.

Tomac means business.
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mx 219 1/6/2013 9:21am
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Flip109 wrote:
Yea he's a beast. He rides like he's pissed off. I love it
I agree... reminds me of Adrian Peterson, sometimes thats what you need to take it to the next level. Play/ride pissed off.
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patrickadizzle wrote:
It is honestly frightening to watch Tomac ride a 250f. You watch Ken Roczen last night, and you're like 'wow okay Kenny is super fast AND...
It is honestly frightening to watch Tomac ride a 250f.

You watch Ken Roczen last night, and you're like 'wow okay Kenny is super fast AND smooth tonight...' then you switch over to Tomac quading into the bowl turn railing the outside no problems and it's just like... DAMN SON...

Tomac does *not* fear the red zone.. He embraces it. Caresses it. Fucks it. His 250f riding style makes Barcias style back in the day look tame in comparison, and the only 250f rider I can think of that reminds me of Tomac's intensity was RV. Just pure aggression. Its beautiful, really. Those awesome red blooded american genes help too.

Just put him on a 450 already.
Great fucking post! Too bad Wilson wasn't out there to get bitch slapped by Tomac again
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CR250Rider 1/6/2013 5:23pm
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Eli gapped Kenny so bad he was in cruise mode the last 5+ laps
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Huckster 1/7/2013 4:28am
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dehann wrote:
Tomac is as fast/faster than Barcia right now. He is the next big thing if he doesn't get hurt.
How do you guys come up with these opinions? Does anyone care about Facts? Just to refresh your memory, Barcia beat Tomac in 2 of the 3 motos at the Monster Cup just a short 3 months ago.....Oh and he finished higher than him in the outdoors....
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im a huge tomac fan but he really surprised me with his performance , he was on another level compared to kenny who appeared to be riding very well also

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SEE ARE125 1/7/2013 4:58am
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Millsaps averaged a 56.812, Canard a 56.869, and Tomac averaged a 57.264. Granted Canard and Millsaps were pressuring each other and Tomac turned his times all...
Millsaps averaged a 56.812, Canard a 56.869, and Tomac averaged a 57.264. Granted Canard and Millsaps were pressuring each other and Tomac turned his times all alone. Pretty impressive.
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so at the end of 20 laps Tomac would be almost 10 seconds behind. Not to take anything away from Eli! Eli is a great rider...
so at the end of 20 laps Tomac would be almost 10 seconds behind.
Not to take anything away from Eli! Eli is a great rider (as the #1 plate on his bike proves)
Yeah, which would have put him in 3rd about 3 seconds ahead of Dungey. Dungey was 13.479 behind Millsaps. Keep in mind Tomac is on a 250F also. It's all theory, but interesting none the less.
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jleews6 1/7/2013 5:17am
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ET has amazing corner speed and that allows him to attack that next section with more speed witch in turn allows him to attack the next section and so on. In other words his corner speed lets him carry more speed through out the whole lap.
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ga_pike 1/7/2013 5:24am
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One reason a top 250 rider could possibly beat a top 450 rider is because of the track itself. As I watched the race Saturday night, it really was obvious to me that the track was "too small" for the big bikes. Overjumping, almost losing it off the side of the track by multiple riders, etc. Those guys really seemed to have to dial it back. Hitting all the "big jumps" and really having to work to scrub off speed to stay fast or just simply back it down (Alessi) to avoid overjumping. Now, that doesn't mean the big bike guys would get beaten, but I think they have to work a little harder (if that makes sense).
calistheman 1/7/2013 5:34am
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His corner speed is phenomenal. He was railing that big berm after the quad, the only rider I saw come close to matching his speed round there was Villopoto.
TripleFive 1/7/2013 6:20am
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If Factory Honda can snatch him up their team is going to be STACKED for a long time.
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OldYZRider1 1/7/2013 7:04am
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gt80rider wrote:
does this mean the 250 guys are getting faster or the 450 guys are getting slower? does it mean tonights track catered to 250's?? what is...
does this mean the 250 guys are getting faster or the 450 guys are getting slower? does it mean tonights track catered to 250's?? what is Feld going to do if the slow class is going faster than the premier class??
Feld could do whats been suggested here many times; 125cc two stroke entry level class and an open class!

I think your right, the 250f's are starting to show their superiority over the 450's except in their cost of operation. The 250 class ran quicker motos at several rounds of the nationals last year too. I wonder how well the top 450 guys would be doing now if they were back on these newer 250's!
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TriRacer27 1/7/2013 7:07am
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dehann wrote:
Tomac is as fast/faster than Barcia right now. He is the next big thing if he doesn't get hurt.
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How do you guys come up with these opinions? Does anyone care about Facts? Just to refresh your memory, Barcia beat Tomac in 2 of the...
How do you guys come up with these opinions? Does anyone care about Facts? Just to refresh your memory, Barcia beat Tomac in 2 of the 3 motos at the Monster Cup just a short 3 months ago.....Oh and he finished higher than him in the outdoors....
Ummm, facts?

Let me refresh YOUR memory. at the Monster cup, eli lawndarted into the ground so hard in practice that he was questionable for the night race. He later admitted that during the first two mains he was riding tentative and careful. Then in the 3rd he rode like himself and guess who won that one.

And in motocross, he was the only guy who had the speed to run down Baggett. Remember High Point? Remember moto 1 at Elsinore, High Point, Freestone?

At A1, he had the fastest lap time of the night and was making the quad look easy that Barcia was struggling with in his heat race. and yeah I know, track grooming and all that. Barcia said in his interview that the rut leading up to the quad was hard to get perfect. Well did you see what Tomac was doing? he was going wide in the corner, squaring it up, manualing the first double and hitting the quad without touching the main rut, one a 250. And he's a big kid.

If Barcia has the speed to win a main, so does Tomac, regardless of the bike. I don't think Tomac would beat Barcia every round, but he's certainly at least as fast as Barcia.
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CrashMaster 1/7/2013 7:16am
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You also have to remember, the 250f riders can ride the 250 full on. Where the 450 is a whole other animal to control. Two totally different type of riding styles, you just can't keep the 450 pinned the entire time like a 250, unless your RV1...Whistling
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ga_pike 1/7/2013 7:26am
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CrashMaster wrote:
You also have to remember, the 250f riders can ride the 250 full on. Where the 450 is a whole other animal to control. Two totally...
You also have to remember, the 250f riders can ride the 250 full on. Where the 450 is a whole other animal to control. Two totally different type of riding styles, you just can't keep the 450 pinned the entire time like a 250, unless your RV1...Whistling
This was kind of my point. The 450's are almost too much bike for SX and this means they must be ridden differently. You just can't go balls out and expect to stay on 2 wheels. RV alluded to that in the intro show as well talking about guys riding the edge, faster and faster, until they hit the point where they crash. The trick on the 450 is to not go past that point. On the 250's you have more room for "error" because the bikes don't overpower the track quite as much.

I think a 125 class and an open class would be tits!
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wow123 1/7/2013 7:30am
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no long up hills, no deep sand and tight corners in sx, its no surprise to me that the lighter factory 45+ hp 250s can lap quicker.
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bvm111 1/7/2013 8:26am
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Ive said it before and I will say it again.... it doesnt matter who has the fastest lap time, SX/MX isnt about raw speed. As some have posted before, 250f's, just like 125s can be held wide open and the whole point to being succesful is momentum through the corners due to less Torque and HP.... thats where they make up time on a 450f.... or 250 or 500 two stroke back in the day.

Johnny O, on a 125 smoked Dave Thorpe on a 500cc at the MXDes Nations.... using some of your arguments the 125 would be the premier class because he turned faster lap times..... just like RV did on a 250f vs the 450s!
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Markout 1/7/2013 8:35am
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Most impressive about ET is that as fast as he is he doesn't crash much, and he looks smooth and in control. He's going to be a factor on the big bike for sure. I think every team will be trying to acquire him next year..

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