Tm 300 gets fuel injection....

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Edited Date/Time 11/9/2018 2:10pm
Not sure if this is old news or not but heres a link witha video from the show in italy.....https://moto-station.com/moto-verte/actu/tm-degainent-ses-enduros-2t-a-…






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Johnny Depp 11/7/2018 8:20am
11/7/2018 8:20am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 8:25am
1st I've seen it, there is new stuff popping daily at the EICMA this week. That looks production, not sure what the big plastic housing is on the right side? It looks like a Continental system, with TPI like the Austrians. I assumed it was an MX model, but clicking the link reveals it is an Enduro so may be tuned for emissions rather than peak race power? I don't think this will be the last FI 2t revealed at the show.
metal_miracle 11/7/2018 8:26am
11/7/2018 8:26am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 8:27am
the big plastic above the cylinder is powervalve cover (Metal rod instead of wire now)
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SmokinJoe439 11/7/2018 8:50am
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Cool i knew it was coming out for 19 interesting the oil tank is in the frame spar.
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Talisker 11/7/2018 10:13am
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Sweeeet!!! Its only a matter of time before a certain Japanese brand , or Japanese brands, have to answer.

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tek14 11/7/2018 10:34am
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Talisker wrote:
Sweeeet!!! Its only a matter of time before a certain Japanese brand , or Japanese brands, have to answer.
Do they even make 2-strokes?
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cablecable 11/7/2018 11:59am
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they can make fuel injection, but cant design the shroud to cover the radiator cap? that thing get knocked off 1st deep rut you come across
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mwr 11/7/2018 12:53pm
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cablecable wrote:
they can make fuel injection, but cant design the shroud to cover the radiator cap? that thing get knocked off 1st deep rut you come across
That does not happen.
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ML512 11/7/2018 12:55pm
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mwr wrote:
That does not happen.
We had one get squashed down from a rider's leg...
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I like how they put the oil in the frame though!
Derek Harris 11/7/2018 2:05pm
11/7/2018 2:05pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2018 2:05pm
250 and 300 for 2019 are counterbalanced, redesigned and lightened engines

The USA models are not imported as EFI - keep costs down and weight minimal - but ARE estart (still optional to go kick start)

EFI available to any USA consumer upon preorder/request but Ralf and most the dealers felt the beauty of the 2 stroke for most - is simplicity.
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cablecable wrote:
they can make fuel injection, but cant design the shroud to cover the radiator cap? that thing get knocked off 1st deep rut you come across
mwr wrote:
That does not happen.
It looks like bike in the YouTube video has much lower radiator cap position


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smezmx 11/8/2018 3:29am
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Nice Factory tm at the show....



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Derek Harris 11/8/2018 9:57am
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What's cool is you can buy that integrated carbon subframe/gas tank from tm and the carbon air box

I've been drooling over the subframe.


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GuyB 11/8/2018 10:12am
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How many of you are going to step up and buy one?
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Derek Harris wrote:
Good question! If you are in texas and want to demo a 250f let me know [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301190/s1200_70915FF8_BE8A_454E_8F8D_C272AC8B9268.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301189/s1200_4B9FB620_5B49_409F_8954_6DC369BFEDE0.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301188/s1200_4CC17B63_C50E_4CD5_97C9_477E37984270.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301191/s1200_7DA9AEC0_D6AC_4ED5_92AD_256CEF2EFD35.jpg[/img]
Good question!
If you are in texas and want to demo a 250f let me know




Derek, you are a TM dealer is that correct? If that is right any chance you can provide a 250F for the Vital MX 250F shootout? It's about time the TM brand was featured in Vital's shootouts and it was disappointing not to see (again) the TM 450F in the 450 shootout.
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smezmx wrote:
Not sure if this is old news or not but heres a link witha video from the show in italy.....https://moto-station.com/moto-verte/actu/tm-degainent-ses-enduros-2t-a-injection/408037?fbclid=IwAR3cupM5R5Zr5GS-ezCLvllK34oaUBc1j1HTBdra7C_doeUhXbusVsNrhUs [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300810/s1200_IMG_7477.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300813/s1200_IMG_7472.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300811/s1200_IMG_7473.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300812/s1200_IMG_7474.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300814/s1200_IMG_7475.jpg[/img]
Not sure if this is old news or not but heres a link witha video from the show in italy.....https://moto-station.com/moto-verte/actu/tm-degainent-ses-enduros-2t-a-…






What they don’t advertise is you need the $2,000 programmer to tune the EFI models
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Robgvx 11/8/2018 2:09pm
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smezmx wrote:
Nice Factory tm at the show.... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301110/s1200_IMG_7486.jpg[/img]
Nice Factory tm at the show....



Chain’s tight....
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smezmx wrote:
Nice Factory tm at the show.... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301110/s1200_IMG_7486.jpg[/img]
Nice Factory tm at the show....



Robgvx wrote:
Chain’s tight....
Tell me one man who has ever not ridden anything because it was “too tight”
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GrapeApe 11/8/2018 2:26pm
11/8/2018 2:26pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2018 2:57pm
smezmx wrote:
Nice Factory tm at the show.... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/08/301110/s1200_IMG_7486.jpg[/img]
Nice Factory tm at the show....



This is going to be rather unpopular with those on here that really like their niche brands, but that is the ugliest factory bike I have ever witnessed. It looks like it weighs 350 pounds sitting still, and the graphics look like something on a kids' toy. May be a great bike, but is there not anybody at TM thinking about aesthetics? There was a time I really liked how the TM's looked, but they have really lost their way. Looks like the illegitimate child of a mid aughts-YZF, CRF, and Shamu.

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Derek Harris 11/8/2018 4:29pm
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Sir wrote:
Derek, you are a TM dealer is that correct? If that is right any chance you can provide a 250F for the Vital MX 250F shootout...
Derek, you are a TM dealer is that correct? If that is right any chance you can provide a 250F for the Vital MX 250F shootout? It's about time the TM brand was featured in Vital's shootouts and it was disappointing not to see (again) the TM 450F in the 450 shootout.
I had considered it - but

If I were made of money - which I sadly am not
Or had more time - which I've been slacking typing on vital - I'd love to be involved in the shootout by bringing my bike and getting to ride the others (but not being a part of the official results) - like a cali moto vacation.

But for me - the time lost, which is money for me, and the wear and tear - to very likely NOT finish first - wouldn't do much good.

The TM has it's place - and I LOVE my 250f - but it's not the best production bike. I think it's one of the best if not THE best handling bikes, and the engine layout has HUGE potential to make insane power which I will explore this year after I get some demos and hours on the thing (sitting at 3 hours right now)

One issue this year - the 19 450 wasn't stateside when the 450 shootout was being done. I think 3 weeks behind or so.

A birdie has told me that possibly next year you should see some TM's in a shootout or two.

If I had to wager - for a pro level rider, the TM would finish slightly ahead of the honda in overall results.



Derek Harris 11/8/2018 4:40pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
This is going to be rather unpopular with those on here that really like their niche brands, but that is the ugliest factory bike I have...
This is going to be rather unpopular with those on here that really like their niche brands, but that is the ugliest factory bike I have ever witnessed. It looks like it weighs 350 pounds sitting still, and the graphics look like something on a kids' toy. May be a great bike, but is there not anybody at TM thinking about aesthetics? There was a time I really liked how the TM's looked, but they have really lost their way. Looks like the illegitimate child of a mid aughts-YZF, CRF, and Shamu.

I think my 250f looks awesome..but of course that's after buying it I'm sure there is some Freudian underlayment.

You have to remember the air box is where the gas tank usually is (looks big) and the gas tank is where the air box usually is - cant even see it in that photo.

The engine DOES look big on the 450 head wise
My 250f engine looks TINY in the head area. Off hand - with the estart, spring SSS fork, and kickstarter STILL on (can be removed) the tm450 is within 2 lbs of yzf (I might be wrong - but that's what I recall)

Rumor is the 2020 450 will be heavily updated - as the engine is a very old platform for TM - which has had HUGE success in supermoto.

At MXDN - I'll say that "tank" shown was a missile - clearly was one of the hardest pulling bikes on track - and Nagl went from near holeshot to crash to dead last - all the way up to past Roczen in the last moto when roczen was up front and went back.
So maybe the Indian was just skilled that day - but I'd say his Arrow had to be quite good as well - to catch and pass 30+ riders including roczen
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Derek Harris 11/8/2018 4:42pm
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smezmx wrote:
Not sure if this is old news or not but heres a link witha video from the show in italy.....https://moto-station.com/moto-verte/actu/tm-degainent-ses-enduros-2t-a-injection/408037?fbclid=IwAR3cupM5R5Zr5GS-ezCLvllK34oaUBc1j1HTBdra7C_doeUhXbusVsNrhUs [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300810/s1200_IMG_7477.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300813/s1200_IMG_7472.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300811/s1200_IMG_7473.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300812/s1200_IMG_7474.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/11/07/300814/s1200_IMG_7475.jpg[/img]
Not sure if this is old news or not but heres a link witha video from the show in italy.....https://moto-station.com/moto-verte/actu/tm-degainent-ses-enduros-2t-a-…






cheers_22 wrote:
What they don’t advertise is you need the $2,000 programmer to tune the EFI models
True dat...on the old models

although not true for the 19 250f and 2 stroke efi models.

350 bucks for a connect cable and "license" and you can tune your life away - on all the bikes with one cable.
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Graybeard 11/8/2018 4:55pm
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Derek Harris wrote:
250 and 300 for 2019 are counterbalanced, redesigned and lightened engines The USA models are not imported as EFI - keep costs down and weight minimal...
250 and 300 for 2019 are counterbalanced, redesigned and lightened engines

The USA models are not imported as EFI - keep costs down and weight minimal - but ARE estart (still optional to go kick start)

EFI available to any USA consumer upon preorder/request but Ralf and most the dealers felt the beauty of the 2 stroke for most - is simplicity.
Derek,

Have you had a chance to ride the 300 2T? I'm VERY happy with my '18 CRF450R, but want to know how a TM 300 2T would stack up for a 55+ B rider--I picked up a TM125 earlier this yer as a play bike and fell in love with TMs.

Thanks,

Brian
The Fast Guy 11/8/2018 7:11pm
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I visited the TM factory last year while I was on vacation and I saw that 300 in prototype form on the dyno. It was the only thing in the factory I was not allowed to take pictures of. That said....I absolutely love my 300 2T. It is by far the best stock bike I have ever had. The only bike I pulled out of the crate, put fuel in it and went racing! They are amazing machines.

The people that build these bikes are so proud of what they do and take such care in their craft. Impeccable welds, hand finishing and the ability to customize in the factory before it ships to you is unlike any other manufacturer in the world!

FORZA TM!!!

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22491559_1021157790413696…

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22365600_1021157790245692…

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22406556_1021157790057687…

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22449743_1021157790037687…
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The Fast Guy 11/8/2018 7:15pm
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Heres a few more links to pics

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211577899416850&set=pb.104622…

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211577899376849&set=pb.104622…

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211577897256796&set=pb.104622…

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211577895896762&set=pb.104622…

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211577898496827&set=pb.104622…
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Derek Harris 11/8/2018 8:25pm
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Graybeard wrote:
Derek, Have you had a chance to ride the 300 2T? I'm VERY happy with my '18 CRF450R, but want to know how a TM 300...
Derek,

Have you had a chance to ride the 300 2T? I'm VERY happy with my '18 CRF450R, but want to know how a TM 300 2T would stack up for a 55+ B rider--I picked up a TM125 earlier this yer as a play bike and fell in love with TMs.

Thanks,

Brian
Not the new one - which for the the USA will be a carb (but estart) unless you custom order (made to order) an efi bike

The 18 and previous model is always well received - great handling, durable engine that has good power

Word is the new bike with the counterbalancer transforms the old two stroke experience to a pleasant non vibrating torquey bike. Ill try to get one on my next round of bikes - but most have already been pre sold (I presold the one I ordered already)

Moving forward im really excited for the new 250 and 300 - they blow a stock yz out of the water and this new bike should be a genuine contendor vs the ktm - where each bike has their strong suits user preference

Most riders will be faster on a 450 - but with a little massaging the 300 can produce on par power and light weight feel - electric start is a huge plus too

Hopefully the magazines take interest in the 300 and give it a fair shake
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Graybeard 11/9/2018 2:10pm
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Derek Harris wrote:
Not the new one - which for the the USA will be a carb (but estart) unless you custom order (made to order) an efi bike...
Not the new one - which for the the USA will be a carb (but estart) unless you custom order (made to order) an efi bike

The 18 and previous model is always well received - great handling, durable engine that has good power

Word is the new bike with the counterbalancer transforms the old two stroke experience to a pleasant non vibrating torquey bike. Ill try to get one on my next round of bikes - but most have already been pre sold (I presold the one I ordered already)

Moving forward im really excited for the new 250 and 300 - they blow a stock yz out of the water and this new bike should be a genuine contendor vs the ktm - where each bike has their strong suits user preference

Most riders will be faster on a 450 - but with a little massaging the 300 can produce on par power and light weight feel - electric start is a huge plus too

Hopefully the magazines take interest in the 300 and give it a fair shake
Thanks, I’ll be looking for you at the track and keep an eye out for the 300!

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