Tomac Clutch Problem?

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soggy 10/5/2020 8:33am
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You guys are nutjobs, take this shit over to 4chan
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kpiper 10/5/2020 12:58pm
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It was strange...all his hand movements on the clutch lever. And why the almost 'sudden' stop?

Could have been a bleed issue...if all of a sudden there was no clutch pressure in the lever and so he was kind of banging at it?

I don't think he was going to give up that win for AC though. He seemed like he really wanted it and it would not help AC all that much.

On a side note, maybe Eli is winning again because he is now in 'Tomac beast mode' race shape conditioning-wise? Fastest guy on the track the last three motos.
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JM485 10/5/2020 1:19pm
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This place, I swear.Pinch

If he was faking a clutch issue then why the hell would he give it a test feather coming out of the corner before he got back on it? Not only that, but do you really think he’s coming up with this elaborate ruse to fool the tv crew into thinking he had an issue while leading a pro National with only a somewhat comfortable gap? Give me a break. . .
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ctbale 10/5/2020 1:29pm
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Anybody know what the bonus money difference is between 1st and 2nd for a guy like Eli? $50K ?

Nope, pretty sure him slowing up 5 seconds on that lap was unintentional.
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Hcallz5 10/5/2020 1:57pm
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Won't someone think of the clutch plates??
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kkawboy14 10/5/2020 2:03pm
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tonyd811 wrote:
I really think with the amount of times ET was looking back and the "unique" hand movements trying to fix a clutch that is basically unfixable...
I really think with the amount of times ET was looking back and the "unique" hand movements trying to fix a clutch that is basically unfixable up top (reservoir/lever/perch) that he was trying to help out the team. 100%. I swear dude was doing a wind-out motion at one point as if it was a cable clutch. I commend him on his effort.
Yep!
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resetjet 10/5/2020 4:16pm
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Ive had a hydraulic clutch come back.
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soggy 10/5/2020 4:23pm
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tonyd811 wrote:
I really think with the amount of times ET was looking back and the "unique" hand movements trying to fix a clutch that is basically unfixable...
I really think with the amount of times ET was looking back and the "unique" hand movements trying to fix a clutch that is basically unfixable up top (reservoir/lever/perch) that he was trying to help out the team. 100%. I swear dude was doing a wind-out motion at one point as if it was a cable clutch. I commend him on his effort.
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Yep!
No no and no.
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jasonv43 10/5/2020 4:30pm
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Maybe his leverage ratio was off???

https://motocrossactionmag.com/mxa-tech-spec-10-things-you-need-to-know…

(2) Clutch. Although the 2020 KX450 clutch is hydraulically activated, the clutch itself isn’t very good. We recommend removing the miniaturized fiber plate, ring-like judder spring and flat spacer, and replacing them with one additional full-size clutch plate. Additionally, we run three stiffer Pro Circuit clutch springs. The leverage ratio of the stock clutch lever does not generate enough hydraulic piston movement to release the clutch fully. When your clutch lever hits the two fingers that are still on the grip, the clutch is actually slipping. Even though you think you’ve pulled the clutch in, you haven’t. We went to the guy who builds Eli Tomac’s clutch lever, and he told us to run an ARC Flip-Chip-equipped PowerLever. It allows you to change the leverage ratio and make the clutch disengage at six different points on the lever pull.
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norcal racer 10/5/2020 4:32pm
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He was faking it. Which was cool to see him willing to help AC actually
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Samsquanch Gingerbeard 10/5/2020 6:03pm
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His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera operator was clearly trying to get the shot and they weren't having it.

I don't know why they would do that, but it happened.
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Kennyfreemoney 10/5/2020 6:11pm
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Samsquanch Gingerbeard wrote:
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera...
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera operator was clearly trying to get the shot and they weren't having it.

I don't know why they would do that, but it happened.
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on the bars
Kennyfreemoney 10/5/2020 6:13pm
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Samsquanch Gingerbeard wrote:
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera...
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera operator was clearly trying to get the shot and they weren't having it.

I don't know why they would do that, but it happened.


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kpiper 10/5/2020 6:33pm
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norcal racer wrote:
He was faking it. Which was cool to see him willing to help AC actually
He wasn't trying to give the win to AC. No way.
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kpiper 10/5/2020 6:34pm
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Samsquanch Gingerbeard wrote:
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera...
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera operator was clearly trying to get the shot and they weren't having it.

I don't know why they would do that, but it happened.
Kennyfreemoney wrote:
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on...
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on the bars
Could be they have some kind of gizmo on there for him...especially after LL2.

Of course, I have no idea but someone out there should know.
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Titane 10/6/2020 12:43am
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By the way, I never seen Eli running Handguards .. those last years were rocks in front brake levers so we could see they change the rubber on master cylinder and pull some protections on the master cylinder too, but never ever saw him running handguards ! I know it’s not looking nice on pictures but I guess it could help a lot from those kind of problems .. as he don’t have to mess up with the cable clutch adjuster anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️
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soggy 10/6/2020 5:33am
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He runs hand guards in mud races usually
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Titane 10/6/2020 6:20am
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I remember Roczen wearing handguards all outdoor races .. it’s not only for mud
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Titane wrote:
By the way, I never seen Eli running Handguards .. those last years were rocks in front brake levers so we could see they change the...
By the way, I never seen Eli running Handguards .. those last years were rocks in front brake levers so we could see they change the rubber on master cylinder and pull some protections on the master cylinder too, but never ever saw him running handguards ! I know it’s not looking nice on pictures but I guess it could help a lot from those kind of problems .. as he don’t have to mess up with the cable clutch adjuster anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️
I always loved the handguard look since i was little for some reason... still run them on my cr and kx
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soggy 10/6/2020 6:39am
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Titane wrote:
I remember Roczen wearing handguards all outdoor races .. it’s not only for mud
Right, we are talking about Eli. Some racers use them more often.
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mxaaron 10/6/2020 9:22am
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ti473 wrote:
I think he was just waiting on AC, but once he saw AC still couldn’t pass him he just said Eff it, see ya.
Stamp it....
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motomike137 10/6/2020 12:44pm
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I think he was jacking with Kawasaki. He lit the afterburner when he didn't need to if he was going to be a team player. if he was faking the clutch issue it was more like "hey look I'm having issues with the bike again" but then it solved itself or he really did have a rock in it or air in the line and either way he was in the next zip code at the checkered flag. I would think that he was not thrilled with his bike breaking twice on one day and all this attention AC has been getting when he knows in his heart he is still the guy. Maybe my tin foil hat is too tight I don't know Wink
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Titane 10/6/2020 2:09pm
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Titane wrote:
I remember Roczen wearing handguards all outdoor races .. it’s not only for mud
soggy wrote:
Right, we are talking about Eli. Some racers use them more often.
Thanks man I did not realize
I mean, I talk about a guy who was racing like Eli for championship, it means minimize all problems possible
Dirty Points 10/6/2020 2:26pm
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Samsquanch Gingerbeard wrote:
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera...
His mechanic was 100% hiding the clutch lever from the TV camera with his arm when Eli handed off the bike under the tent. The camera operator was clearly trying to get the shot and they weren't having it.

I don't know why they would do that, but it happened.
Kennyfreemoney wrote:
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on...
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on the bars
kpiper wrote:
Could be they have some kind of gizmo on there for him...especially after LL2.

Of course, I have no idea but someone out there should know.
Yup - all-new gizmo: The team has wired the lever to deliver a painful electric shock after a pre-determined pull count. That's why Eli's lap speeds briefly dropped precipitously until Eli managed to disable the new system by repeatedly pounding on it with his fist, as can be seen in the race footage.

On the podium Tomac reported, "I had a clutch...uh... clutch... hang up."
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Kennyfreemoney wrote:
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on...
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on the bars
kpiper wrote:
Could be they have some kind of gizmo on there for him...especially after LL2.

Of course, I have no idea but someone out there should know.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yup - all-new gizmo: The team has wired the lever to deliver a painful electric shock after a pre-determined pull count. That's why Eli's lap speeds...
Yup - all-new gizmo: The team has wired the lever to deliver a painful electric shock after a pre-determined pull count. That's why Eli's lap speeds briefly dropped precipitously until Eli managed to disable the new system by repeatedly pounding on it with his fist, as can be seen in the race footage.

On the podium Tomac reported, "I had a clutch...uh... clutch... hang up."
That's hilarious.
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soggy 10/6/2020 3:47pm
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Titane wrote:
I remember Roczen wearing handguards all outdoor races .. it’s not only for mud
soggy wrote:
Right, we are talking about Eli. Some racers use them more often.
Titane wrote:
Thanks man I did not realize
I mean, I talk about a guy who was racing like Eli for championship, it means minimize all problems possible
Hand guards can also cause problems
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kpiper 10/6/2020 4:02pm
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Kennyfreemoney wrote:
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on...
I just went back and watched it, I wouldn’t say he hid it on purpose. He was just leaning on the bike with his arm on the bars
kpiper wrote:
Could be they have some kind of gizmo on there for him...especially after LL2.

Of course, I have no idea but someone out there should know.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yup - all-new gizmo: The team has wired the lever to deliver a painful electric shock after a pre-determined pull count. That's why Eli's lap speeds...
Yup - all-new gizmo: The team has wired the lever to deliver a painful electric shock after a pre-determined pull count. That's why Eli's lap speeds briefly dropped precipitously until Eli managed to disable the new system by repeatedly pounding on it with his fist, as can be seen in the race footage.

On the podium Tomac reported, "I had a clutch...uh... clutch... hang up."
See! I knew someone out there had the inside story. Too good.

He got shocked and almost stopped for a moment until he figured out what happened. Kind of like the electric dog fence.
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