To the track builders of 2017

greenmx5
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Please make the tracks more technical. No more of this cookie cutter bullshit. Last time we saw a technical track was toronto 2014 and Stewart demolished the field. David vuilleman was right on pulp mx when he said guys now days don't know how to ride. You make a track semi difficult and a guy like James can have a mid pack start, pass all the current stars, and gap them. Go back to tracks of the 90s and tell me how many guys would destroy those tracks.
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Bodieg3 12/4/2016 5:12am
12/4/2016 5:12am
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was decided n first turn then follow the leader for 20 laps
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kmp1219 12/4/2016 6:53am
12/4/2016 6:53am
Bodieg3 wrote:
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was...
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was decided n first turn then follow the leader for 20 laps
Wrong on all accounts
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cameron96 12/4/2016 6:55am
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Bodieg3 wrote:
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was...
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was decided n first turn then follow the leader for 20 laps
Toronto 2014 be started way back and passed everyone. He was almost 2 Seconds a laps faster I'd say

No one else was quading or triple triple, or tire tapping.
He was just Bubba
rocketsocks26 12/4/2016 7:14am
12/4/2016 7:14am
that Toronto track was insane!!!! as for stewart, yes he did make everyone look like a bunch of novices, and I agree the tracks of today are very basic compared to the 2 stroke era

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Johnny Depp 12/4/2016 7:14am
12/4/2016 7:14am
I am looking for less separation, not more. Something unpredictable like what Endurcross has devised that shakes things up, especially for the leaders. A crash fest if you will.
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Huevos 12/4/2016 10:00am
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Bodieg3 wrote:
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was...
That was one of the most 1 lined tracks ever built ! Didn't he get holeshot n that race ? The winner of that race was decided n first turn then follow the leader for 20 laps
kmp1219 wrote:
Wrong on all accounts
Laughing Seriously... someone needs to rewatch that race because that was one of the best races of this decade.
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cheers_22 12/4/2016 10:03am
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greenmx5 wrote:
Please make the tracks more technical. No more of this cookie cutter bullshit. Last time we saw a technical track was toronto 2014 and Stewart demolished...
Please make the tracks more technical. No more of this cookie cutter bullshit. Last time we saw a technical track was toronto 2014 and Stewart demolished the field. David vuilleman was right on pulp mx when he said guys now days don't know how to ride. You make a track semi difficult and a guy like James can have a mid pack start, pass all the current stars, and gap them. Go back to tracks of the 90s and tell me how many guys would destroy those tracks.
I'll x2 this all day
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kaptkaos 12/4/2016 10:19am
12/4/2016 10:19am
Endurocross is crap and hard to watch
sbarrington314 12/4/2016 11:30am
12/4/2016 11:30am
They have had similar layouts to Toronto 2014. I think the way the dirt develops is another factor. And might be one that they don't have much control over.


I'd like to see them use the 2009 St Louis turns that crossed the start straight more often.
aFACEdismembered 12/4/2016 12:05pm
12/4/2016 12:05pm
Don't groom the whoops all day. Just let them turn in to a mine field and the good riders will figure out how to get through them consistently, not just blitz them or fail.
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wildbill 12/4/2016 1:07pm
12/4/2016 1:07pm
Give Pastrana a try, again. He nailed it in a strange unorthodox way in St. Louis in 09.

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zehn 12/4/2016 1:11pm
12/4/2016 1:11pm
Every time we get a technical track, the riders either tip-toe around it or crash their brains out and people complain
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Sully22 12/4/2016 1:27pm
12/4/2016 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/4/2016 1:56pm
I agree 110%. The problem I see is most guys practice on tracks built similar to what they race on where everything is perfectly groomed and rounded, you throw in a bunch of technical obstacles on race day and they crash their brains out and half the field is depleted at 1 round. I'd like to see more technical tracks/sections gradually introduced / communicated with the riders so they can prepare and decide how to ride it. Also, bring in a handful of riders from all pro skill levels so they have a say/input.
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MXMattii 12/4/2016 1:37pm
12/4/2016 1:37pm
The SX track of Geneva was nice and technical! And I keep telling everyone who wants to hear it, bring TP199 back to the drawing board! Also Mike Larocco and those guys did an amazing job back in 20?? when all 'old heroes' where drawing tracks for the series. And I hope Daytona goes back to layout style end '90 begin '00. White sand jumps all others dark sand.
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zehn 12/4/2016 2:03pm
12/4/2016 2:03pm
MXMattii wrote:
The SX track of Geneva was nice and technical! And I keep telling everyone who wants to hear it, bring TP199 back to the drawing board...
The SX track of Geneva was nice and technical! And I keep telling everyone who wants to hear it, bring TP199 back to the drawing board! Also Mike Larocco and those guys did an amazing job back in 20?? when all 'old heroes' where drawing tracks for the series. And I hope Daytona goes back to layout style end '90 begin '00. White sand jumps all others dark sand.
Geneva was also a ~40 second lap time track
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kott0n 12/4/2016 2:16pm
12/4/2016 2:16pm
Man that 2014 Toronto race was awesome! Just saw it for the first time.
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kiwifan 12/4/2016 2:51pm
12/4/2016 2:51pm
I kind of agree with the OP, a more technical track that takes around 1m20s to lap and for 20 laps would be awesome....but its fitting the stuff into the night timeline that is the constraint? Perhaps the night show could start earlier.

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brimx153 12/4/2016 3:20pm
12/4/2016 3:20pm
Just put in higher berms ,and at least 5, 180 turns , i could care less about the jump s, i just want to see some dam good racing . ps making the tracks more technical will just widen the gap from Dungey ,Ken and Eli .
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langhammx 12/4/2016 3:23pm
12/4/2016 3:23pm
I doubt the tracks will get more technical, but the "timed" racing should change things up a bit. If the 20 minute, plus 2 lap 450 main rumors are true, we will all benefit from additional track time.
The race only lasted for 14:38 minutes @ Santa Clara SX last year. (44.1 second lap times) It would extend that race as much as 7 minutes with a 20 minute, +2 lap race schedule.

These races would also see races into the 25+ laps

Indy- 15:43
SD 1- 16:34
Atlanta- 15:26
Detroit 15:53
East Rutherford- 15:13
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MXMattii 12/4/2016 3:52pm
12/4/2016 3:52pm
MXMattii wrote:
The SX track of Geneva was nice and technical! And I keep telling everyone who wants to hear it, bring TP199 back to the drawing board...
The SX track of Geneva was nice and technical! And I keep telling everyone who wants to hear it, bring TP199 back to the drawing board! Also Mike Larocco and those guys did an amazing job back in 20?? when all 'old heroes' where drawing tracks for the series. And I hope Daytona goes back to layout style end '90 begin '00. White sand jumps all others dark sand.
zehn wrote:
Geneva was also a ~40 second lap time track
You can't build a track bigger then the arena itself. But the rhythms, dirt, whoops, ... all very technical.
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greenmx5 12/4/2016 9:30pm
12/4/2016 9:30pm
kiwifan wrote:
I kind of agree with the OP, a more technical track that takes around 1m20s to lap and for 20 laps would be awesome....but its fitting...
I kind of agree with the OP, a more technical track that takes around 1m20s to lap and for 20 laps would be awesome....but its fitting the stuff into the night timeline that is the constraint? Perhaps the night show could start earlier.
Make timed mains and that solves the issue there. Then they can plan the time slots accordingly.

Daytona was one of the last SX tracks to go down the road of being a cookie cutter. I remember this year Ricky got terrible feedback about making it shorter. Guess it's just politics.

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