Then and now, 17 years.

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Just saw this Reardon vid below and reminded me of these others...

Mc 2000.
https://youtu.be/E3T4hnwnq9k?ecver=1" frameborder="0

Reed 2005. (PS, fuck that frame)
https://youtu.be/8ZrKNtlFbHE?ecver=1" frameborder="0

Dan Reardon 2017
https://instagram.com/p/BRtd8cxglGz/
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Gawwd listening to that 05 250 snap off the lip of that triple Woohoo
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I have a heap of practice videos I downloaded from transworld yeeears ago, mike lorroco on the Honda test track backwards on a supercrisp cr250, pastrana, reed, dv12 on a local sx track in slightly muddy conditions all on two strokes. Love going through them every now n then.
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Ramrod 3/17/2017 5:12am
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What a speed increase from the first video to the third. The four stroke bike of Reardon was jumping half the track, faster in the corners and whoops. Makes me wonder why they put the effort into building jumps that they never ride on because they triple over them.

I stand by this opinion, as great as a rider that Reed has been on any bike, I think he was best on the two stroke at that time. The four stroke set him back for a few years until they got the bike better.
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Ramrod wrote:
What a speed increase from the first video to the third. The four stroke bike of Reardon was jumping half the track, faster in the corners...
What a speed increase from the first video to the third. The four stroke bike of Reardon was jumping half the track, faster in the corners and whoops. Makes me wonder why they put the effort into building jumps that they never ride on because they triple over them.

I stand by this opinion, as great as a rider that Reed has been on any bike, I think he was best on the two stroke at that time. The four stroke set him back for a few years until they got the bike better.
Ding Ding Ding.

And if it was a vid of Reed in 04, would be even more so. He took forever to adapt to fourstrokes and was on the worst of them between the big 3.

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Ramrod 3/17/2017 6:13am
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People will bitch that it's just evolution of the bikes, techniques, speed etc... but I often wonder if it is better? The two vs four debate will last forever.
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chuckie108 3/17/2017 8:10am
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MC at his prime was just precision and style. Long live the KING!!
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Phillip_Lamb 3/17/2017 10:19am
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its not just an evolution of skills and speed. its also a change in track design. If you watch the layouts the 2000 track obstacles were a lot sharper than what they are today. the changes were in response to how 4ts handled their weight or inertia.

id really like to see a guy like reardon ride a yz250 on the same track


speed is speed though. mcgrath was still running top 5 in 2006 behind Reed RC and JS. granted he was old school and didnt scrub but you dont see a lot of guys scrubbing a 450. except JS7 ala 2007
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nrosso391 3/17/2017 11:50am
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The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the sport as a job as seriously as the guys do these days. Its becoming too much of a job for these riders. When's the last time you saw a leader in SX on the last lap and wave to the crowd? They used to do it all the time until RV was winning. He never did. Good riddens.
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nrosso391 3/17/2017 11:56am
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The tracks have much more flow these days as well. The old days had more of obstacles scattered wherever the dozer left it. There's more of a guideline of jumps they build now.
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Titan1 3/17/2017 12:39pm
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chuckie108 wrote:
MC at his prime was just precision and style. Long live the KING!!
I get that you can't tell much of anything from a video...but man did he look slow in that video...
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rongi#401 3/17/2017 12:40pm
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the sport has elevated. reardon would smoke mc on the same bike, if they both rode a 2000, or if they both rode a 2017....just saying
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rongi#401 wrote:
the sport has elevated. reardon would smoke mc on the same bike, if they both rode a 2000, or if they both rode a 2017....just saying
I'd almost bet the MC of 2017 could beat the MC of 2000...
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zehn 3/17/2017 12:51pm
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nrosso391 wrote:
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the...
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the sport as a job as seriously as the guys do these days. Its becoming too much of a job for these riders. When's the last time you saw a leader in SX on the last lap and wave to the crowd? They used to do it all the time until RV was winning. He never did. Good riddens.
You're a terrible troll. We see guys waving all the time. Look at Adam C, Tomac, etc.
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rongi#401 wrote:
the sport has elevated. reardon would smoke mc on the same bike, if they both rode a 2000, or if they both rode a 2017....just saying
Nope. If MC wanted to lay down a lap lets say zero risk of getting hurt..nope.

MC can still put down a pretty impressive lap without even trying.





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Camp332 3/17/2017 1:05pm
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Comparing the track and corner speed that Reed was riding to what Reardon is riding isn't fair. You have a blown out, baked up track with no traction in the Reed video, and then soft, grippy, and moist in Reardon's vid.
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crossrut 3/17/2017 1:10pm
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Dv looked so smooth in the turns...effortless
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Frodad78 3/17/2017 1:34pm
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This is a cool thread. Man I love the way a 250 sounds in the whoops, badass.

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nrosso391 3/17/2017 1:40pm
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zehn wrote:
You're a terrible troll. We see guys waving all the time. Look at Adam C, Tomac, etc.
No they aren't and you know it. Not as often as they used to. You might get honestly 3-4 times a year a guy waves to the crowd.
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Titan1 wrote:
I get that you can't tell much of anything from a video...but man did he look slow in that video...
I get that you can't tell much of anything from a video...but man did he look slow in that video...
My comment was more about his style and technique as opposed to out right speed. Pretty hard to judge era to era. Especially when you have guys who couldn't even keep MC in sight, hitting Podiums and top 5'ing modern nationals in there 40's(Dowd and Brownie). Just my take. I'm pretty sure you take any legend, whether it be Hannah, Wardy, RJ, MC, RC Reed, Bubba, RV, etc., and transplant them to any era while in their prime, they are gonna rise to the top and become legends regardless.
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nrosso391 wrote:
The tracks have much more flow these days as well. The old days had more of obstacles scattered wherever the dozer left it. There's more of...
The tracks have much more flow these days as well. The old days had more of obstacles scattered wherever the dozer left it. There's more of a guideline of jumps they build now.
And that makes the tracks boring as hell.
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Titan1 wrote:
I get that you can't tell much of anything from a video...but man did he look slow in that video...
I get that you can't tell much of anything from a video...but man did he look slow in that video...
chuckie108 wrote:
My comment was more about his style and technique as opposed to out right speed. Pretty hard to judge era to era. Especially when you have...
My comment was more about his style and technique as opposed to out right speed. Pretty hard to judge era to era. Especially when you have guys who couldn't even keep MC in sight, hitting Podiums and top 5'ing modern nationals in there 40's(Dowd and Brownie). Just my take. I'm pretty sure you take any legend, whether it be Hannah, Wardy, RJ, MC, RC Reed, Bubba, RV, etc., and transplant them to any era while in their prime, they are gonna rise to the top and become legends regardless.
You are probably right.

My comment was just about how slow he looked in that video...but like you said, hard to compare one era to another...on different tracks...on different bikes.
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Ramrod 3/17/2017 2:27pm
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Titan1 wrote:
I'd almost bet the MC of 2017 could beat the MC of 2000...
I could agree with this. MC has evolved also with the bikes and tracks. He's the KING.
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nrosso391 3/17/2017 2:43pm
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The tracks are easier to ride because the bikes are that much better handling and power. We all know Reardon is a big guy and that bike pulls him around like its nothing. Put him on Fonseca's first 250F, back in what 2001, there's no way Reardon would be making those same jumps and rhythms. The 250F power has increased so much in 17 years, especially at the "factory level". From what I can research on the internet and what I remember when Yamaha's YZ250F first came out it had like 33-36 HP STOCK...now they are all between 40-44 HP (STOCK)...THAT'S JUST DAMN INCREDIBLE.
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tobz wrote:
Here's that video of Larocco going backwards on the practice track. Crisp. https://youtu.be/wMr2P6G5GQ8 Larocco, Reed, Pastrana at Comp Edge https://youtu.be/rfIZPubOG_Q https://youtu.be/SSdt6929U-M How about Reed on Metcalfes...
Here's that video of Larocco going backwards on the practice track. Crisp.

https://youtu.be/wMr2P6G5GQ8

Larocco, Reed, Pastrana at Comp Edge

https://youtu.be/rfIZPubOG_Q


https://youtu.be/SSdt6929U-M



How about Reed on Metcalfes 125?

https://youtu.be/hi7PLlvv9QY
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This '04 Daytona heat race is worth it just for TP199 taking the win over kdub ant his interview
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Phillip_Lamb 3/17/2017 4:58pm
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nrosso391 wrote:
The tracks are easier to ride because the bikes are that much better handling and power. We all know Reardon is a big guy and that...
The tracks are easier to ride because the bikes are that much better handling and power. We all know Reardon is a big guy and that bike pulls him around like its nothing. Put him on Fonseca's first 250F, back in what 2001, there's no way Reardon would be making those same jumps and rhythms. The 250F power has increased so much in 17 years, especially at the "factory level". From what I can research on the internet and what I remember when Yamaha's YZ250F first came out it had like 33-36 HP STOCK...now they are all between 40-44 HP (STOCK)...THAT'S JUST DAMN INCREDIBLE.
STOCK yes RACE built engine were different.

in 06 PC was running engines that were pushing 46 hp. now 250fs are getting close to 50hp built.

pay attention to the tracks. They are built way smoother than they used to be. the older obstacles were sharper and did not lend to building and carrying speed.
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RickA 3/17/2017 5:12pm
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nrosso391 wrote:
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the...
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the sport as a job as seriously as the guys do these days. Its becoming too much of a job for these riders. When's the last time you saw a leader in SX on the last lap and wave to the crowd? They used to do it all the time until RV was winning. He never did. Good riddens.
I don't buy that. I would put Kiedrowski, Stanton, and LaRoccos fitness against Dungey or RV any day of the week. Being skinny doesn't mean your fit.

McGrath, I agree.. like Stewart, he won on talent and he was a little pudgy.
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tobz wrote:
Here's that video of Larocco going backwards on the practice track. Crisp. https://youtu.be/wMr2P6G5GQ8 Larocco, Reed, Pastrana at Comp Edge https://youtu.be/rfIZPubOG_Q https://youtu.be/SSdt6929U-M How about Reed on Metcalfes...
Here's that video of Larocco going backwards on the practice track. Crisp.

https://youtu.be/wMr2P6G5GQ8

Larocco, Reed, Pastrana at Comp Edge

https://youtu.be/rfIZPubOG_Q


https://youtu.be/SSdt6929U-M



How about Reed on Metcalfes 125?

https://youtu.be/hi7PLlvv9QY
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Imho, you won the internet today. Thanks!
Haha, thanks, I went through a stage before Web 2.0 and YouTube was in full swing (transworld used QuickTime to play their videos), I'd download nearly every video they put up (you can get then link directly by viewing the Web pages source). I've got a few other cool ones like reed and ferry on ttr110's racing around a track, burner on his kx250sr then on a kxf450 that hadn't been released yet, but I ran out of time this morning.
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nrosso391 wrote:
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the...
The other big difference in eras is the fact that in the 90's the riders only practiced during the week. They didn't train or take the sport as a job as seriously as the guys do these days. Its becoming too much of a job for these riders. When's the last time you saw a leader in SX on the last lap and wave to the crowd? They used to do it all the time until RV was winning. He never did. Good riddens.
? How do you know?

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