Thoughts so far this season?

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2/10/2019 4:26 PM

What are everyone’s thoughts so far now we got some races behind us? Here’s mine.

Talent is deep. Even with several riders out with injury you have quite a few people that could win the 450 class each week. No more a two man show like we’ve seen so many years.

That 450 Yamaha or team just does not bode well. Sure you have barcia but he’s inconsistent on that bike. Don’t know if it’s the bike or the program. Seems like every year you see major talent struggle on the yami.

Despite what many people might say Tomac and Roczen are doing just fine.

Reed doing better than I expected but I believe he said this is his last year. Would like to see a podium from him.

West 250 class is weak. Most the major talent has bumped up to the 450 class making the 450 class awesome this year.

Webb looks like a completely different rider on the KTM. Amazing what a good bike, program and team can do.

Marvin struggling a bit with starts and falls but his speed is there and barring any injuries he is due a win soon. He could be the breakout star of the season and come out of nowhere and start winning and have the red plate soon. Just a prediction.

Lot of 450 guys playing the long game and it’s smart.

What I miss? Insights?

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2/10/2019 4:29 PM

One more

Malcolm getting injured was a major major major bummer. He was riding so good. Had so much speed.

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2/10/2019 4:29 PM

Aside from last nights, I'm impressed with the tracks so far. Also, it's nice to tune in each week with no idea whose going to win.

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2/10/2019 4:32 PM

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

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2/10/2019 4:48 PM

level wrote:

What are everyone’s thoughts so far now we got some races behind us? Here’s mine.

Talent is deep. Even with several riders out with injury you have quite a few people that could win the 450 class each week. No more a two man show like we’ve seen so many years.

That 450 Yamaha or team just does not bode well. Sure you have barcia but he’s inconsistent on that bike. Don’t know if it’s the bike or the program. Seems like every year you see major talent struggle on the yami.

Despite what many people might say Tomac and Roczen are doing just fine.

Reed doing better than I expected but I believe he said this is his last year. Would like to see a podium from him.

West 250 class is weak. Most the major talent has bumped up to the 450 class making the 450 class awesome this year.

Webb looks like a completely different rider on the KTM. Amazing what a good bike, program and team can do.

Marvin struggling a bit with starts and falls but his speed is there and barring any injuries he is due a win soon. He could be the breakout star of the season and come out of nowhere and start winning and have the red plate soon. Just a prediction.

Lot of 450 guys playing the long game and it’s smart.

What I miss? Insights?

Pretty good summary I think.

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2/10/2019 4:48 PM

Season is going great, Marvin and Ken haven’t even won yet so many race winners.

About the Yamaha 450 team. The Yamaha 250 is considered the best bike in the class based on shootouts and what privateers choose, then what is up with 450? If the bike is the same except motor of course, it should be good right? I think the bike is fine, it’s the riders, one is banged up and the other a rookie.

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2/10/2019 4:53 PM

I don't think we could ask for a better year.. you could have thrown a blanket over the top 4 last night for the majority of the race.

I think the racing in the 450 class is the best its ever been, I have really enjoyed this year and hope to see 4-5 multi race winners in that class.

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2/10/2019 4:53 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

So you didn't like that Freight Train action last night in the 450 Final? You would rather the riders are spread out more?

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2/10/2019 4:55 PM

Honestly I liked the racing last night. Webb was all over savatgy until he cracked

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2/10/2019 4:59 PM

From the couch... Kenny seems to be gaining steam. He is looking stronger week in and week out.

Wondering if Musquin and Tomac are not 100% or if their 100% doesn’t set them apart anymore.

All I know is all I think about all week is Saturday night... and it’s awesome.

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2/10/2019 5:05 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

Reese95w wrote:

So you didn't like that Freight Train action last night in the 450 Final? You would rather the riders are spread out more?

None of them could even put a wheel in on each other it was so one lined. The 180s had no room to even go inside another rider. Track fucking sucked.

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2/10/2019 5:09 PM

This is the tightest I’ve ever seen the points in the top 5. Ever.

It’s seriously so exciting considering we’re almost halfway into the season. It’s certainly no runaway. Love watching this unfold.

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2/10/2019 5:13 PM


Kinda hard to call the West weak, et's see how that shakes out after the East/West Shootouts. Other wise your pretty well on point.
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2/10/2019 5:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/10/2019 10:35 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

Reese95w wrote:

So you didn't like that Freight Train action last night in the 450 Final? You would rather the riders are spread out more?

yz133rider wrote:

None of them could even put a wheel in on each other it was so one lined. The 180s had no room to even go inside another rider. Track fucking sucked.

Watch the race again off your DVR or on YouTube when it gets posted, there were different lines all over the place and the riders in that monumental 450 Final “Freight Train” were taking all kinds of different lines, especially Blake Baggett before his crash.

You are mistaking close racing between riders that are all going about the same speed for the track being “One Lined”. Did you see the second 450 qualifying times, the top 12 450 riders were all within 1 second of each other for lap times.

The track was fucking great. WATCH IT AGAIN! And pay attention this time.


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2/10/2019 5:50 PM

level wrote:

What are everyone’s thoughts so far now we got some races behind us? Here’s mine.

Talent is deep. Even with several riders out with injury you have quite a few people that could win the 450 class each week. No more a two man show like we’ve seen so many years.

That 450 Yamaha or team just does not bode well. Sure you have barcia but he’s inconsistent on that bike. Don’t know if it’s the bike or the program. Seems like every year you see major talent struggle on the yami.

Despite what many people might say Tomac and Roczen are doing just fine.

Reed doing better than I expected but I believe he said this is his last year. Would like to see a podium from him.

West 250 class is weak. Most the major talent has bumped up to the 450 class making the 450 class awesome this year.

Webb looks like a completely different rider on the KTM. Amazing what a good bike, program and team can do.

Marvin struggling a bit with starts and falls but his speed is there and barring any injuries he is due a win soon. He could be the breakout star of the season and come out of nowhere and start winning and have the red plate soon. Just a prediction.

Lot of 450 guys playing the long game and it’s smart.

What I miss? Insights?

I want to stick it to all the people who wrote off and gave Kawasaki shit for signing Joey Savatgy!

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2/10/2019 6:20 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

From the comfort of my couch, the track didn't look particularly difficult last night, but this is the only track this year to make the 250 LCQ look like a local beginner race...

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2/10/2019 6:23 PM

Reese95w wrote:

Watch the race again off your DVR or on YouTube when it gets posted, there were different lines all over the place and the riders in that monumental 450 Final “Freight Train” were taking all kinds of different lines, especially Blake Baggett before his crash.

You are mistaking close racing between riders that are all going about the same speed for the track being “One Lined”. Did you see the second 450 qualifying times, the top 12 450 riders were all within 1 second of each other for lap times.

The track was fucking great. WATCH IT AGAIN! And pay attention this time.


Admit it, you thought the track was great because your poster boy won

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2/10/2019 6:51 PM

Savatgy gained some serious confidence last night but as we all know who have ridden and raced arm pump is a bitch and sustaining that amount of adrenaline for that long of a time. Your body can only take so much. Now if he runs up front again he will know what to do.

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2/10/2019 7:03 PM

I think it's an absolutely rad season so far. Killer racing, killer racers, awesome new track ideas (the double double, etc). Biggest bummers so far were Malcolm getting hurt and Barcia's wreck, but that's how it goes. I would complain about the mudders, but complaining about the weather is pretty much as useless as an asshole on an elbow. I'm kicking myself for not getting tickets, but it's way fun going to my mom and dad's house and making food and working on our bikes between practice and the event, haha. I love it.

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2/10/2019 7:32 PM

Ramrod wrote:

Season is going great, Marvin and Ken haven’t even won yet so many race winners.

About the Yamaha 450 team. The Yamaha 250 is considered the best bike in the class based on shootouts and what privateers choose, then what is up with 450? If the bike is the same except motor of course, it should be good right? I think the bike is fine, it’s the riders, one is banged up and the other a rookie.

It's not the bike, listen to Webb's interviews. He used to train at 70% but Aldon called him on it the first day. It took until half way through December before Webb could do the full workout for an entire week. Plus Webb has even said with the KTM he was changing too much and chasing an unrealistic feel. He decided that he was going to just ride the bike and adapt to the track conditions.

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2/10/2019 7:34 PM

Good summary of the racing this year.
The racing has been great this year. Multiple riders capable of winning.
The race last night to me was a bit boring. The riders all following each other and seemed to have a hard time passing. Waiting for a mistake and then they could pass. It is part of racing but more exciting when they can make a pass without waiting for a mistake.
I am a Barcia and Baggett fan, so I was bummed Barcia wasn't able to move up (does make you wonder about the bike?) and Baggett crashed.
Savatgy is riding great this year but seems to have a dark cloud following him. Some bad luck at a few races.
I thought Plessinger would have more to show this year but he seems to throw it away right when you think he's got it.
Webb is doing great. Bike or Trainer? YZ450 does seem to have something going on but I think it is the trainer and how he pushes Webb. He even stated it.
I hope the season keeps the hits coming!

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2/10/2019 8:36 PM

Bland. Good points chase

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2/10/2019 10:00 PM

I have really enjoyed every race so far. More than any year as a whole in the last 10 years. I just wish Anderson, Osborne, Malcolm, and Weston were healthy to make it even better. Throw Jmart in there too. If someone from the geriatric unit can win one round I'd be completely happy.

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2/10/2019 11:09 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

The tracks are quite basic and don’t challenge the riders enough (with the exception of the mud) so there isn’t a lot separating everyone

Reese95w wrote:

So you didn't like that Freight Train action last night in the 450 Final? You would rather the riders are spread out more?

I liked that the guys were all so close, but i also like a couple gnarly sections that seperate the men from the boys, Glendale was awesome but that’s been about the only one so far.. things will improve going east

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2/10/2019 11:44 PM

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2/10/2019 11:53 PM

I agree with you OP

Really really bummed with Malcolm, that really sucked.

I also like to see the flashes of speed Bogle and Wilson show, but they are just a tick off of the top guys. However, they have had some serious injuries the past few years as well.

Seely is in the mix speed wise sometimes, but that injury of last year really hit him.

So far I expected more from Plessinger and Hill. Especially Hill as he hyped himself up the last couple of years about the 450. He had a gnarly crash two weeks ago though, so let's see if he can heal up and impress some people to get/keep a good 450 ride. Savatgy really really impressed me this weekend and I really hope he can keep his ride for next year.



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2/11/2019 4:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/11/2019 8:36 AM

Best damn season in years so far. Bummed that Bam Bam has had a run of shit luck again. Love that Webb has upset the apple cart and looks in the zone. Impressed by Kenny and Eli's patience. Don't know whether I believe Marv has what it takes after watching come apart at the seams in that heat race in spite of his standing in the points. Can Savatgy shake his late race rep for folding and stay out front or at least podium? Can Bagget ever find consistency? Imagine if Malcolm and Zach and Anderson were out there. Best damn season in years.

edit: this is what you get when a whole crop of 250 throttle jockeys graduate and a former 250 star finds his mojo

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2/11/2019 4:38 AM

yeah good summary, wicked season so far imo just look at the points, says it all really and we cannot ask for more (apart from mook not being here) - i do wish Ken would pull the trigger and it's almost frustrating at times to watch BUT we have to remember not only did he nearly lose his career but he could have lost arms, god damn hero in my eyes and to be having the run he is having is such an inspiration

i think it is a bit unfair to call the W250 weak though, it is new blood time now and it had to be refreshed at some point - we will see a new king this year and that will bring more up to the fight.

I hope AF can finally live up to what we expect in the east

I hope the 2nd part is as good or better and we can keep all guys on track and safe

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2/11/2019 4:40 AM

This is the type of season we all hope for, but rarely get treated to. That being said, the past few seasons have been exciting and not your typical cookie-cutter season with someone pulling away by round 5.

It's a good time to be a fan.

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2/11/2019 4:46 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/11/2019 4:48 AM

One of the best years in a long time. There was a lot of hype going into the season and its been even better than expected. For a while we had MC, then RC, then RV dominate, then RD, then even ET with # of race wins. This year the red plate changes every week and we get a new winner. Roczen just needs a W. Webb looks like the next great rider, he has the heart and the aggression. History shows besides Reed and Stew 1 rider usually dominates. It could be him next. Anderson I see as one of those riders who wins between a rider going on a run.

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