Tired of bending bar mounts......

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9/13/2021 6:15 AM

Unlike most of you guys - I Crash.
I crash hard.
Bend a lot of bar mounts in the process -
Do you have any tips - besides don't crash - to stop this madness ?

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9/13/2021 6:18 AM

What bike are you riding? On my KTM I bent the stock ones in a crash, replaced them with a set of Ride Engineering bar mounts and have never had another issue. They will twist within the rubber mounts in the top triple clamp in a hard enough crash but all I have to do is take them apart and reassemble to straighten it all out.

The Ride Engineering mounts I have are a single joined top and bottom mount vs the individual bottom mounts on the stock KTMs.

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9/13/2021 6:36 AM

Ride engineering is crap. Go with Luxon or BRP. My opinion of course.....

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9/13/2021 6:44 AM

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9/13/2021 7:27 AM

I put the ride engineering bar clamp on my Yamaha and it's helped stop the bars from twisting when I lay it over. It's very beefy, seems to be well made.

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9/13/2021 8:00 AM

Are you riding something with rubber mounted bars? If so, switch to a clamp that allows for solid mounts. Stops those stupid little cones from deforming. Or-just keep an extra set on hand, they’re cheap enough. Plus a one piece top mount like others have suggested

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9/13/2021 8:15 AM

Go to 7/8" bars and the bar will bend before the posts in the handlebar holder. The energy has to go somewhere and the larger handlebars are not the weakest point on this system.

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9/13/2021 8:15 AM

SrfNdirt wrote:

Ride engineering is crap. Go with Luxon or BRP. My opinion of course.....

Luxon for me. Top notch quality and customer service. 18 CRF 450.

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9/13/2021 8:47 AM

Luxon! Absolute dynamite!

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9/13/2021 5:06 PM

Another vote for Luxon.

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9/13/2021 6:04 PM

Luxon solved my issues with the stock KTM bar mounts that bend.

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9/13/2021 6:20 PM

Xtrig oem Phds mounts.

Rubber supported bars with solid cones. I absolutely love mine, especially with the green polymer.

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9/13/2021 6:34 PM

luxon appears to use 'data' and 'testing' to inform engineering decisions. crazy!

...another vote for luxon

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9/13/2021 7:06 PM

Billy spares no analysis when designing his parts, another Luxon vote here.

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9/14/2021 4:29 AM

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Billy at Luxon makes an awesome product. The previous gen KTM triple clamps are on sale for $299 which is a crazy deal comes with ti hardware bar mounts etc.
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9/14/2021 4:39 AM

I looked around a good bit and would have gone Luxon for sure, if i hadn't been in a rush and another country, although I think their international post right now is pretty damn fast.

Went with a replacement set of X Trig PHDS and they'll do fine for now, but obviously aren't ideal.

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9/14/2021 7:18 AM

What bike so you have? Not sure if rg3 is still around and if they still make clamps, but i had an upper with a dual post mount and worked really well, can either get rubber or solid cones i believe.

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9/14/2021 8:55 AM

Having to tighten 8 bolts on those ride engineering bar mounts is ridiculous.

Buy the Luxon ones

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9/14/2021 9:01 AM

On my KX450.....i use the Xtrig PHDS mounts with the OEM triple clamp. Works great and takes away the rubber mounting which is prone to twisting.

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9/14/2021 9:34 AM

I replaced my stock mounts with some cheap ProTaper 1 1/8 mounts that have a replaceable shaft. They only cost like $37.

Replacement shafts are like $6. It doesn't stop them from bending, but it is a cheap solution.

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9/14/2021 10:23 AM

SrfNdirt wrote:

Ride engineering is crap. Go with Luxon or BRP. My opinion of course.....

“Ride engineering is crap.”

Please elaborate. Genuinely curious of your opinion. Personally I’ve had great success with their bar mounts.

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9/14/2021 10:28 AM

murph783 wrote:

Are you riding something with rubber mounted bars? If so, switch to a clamp that allows for solid mounts. Stops those stupid ...more

Or a cheaper option is to get machined aluminum or composite cones that replace the rubber in your stock mounts. I went with aluminum on my KX 450 and no issues. Been running the same ones since ‘16 on my current and last bike.

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9/14/2021 11:03 AM

Assuming you want to keep a rubber isolated bar mount...

The best design for a bar mount I've ever used or seen was the RG3 top clamp with dual mounting points on each side.
Does RG3 still make and sell clamps? They seem to have all but disappeared from the MX industry.

The X-Trig clamp and bar mount system is also super strong considering that they maintain the rubber isolated bar mounts. On the other hand, that bar clamp has way too many parts and it's a bit more of a pain in the ass to work on than a traditional type of mount.

I haven't purchased any Luxon stuff yet, but the owner of the company sure seems like he's got good design intuition as well as a good understanding of the analytical engineering process. The way he has the lower mounts tied together on his system looks very strong.

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9/14/2021 11:11 AM

SrfNdirt wrote:

Ride engineering is crap. Go with Luxon or BRP. My opinion of course.....

RCMXracing wrote:

“Ride engineering is crap.”

Please elaborate. Genuinely curious of your opinion. Personally I’ve had great success with ...more

1. They need 8 bolts to do the job of 4.
2. Call the guy up and see how that goes

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9/14/2021 11:53 AM

Hello, i am the owner of crappy Ride Engineering. The reason we use 8 pinch bolts instead of 4 is to create a better structure for our bar mount so that it resists twisting better if you fall over in a corner. We dont just rely on the one-piece top. Think of the roof on a house or a bridge. 8 beams will be harder to knock over than 4. As far as replacing the polymers with aluminum, we believe rubber mounting adds comfort and reduces vibration. That's why we design all our triple clamps that way.

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9/14/2021 12:48 PM

Bruce372 wrote:

1. They need 8 bolts to do the job of 4.
2. Call the guy up and see how that goes

I don’t see how that makes them crap. I think it actually makes you lazy. Run them in with an impact and tighten them down. It’s an extra 4 bolts. I bet you move or remove your bars less than a handful of times a year.

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9/14/2021 1:20 PM

First off, thanks to everyone above who recommended us, it’s awesome to see so much good feedback about our products!

Twisting of the KTM/Husky stock bar mounts is a real issue for most riders. There are various aftermarket bar mounts available to fix this problem. Most work well, but they each have their pros and cons. Engineering a good set of bar mounts (or anything, really) is all about compromise, or more specifically, making the right compromise for your overall design goals.

One fitting example of this compromise is the number of pinch bolts used. We use a “traditional” four bolt setup, two per side. There aren’t really many options here – one bolt per side clearly won’t work (without some odd sort of hook system on the opposing side), two per side is standard, three would be an odd choice, four per side is a lot of bolts (but might work better?), and any more than that gets ridiculous.

From an anti-twist standpoint, more bolts is better. The bars twist up because they slip in one side of the mounts while they don’t in the other side. The rubber cones allow this movement to happen and the bars end up twisted. With more bolts, you can generate more clamping force on the bars, which reduces the chances of them slipping. All good, right?

But it’s not that straight forward… with four bolts per side (like Ride Engineering’s design) it requires a reduction in bolt size from M8 to M6 so everything fits in a reasonable space. But M6 bolts don’t generate as much clamping force as M8 bolts. Four M6 bolts can generate only about 5-30% more clamping load than two M8 bolts (dependent on torque spec used, you can play with our bolt torque calculator available here if you’re interested in the numbers: https://www.luxonmx.com/resources.html).

This brings us back to the engineering compromise I mentioned earlier. Is the extra weight, complexity, and hassle of torquing down twice as many bolts worth it for only an added 1/10 - 1/3 improvement in clamp load? We think not, and we go about fixing the twisting issue in a much more efficient way for an overall stronger and lighter bar mount setup that still allows the use of rubber cones instead of resorting to solid cones (that give a harsh ride and lots of vibration). Our mounts are a bit more expensive than most options available, but if you want the lightest anti-twist mount that works well, it may be worth it to you.

You can read A LOT more about this subject in our blog post I wrote about this exact problem. This should answer most questions people may have, but if not, feel free to shoot me an email!

https://www.luxonmx.com/blog-luxon-bar-mount-fix-ktm-husqvarna-twisting.html

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9/14/2021 2:02 PM

Those Luxon bar mounts are pretty nice!

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9/14/2021 2:11 PM

RCMXracing wrote:

“Ride engineering is crap.”

Please elaborate. Genuinely curious of your opinion. Personally I’ve had great success with ...more

Bruce372 wrote:

1. They need 8 bolts to do the job of 4.
2. Call the guy up and see how that goes

Mr. Afterbar wrote:

I don’t see how that makes them crap. I think it actually makes you lazy. Run them in with an impact and tighten them down. It ...more

Yes, I am lazy. I dont wanna do up 8 bolts when 4 do just fine.

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9/14/2021 7:56 PM

SrfNdirt wrote:

Ride engineering is crap. Go with Luxon or BRP. My opinion of course.....

RCMXracing wrote:

“Ride engineering is crap.”

Please elaborate. Genuinely curious of your opinion. Personally I’ve had great success with ...more

Honestly, the part looked like it was made in China. Just holding in my hand it seemed very cheap and the mounts ended up twisting in a tip over. IMO there's no comparison to the BRP unit I replaced it with.

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