Tomac and that Kawasaki

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

Skuzzy29 wrote:

Maybe check out Pit Bits! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/08/25/445732/s1200_Fire_Extiguisher.jpg[/img] The GEICO Honda guys did everything they could to try and keep their bikes cool during the motos, including using...

Maybe check out Pit Bits!



The GEICO Honda guys did everything they could to try and keep their bikes cool during the motos, including using a fire extinguisher to spray the radiators when their guys would come in for new goggles.

Gravel wrote:

Air movement across the radiators can be managed differently.. duct cleaner air from above the gas tank with a fan pushing it to avoid mud clogging...

Air movement across the radiators can be managed differently.. duct cleaner air from above the gas tank with a fan pushing it to avoid mud clogging the air flow? It’s a trivial engineering problem to solve, but the moto world will probably just keep doing the same thing they’ve always done, and keep blowing bikes at every mud race..

Momus wrote:

It's a non trivial, extremely difficult problem to solve removing pounds of sticky, adherent often drying and hard clay, from a moving motorcycle. The rotating knobby...

It's a non trivial, extremely difficult problem to solve removing pounds of sticky, adherent often drying and hard clay, from a moving motorcycle.

The rotating knobby tyres only do it if they are spinning past a certain speed; the louvres are natural traps.

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

tek14 wrote:

Latest testing photos he was using forks without stickers that looked more Showa than KYB? (video from mx action) He been KYB while teammates been on...

Latest testing photos he was using forks without stickers that looked more Showa than KYB? (video from mx action)
He been KYB while teammates been on showa before?

PRM31 wrote:

No idea if Eli was trying to save his bike. My question about his technique is why use the clutch ALL the time? He seems to...

No idea if Eli was trying to save his bike. My question about his technique is why use the clutch ALL the time? He seems to have substituted the throttle with the clutch. Every race where some mud impacts the cooling his bike is very hot, or in this case, fails. A clutch is simply not designed for that. There was an interview with his mechanic, last year I think, and he laughed and said Eli’s clutch is replaced after every ride. And he was referring to SX, and very short qualifiers. Clearly he has figured out how to go VERY fast so maybe that will become a thing. But I have to think these DNFs are partially on him. At some point you have to work with the conditions and current level of design and engineering. I’d like to hear what he says.

They need a roll-off screen for the radiator or a small hydraulic actuator on the existing radiator guard to provide a very sharp/quick pop to knock the mud off.

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

kpiper wrote:

It is a Karma thing. My equipment could kill me if it failed badly...so I prefer to treat it with respect. My bike the same. But...

It is a Karma thing. My equipment could kill me if it failed badly...so I prefer to treat it with respect. My bike the same.

But yes, Kawasaki should be embarrassed to say the least.

jemcee wrote:

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks...

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks for you that it broke but to just dump it for someone else to pick up isn't a good look.. Especially when there were people there to hold it up.. It seems he wanted to dump it to make a point and that's lame if you ask me

kpiper wrote:

It is a Karma thing. My equipment could kill me if it failed badly...so I prefer to treat it with respect. My bike the same. But...

It is a Karma thing. My equipment could kill me if it failed badly...so I prefer to treat it with respect. My bike the same.

But yes, Kawasaki should be embarrassed to say the least.

jemcee wrote:

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks...

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks for you that it broke but to just dump it for someone else to pick up isn't a good look.. Especially when there were people there to hold it up.. It seems he wanted to dump it to make a point and that's lame if you ask me

ctbale wrote:

Well said. Who ever down voted this are ignerant

EngIceDave wrote:

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think...

In the future, for events that bad, I would seriously consider mounting a generator, pressure washer and a water tank on their war wagons and think about quick “pit stops” to quickly blow as much mud out of radiators as possible and swap goggles. (10 seconds?)

That may get you that extra needed lap or two
Rider can see and chose lines better, so go faster and avoid death traps

Might be worth it for teams to consider

Skuzzy29 wrote:

Maybe check out Pit Bits! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/08/25/445732/s1200_Fire_Extiguisher.jpg[/img] The GEICO Honda guys did everything they could to try and keep their bikes cool during the motos, including using...

Maybe check out Pit Bits!



The GEICO Honda guys did everything they could to try and keep their bikes cool during the motos, including using a fire extinguisher to spray the radiators when their guys would come in for new goggles.

jemcee wrote:

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks...

It's not so much about the bike for me it's about the mechanic.. He works bloody hard for a lot less money and yes it sucks for you that it broke but to just dump it for someone else to pick up isn't a good look.. Especially when there were people there to hold it up.. It seems he wanted to dump it to make a point and that's lame if you ask me

ctbale wrote:

Well said. Who ever down voted this are ignerant

Momus wrote:

Lol. It's 'ignorant'. Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team. At some point his patience and diplomacy have...

Lol. It's 'ignorant'.

Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team.

At some point his patience and diplomacy have to run out with their substandard bike design and preparation.

He sent a message all the way to the top with that drop.

ctbale wrote:

Well said. Who ever down voted this are ignerant

Momus wrote:

Lol. It's 'ignorant'. Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team. At some point his patience and diplomacy have...

Lol. It's 'ignorant'.

Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team.

At some point his patience and diplomacy have to run out with their substandard bike design and preparation.

He sent a message all the way to the top with that drop.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

What about the diplomacy and patience of Kawasaki during all the mistakes he made in the past specially during SX? You could also said "Kawasaki is...

What about the diplomacy and patience of Kawasaki during all the mistakes he made in the past specially during SX?

You could also said "Kawasaki is higly paying a rider just to be let down for a couple of years delivering a SX championship"

That bike has worked for him during the last 3 MX championships just for him to be droping it like that.

Kawasaki did not drop him after 3 failed SX championships did they?

Momus wrote:

Lol. It's 'ignorant'. Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team. At some point his patience and diplomacy have...

Lol. It's 'ignorant'.

Point is Tomac is a highly paid world champion being let down by his team.

At some point his patience and diplomacy have to run out with their substandard bike design and preparation.

He sent a message all the way to the top with that drop.

Pakoyz250f wrote:

What about the diplomacy and patience of Kawasaki during all the mistakes he made in the past specially during SX? You could also said "Kawasaki is...

What about the diplomacy and patience of Kawasaki during all the mistakes he made in the past specially during SX?

You could also said "Kawasaki is higly paying a rider just to be let down for a couple of years delivering a SX championship"

That bike has worked for him during the last 3 MX championships just for him to be droping it like that.

Kawasaki did not drop him after 3 failed SX championships did they?

Momus wrote:

Dude. Eli has ridden and finished every SX round, bar one in the last 4 years. He has an outstanding record as a rider from an...

Dude.

Eli has ridden and finished every SX round, bar one in the last 4 years.

He has an outstanding record as a rider from an employers point of view.

Many times he has nursed- by backing off and giving up speed and position- an ailing bike to victory or a podium or good finish.

If Kawasaki USA provided him with a bike that was as good as his outsized talent there would be no argument, instead he gets a machine that has chronic problems that good amateurs could fix.

Momus wrote:

Dude. Eli has ridden and finished every SX round, bar one in the last 4 years. He has an outstanding record as a rider from an...

Dude.

Eli has ridden and finished every SX round, bar one in the last 4 years.

He has an outstanding record as a rider from an employers point of view.

Many times he has nursed- by backing off and giving up speed and position- an ailing bike to victory or a podium or good finish.

If Kawasaki USA provided him with a bike that was as good as his outsized talent there would be no argument, instead he gets a machine that has chronic problems that good amateurs could fix.

OLDMOTO wrote:

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four...

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four championships on it, Tomac's bike blows up at every other race. Even though he went from -40 points to -27 points in one race he might as well throw his bike in the dumpster and drive his ass back to Colorado.

OLDMOTO wrote:

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four...

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four championships on it, Tomac's bike blows up at every other race. Even though he went from -40 points to -27 points in one race he might as well throw his bike in the dumpster and drive his ass back to Colorado.

freebroctickle wrote:

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P. The Kawi is not...

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P.

The Kawi is not the best bike out there, by any stretch. But Eli is the best rider, and that's why he can make some mighty good lemonade from that neon green lemon.

OLDMOTO wrote:

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four...

I guess its all over for Tomac now. I read on Vital that Osborne has it in the bag and that even though he's won four championships on it, Tomac's bike blows up at every other race. Even though he went from -40 points to -27 points in one race he might as well throw his bike in the dumpster and drive his ass back to Colorado.

freebroctickle wrote:

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P. The Kawi is not...

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P.

The Kawi is not the best bike out there, by any stretch. But Eli is the best rider, and that's why he can make some mighty good lemonade from that neon green lemon.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto. That bike needs a quart more oil in it...

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto.

That bike needs a quart more oil in it, a jumbo radiator that holds an extra gallon of Engine Ice, 3 extra clutch plates and clutch springs off of a dragster!

freebroctickle wrote:

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P. The Kawi is not...

Tomac's rebound is a testament to HIM, and his incredible talent, not the bike. He could smoke the field kickstarting an H.E.P.

The Kawi is not the best bike out there, by any stretch. But Eli is the best rider, and that's why he can make some mighty good lemonade from that neon green lemon.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto. That bike needs a quart more oil in it...

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto.

That bike needs a quart more oil in it, a jumbo radiator that holds an extra gallon of Engine Ice, 3 extra clutch plates and clutch springs off of a dragster!

freebroctickle wrote:

I'll never forget how the stalling, smoking Kawi 450 basically destroyed Joey Savagty's market share, let's put it that way.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto. That bike needs a quart more oil in it...

Man I bleed green but I was nervous that his bike wasn’t gonna finish that last moto.

That bike needs a quart more oil in it, a jumbo radiator that holds an extra gallon of Engine Ice, 3 extra clutch plates and clutch springs off of a dragster!

freebroctickle wrote:

I'll never forget how the stalling, smoking Kawi 450 basically destroyed Joey Savagty's market share, let's put it that way.

quadzrulebro wrote:

I thought it was the championship choking and injuries that did that.

freebroctickle wrote:

I'll never forget how the stalling, smoking Kawi 450 basically destroyed Joey Savagty's market share, let's put it that way.

quadzrulebro wrote:

I thought it was the championship choking and injuries that did that.

freebroctickle wrote:

I mean, that thing literally would be smoked out on the side of the track every other race, with Savagty going from 4th to DNF. It...

I mean, that thing literally would be smoked out on the side of the track every other race, with Savagty going from 4th to DNF. It was absurd.

quadzrulebro wrote:

I thought it was the championship choking and injuries that did that.

freebroctickle wrote:

I mean, that thing literally would be smoked out on the side of the track every other race, with Savagty going from 4th to DNF. It...

I mean, that thing literally would be smoked out on the side of the track every other race, with Savagty going from 4th to DNF. It was absurd.

280driver wrote:

That is simply not true. His DNFs on the Kawi where due to his wrecks that damaged the bike (snapped foot pegs, bent radiators etc.). He...

That is simply not true. His DNFs on the Kawi where due to his wrecks that damaged the bike (snapped foot pegs, bent radiators etc.). He destroyed his market share himself IMO by how he handled the situation.