Ti footpeg brackets

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Edited Date/Time 11/3/2021 12:30am
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quadzrulebro 10/31/2021 11:50am
10/31/2021 11:50am
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
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quadzrulebro 10/31/2021 2:45pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Well tell us the experience then bud.
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Well tell us the experience then bud.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and...
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either.

With that said, not everyone designing aftermarket parts is qualified to do so. (Look at Luxon MX for what real engineered parts look like). Most aftermarket ends up being sort of a use at your own risk situation.
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dirtwalker 10/31/2021 3:10pm
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Well tell us the experience then bud.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and...
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
Where did it break?
dirtbikefreak 10/31/2021 5:17pm
10/31/2021 5:17pm
I have already installed fcp racing peg pins and pro pegs titanium footpegs... does the same apply for these parts as well?
quadzrulebro 11/1/2021 3:39am
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Well tell us the experience then bud.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and...
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
dirtwalker wrote:
Where did it break?
Top corner. The part failed under heavy load going up a jump face. When it failed, it caused all my weight to fall on the seat, seat bouncing me into a colossal endo.
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Motofinne 11/1/2021 4:14am
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Just got a 2020 YZ450F with 76h on it and there is some play in the footpegs/brackets so i thought about getting these.
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SilverSpurs 11/1/2021 8:37am
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
Photo and details of the failure please.

Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from the stuff.
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Photo and details of the failure please. Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from...
Photo and details of the failure please.

Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from the stuff.
Come on man, Grade 5 -6al 4v titanium isn’t worth a fuck. I wouldn’t use it for a homeless guys shopping cart.
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For this part....i would stick with stock IMO. On the current 2019+ KX450's.....The footpeg bracket is made of aluminum. Over time the pin moves and creates more play than I want. On this application....we go to steel from different bike years. It takes around 40 hours for the play to get annoying and make the bike feel clappy. Titanium would work on this bike but i'm not sure if it would react better than steel and would hate to find out.
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Skerby 11/1/2021 9:40am
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I have broken the steel brackets that come on aluminum framed YZs. Not a total failure but cracked at the pin hole. Everything fatigues eventually.

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Titanium 11/1/2021 10:17am
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Care to share what brand it was you broke? Star team uses Racetech brackets
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JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:
Well tell us the experience then bud.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and...
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
Broseph wrote:
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either. With that said...
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either.

With that said, not everyone designing aftermarket parts is qualified to do so. (Look at Luxon MX for what real engineered parts look like). Most aftermarket ends up being sort of a use at your own risk situation.
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else.

I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on the '06 Kawasaki KX450: we always kept good pins in them and kept'em lubricated. We used a lubricant that was like a thick version of Anti-Seize. Some people had issues the Kawi peg mounts wearing out/elongated holes. We didn't have any problems. We even ran them in 2008 on Jiri Dostal's bikes.
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BigBoreFan58 11/1/2021 12:05pm
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Kawi's and loose foot pegs is just normal, it's part of the Kawi experience IMO. Just like Honda and their nice clutch perch and lever. Every bike has it's nuances.
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and...
Broken neck caused by a failed Ti footpeg bracket. An engineer buddy of mine was telling me that Ti doesn’t like to be flexed over and over (what happens to footpeg bracket) and when it does, it eventually fails. Apparently that is why you don’t see Ti bars.
Broseph wrote:
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either. With that said...
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either.

With that said, not everyone designing aftermarket parts is qualified to do so. (Look at Luxon MX for what real engineered parts look like). Most aftermarket ends up being sort of a use at your own risk situation.
TeamGreen wrote:
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else. I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on...
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else.

I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on the '06 Kawasaki KX450: we always kept good pins in them and kept'em lubricated. We used a lubricant that was like a thick version of Anti-Seize. Some people had issues the Kawi peg mounts wearing out/elongated holes. We didn't have any problems. We even ran them in 2008 on Jiri Dostal's bikes.
Who is “We” ? Tongue

And where were you this weekend ?
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Broseph wrote:
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either. With that said...
Titanium performs well under fatigue. Way better than aluminum in fact. A footpeg mount is not even a fully reversed load scenario either.

With that said, not everyone designing aftermarket parts is qualified to do so. (Look at Luxon MX for what real engineered parts look like). Most aftermarket ends up being sort of a use at your own risk situation.
TeamGreen wrote:
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else. I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on...
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else.

I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on the '06 Kawasaki KX450: we always kept good pins in them and kept'em lubricated. We used a lubricant that was like a thick version of Anti-Seize. Some people had issues the Kawi peg mounts wearing out/elongated holes. We didn't have any problems. We even ran them in 2008 on Jiri Dostal's bikes.
Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
Who is “We” ? Tongue

And where were you this weekend ?
The folks at MDK (engine builders), Todd Thompson(mechanic), Jiri...and some very generous people at Kawasaki.

I'l be back home on Sunday.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else. I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on...
Great points. Also, not many people maintain their titanium parts as needed. Ti wears out just like anything-else.

I recall the Ti foot peg mounts on the '06 Kawasaki KX450: we always kept good pins in them and kept'em lubricated. We used a lubricant that was like a thick version of Anti-Seize. Some people had issues the Kawi peg mounts wearing out/elongated holes. We didn't have any problems. We even ran them in 2008 on Jiri Dostal's bikes.
Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
Who is “We” ? Tongue

And where were you this weekend ?
TeamGreen wrote:
The folks at MDK (engine builders), Todd Thompson(mechanic), Jiri...and some very generous people at Kawasaki.

I'l be back home on Sunday.
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Who makes the best footpeg lowering brackets?
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kennyc wrote:
Who makes the best footpeg lowering brackets?
I run System Tech Racing on my CRF and love them fwiw. Pro Pegs have a slight upward sweep so this helped get them back to stock feel.
dirtwalker 11/2/2021 2:45am
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Skerby wrote:
I have broken the steel brackets that come on aluminum framed YZs. Not a total failure but cracked at the pin hole. Everything fatigues eventually.

This sounds like a premature failure quadsrulebro is talking about. Photos of the fracture surfaces would go some way to understanding what went wrong. There is a long long list of possible causes and many have nothing to whether it was titanium.
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SilverSpurs 11/2/2021 5:18am
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quadzrulebro wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience that Ti footpeg brackets are a very bad idea.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Photo and details of the failure please. Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from...
Photo and details of the failure please.

Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from the stuff.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Come on man, Grade 5 -6al 4v titanium isn’t worth a fuck. I wouldn’t use it for a homeless guys shopping cart.
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent?

LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's.

Everything that is now steel in MX would be titanium if it didn't cost 20 to 50 times as much for the material.


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SilverSpurs wrote:
Photo and details of the failure please. Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from...
Photo and details of the failure please.

Grade 5 - 6al 4v titanium is as strong as good steel- I've made large numbers of parts from the stuff.
Sandusky26 wrote:
Come on man, Grade 5 -6al 4v titanium isn’t worth a fuck. I wouldn’t use it for a homeless guys shopping cart.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent? LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's. Everything...
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent?

LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's.

Everything that is now steel in MX would be titanium if it didn't cost 20 to 50 times as much for the material.


Those footpegs are dog shit. They crack if you just look at them the wrong way.
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Sandusky26 wrote:
Come on man, Grade 5 -6al 4v titanium isn’t worth a fuck. I wouldn’t use it for a homeless guys shopping cart.
SilverSpurs wrote:
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent? LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's. Everything...
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent?

LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's.

Everything that is now steel in MX would be titanium if it didn't cost 20 to 50 times as much for the material.


Zesiger 112 wrote:
Those footpegs are dog shit. They crack if you just look at them the wrong way.
I've fitted many used sets of those to vintage bikes using brackets I make.

A few of them have been in big accidents.

I have a crack test set up and have never found a reject.

Usually they are not even worn on the pin hole even though the hardened steel pins can be.

So, if you have a photo of a cracked or otherwise failed Yamaha Ti peg put it up or STFU.


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Sandusky26 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/02/516917/s1200_IMG_20211102_111934_8.jpg[/img]

But show me your sprocket bolts!
I say that with my pinky firmly extended in my most eloquent British accent.
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SilverSpurs wrote:
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent? LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's. Everything...
Do you speak with a fake, high pitched English accent?

LOL's Yamaha 6al 4v investment cast titanium pegs fitted to all their YZ's early 2000's.

Everything that is now steel in MX would be titanium if it didn't cost 20 to 50 times as much for the material.


Zesiger 112 wrote:
Those footpegs are dog shit. They crack if you just look at them the wrong way.
SilverSpurs wrote:
I've fitted many used sets of those to vintage bikes using brackets I make. A few of them have been in big accidents. I have a...
I've fitted many used sets of those to vintage bikes using brackets I make.

A few of them have been in big accidents.

I have a crack test set up and have never found a reject.

Usually they are not even worn on the pin hole even though the hardened steel pins can be.

So, if you have a photo of a cracked or otherwise failed Yamaha Ti peg put it up or STFU.


I've cracked 2 Yamaha titanium footpegs. Thing is, when i break something i throw it in the bin. I don't take photos of it and store it so I can't show you a photo
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jbonemalone wrote:
But show me your sprocket bolts!
I say that with my pinky firmly extended in my most eloquent British accent.
I was just talkin shit to the guy, and I ended up being right.

I had 05 and 06 Yamahas and never knew they had any Ti.

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jbonemalone wrote:
But show me your sprocket bolts!
I say that with my pinky firmly extended in my most eloquent British accent.
Sandusky26 wrote:
I was just talkin shit to the guy, and I ended up being right. I had 05 and 06 Yamahas and never knew they had any...
I was just talkin shit to the guy, and I ended up being right.

I had 05 and 06 Yamahas and never knew they had any Ti.

Nice!
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Sandusky26 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/11/02/516917/s1200_IMG_20211102_111934_8.jpg[/img]

I laughed
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