The start of another great rivalry.

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12/11/2020 4:36am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 5:20am
Kids a squid
Totally right, what a squid move. And how immature? Oh wait...my bad

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12/11/2020 4:44am
88FYNN88 wrote:
Clearly he is making friends with all the right people. They did a 100% photoshoot at their house the other day with the Star boys and...
Clearly he is making friends with all the right people. They did a 100% photoshoot at their house the other day with the Star boys and HEP and yesterday they had the Supercross and Monster/Kawi team at his house.


The range of emotion for Brian must be epic. 25 years ago none of these companies would give him a chance or a second thought. Now they want to do press day for the season at his compound.

Isnt that the place that was for sale not that long ago?
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12/11/2020 5:08am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 5:14am
I didn’t care either way till the Connor part, that was funny AF. Let’s go Lil Red-dog!
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12/11/2020 9:27am
The hypocrisy here. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464543/s1200_20201210_114545.jpg[/img]
The hypocrisy here.
robotsfrom wrote:
Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the...
Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the super mini class....
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm a big fan of his but it's the things like this that turn me off.
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Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm...
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm a big fan of his but it's the things like this that turn me off.
It's very clear you're not a big fan, you created a Vital account just to shit on the kid....
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12/11/2020 9:42am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2020 9:43am
MX114 wrote:
Totally right, what a squid move. And how immature? Oh wait...my bad [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/464796/s1200_20AF0BC8_AC7C_474C_95F0_DC3D3CF903FB.jpg[/img]
Totally right, what a squid move. And how immature? Oh wait...my bad

I know that was a crazy deal with Jeff, but it’s kind of funny now. It’s funny seeing DC mad. Lol

Deegan’s just learning what racing is.
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12/11/2020 9:45am
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm...
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm a big fan of his but it's the things like this that turn me off.
LungButter wrote:
It's very clear you're not a big fan, you created a Vital account just to shit on the kid....
Has he commented in any other thread other than the two passive aggressive Deegan attack threads he started...
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12/11/2020 10:05am
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm...
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm a big fan of his but it's the things like this that turn me off.
LungButter wrote:
It's very clear you're not a big fan, you created a Vital account just to shit on the kid....
DonM wrote:
Has he commented in any other thread other than the two passive aggressive Deegan attack threads he started...
LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment.
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12/11/2020 10:06am
I think Average Vitard is actually a parody account making fun of all us doofuses here that like to argue about what we think we know.
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LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/464841/s1200_mob1.jpg[/img]
LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment.
Don't flatter yourself.
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LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/464841/s1200_mob1.jpg[/img]
LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment.
LungButter wrote:
Don't flatter yourself.
lolol Dude, you came through and proved his point. Hilarious.
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12/11/2020 10:11am
LungButter wrote:
It's very clear you're not a big fan, you created a Vital account just to shit on the kid....
DonM wrote:
Has he commented in any other thread other than the two passive aggressive Deegan attack threads he started...
LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/464841/s1200_mob1.jpg[/img]
LungButter Grapeape and DonM everytime I post or comment.
Haha!!! .....I’m not the one starting threads to trash a 14yr old kid.....
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12/11/2020 10:35am
I’m going to enjoy the battles and not get caught up in the bullshit.
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DonM wrote:
Haha!!! .....I’m not the one starting threads to trash a 14yr old kid.....
Average vitard... ummmm 15yr in a month Silly
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12/11/2020 11:24am
MX114 wrote:
Totally right, what a squid move. And how immature? Oh wait...my bad [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/11/464796/s1200_20AF0BC8_AC7C_474C_95F0_DC3D3CF903FB.jpg[/img]
Totally right, what a squid move. And how immature? Oh wait...my bad

burn1986 wrote:
I know that was a crazy deal with Jeff, but it’s kind of funny now. It’s funny seeing DC mad. Lol Deegan’s just learning what racing...
I know that was a crazy deal with Jeff, but it’s kind of funny now. It’s funny seeing DC mad. Lol

Deegan’s just learning what racing is.
We all make mistakes. Hopefully Jeff can even laugh at himself now about that whole ordeal
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12/11/2020 11:30am
The hypocrisy here. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464543/s1200_20201210_114545.jpg[/img]
The hypocrisy here.
robotsfrom wrote:
Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the...
Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the super mini class....
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm...
Yes it is. Exactly then you hear Brian say that he wants him to race faster kids but he doesn't? I would love to say I'm a big fan of his but it's the things like this that turn me off.
Yet, this is the second thread you’ve started about the kid.
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12/12/2020 3:48pm
mx196 wrote:
Hot take Dangerboy has more talent than Jeff Alessi therefore he does not have enough credibility to call someone better than him a squid.
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
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12/12/2020 3:53pm
mx196 wrote:
Hot take Dangerboy has more talent than Jeff Alessi therefore he does not have enough credibility to call someone better than him a squid.
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



murph783 wrote:
Holy shit, Reynard raced Freestone in '08!?
Think he was riding with his dad in a van. His dad is as good as a motor tec as it gets.
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12/12/2020 4:00pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Yet, this is the second thread you’ve started about the kid.

Both worthy threads, IMO.
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12/12/2020 5:09pm
mx196 wrote:
Hot take Dangerboy has more talent than Jeff Alessi therefore he does not have enough credibility to call someone better than him a squid.
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...
Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
So you are saying you and mike weren’t on the best equipment?
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12/12/2020 5:23pm
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...
Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
yak651 wrote:
So you are saying you and mike weren’t on the best equipment?
The playing field is easier with the thumper tec.
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12/12/2020 7:10pm
Chance1216 wrote:
Yet, this is the second thread you’ve started about the kid.
str8line wrote:

Both worthy threads, IMO.
Since each thread turns into a shit on Deegan bulletin, I guess we know what to expect next week.
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12/12/2020 7:52pm
mx196 wrote:
Hot take Dangerboy has more talent than Jeff Alessi therefore he does not have enough credibility to call someone better than him a squid.
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...
Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
Pulled this clip from this interview with Tony Alessi.


AT THAT POINT, WHO WAS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORT? From 2002 through 2004 we had strong support from Honda in terms of parts, bikes and technical support from the race team. I do not know many other Amateurs who were able to get to that level where you are actually communicating with the engineers to get better performance, so that was an edge for us.

So Jeff lets talk about a "significant advantage"

Here is the link to the whole interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/motocrossactionmag.com/amp/is-this-the-mos…
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12/12/2020 9:39pm Edited Date/Time 12/12/2020 10:28pm
hypermoto wrote:
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]
That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?



Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...
Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
BMc914 wrote:
Pulled this clip from this interview with Tony Alessi. AT THAT POINT, WHO WAS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORT? From 2002 through 2004 we had strong support from...
Pulled this clip from this interview with Tony Alessi.


AT THAT POINT, WHO WAS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORT? From 2002 through 2004 we had strong support from Honda in terms of parts, bikes and technical support from the race team. I do not know many other Amateurs who were able to get to that level where you are actually communicating with the engineers to get better performance, so that was an edge for us.

So Jeff lets talk about a "significant advantage"

Here is the link to the whole interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/motocrossactionmag.com/amp/is-this-the-mos…
I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment, had stock bikes, and my dad worked in waste management.

However, based on talent, and hard work, my brother and I became the first factory backed Amateur Honda riders in our teens, which obviously gave us an advantage, as far as bikes, over kids that didn’t have that support or parents with deep pockets.

But, at that point, we were already racing up classes and beating pros that were on factory bikes prior to this, which is how we got this backing from Honda as Amateurs, in the first place. So, your argument is irrelevant.

Then, we were factory team pro riders at 16, beating pros in the heights of their careers on factory bikes, as well. So, we didn’t have a significant advantage there, and it was a level playing field, as far as bikes were concerned in our pro careers.

So my situation was definitely not the same situation as Deagan, who comes from money, has industry connections, had a track at his house his entire life, has always had factory comparable bikes, the best training, more seat time, has probably been home schooled his entire life, and whose dad had endless money to fund his program, and the time available to travel to races, all over the US, and gain race experience, since he first got on a bike. Which definitely, gives Deagan a significant advantage.

Not sure how you can argue that it doesn’t, or that it is how I grew up, with that significant advantage since day 1, as well. When that wasn’t the case, as I didn’t come from money, was self made, had to fund my own program, as my dad quit his job to manage mine and my bother’s career, and we had to support our family, financially, and when I got financial backing and better bikes in my teens based on hard work, talent, and winning races.
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What a shitshow...
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So both dads worked hard to better the life of their kids. Its not Haiden's fault that when he came out the whom all the things you mentioned were available to him. Calling a kid names shows how petty you are.
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I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment...
I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment, had stock bikes, and my dad worked in waste management.

However, based on talent, and hard work, my brother and I became the first factory backed Amateur Honda riders in our teens, which obviously gave us an advantage, as far as bikes, over kids that didn’t have that support or parents with deep pockets.

But, at that point, we were already racing up classes and beating pros that were on factory bikes prior to this, which is how we got this backing from Honda as Amateurs, in the first place. So, your argument is irrelevant.

Then, we were factory team pro riders at 16, beating pros in the heights of their careers on factory bikes, as well. So, we didn’t have a significant advantage there, and it was a level playing field, as far as bikes were concerned in our pro careers.

So my situation was definitely not the same situation as Deagan, who comes from money, has industry connections, had a track at his house his entire life, has always had factory comparable bikes, the best training, more seat time, has probably been home schooled his entire life, and whose dad had endless money to fund his program, and the time available to travel to races, all over the US, and gain race experience, since he first got on a bike. Which definitely, gives Deagan a significant advantage.

Not sure how you can argue that it doesn’t, or that it is how I grew up, with that significant advantage since day 1, as well. When that wasn’t the case, as I didn’t come from money, was self made, had to fund my own program, as my dad quit his job to manage mine and my bother’s career, and we had to support our family, financially, and when I got financial backing and better bikes in my teens based on hard work, talent, and winning races.
Did you forget the whole moto community watched you and your brother grow up. Quit trying to make it seem like you were racing clapped out bikes and barely getting anywhere...
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I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment...
I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment, had stock bikes, and my dad worked in waste management.

However, based on talent, and hard work, my brother and I became the first factory backed Amateur Honda riders in our teens, which obviously gave us an advantage, as far as bikes, over kids that didn’t have that support or parents with deep pockets.

But, at that point, we were already racing up classes and beating pros that were on factory bikes prior to this, which is how we got this backing from Honda as Amateurs, in the first place. So, your argument is irrelevant.

Then, we were factory team pro riders at 16, beating pros in the heights of their careers on factory bikes, as well. So, we didn’t have a significant advantage there, and it was a level playing field, as far as bikes were concerned in our pro careers.

So my situation was definitely not the same situation as Deagan, who comes from money, has industry connections, had a track at his house his entire life, has always had factory comparable bikes, the best training, more seat time, has probably been home schooled his entire life, and whose dad had endless money to fund his program, and the time available to travel to races, all over the US, and gain race experience, since he first got on a bike. Which definitely, gives Deagan a significant advantage.

Not sure how you can argue that it doesn’t, or that it is how I grew up, with that significant advantage since day 1, as well. When that wasn’t the case, as I didn’t come from money, was self made, had to fund my own program, as my dad quit his job to manage mine and my bother’s career, and we had to support our family, financially, and when I got financial backing and better bikes in my teens based on hard work, talent, and winning races.
xrmark wrote:
Did you forget the whole moto community watched you and your brother grow up. Quit trying to make it seem like you were racing clapped out...
Did you forget the whole moto community watched you and your brother grow up. Quit trying to make it seem like you were racing clapped out bikes and barely getting anywhere...
I don’t think you know much about them. You saw them AFTER they were recognized as some of the greatest amateurs in history. You saw them after the struggle, after the clapped out bikes, etc. It wasn’t always glory. They worked for that. Earned every bit of it.
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Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...
Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.
BMc914 wrote:
Pulled this clip from this interview with Tony Alessi. AT THAT POINT, WHO WAS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORT? From 2002 through 2004 we had strong support from...
Pulled this clip from this interview with Tony Alessi.


AT THAT POINT, WHO WAS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORT? From 2002 through 2004 we had strong support from Honda in terms of parts, bikes and technical support from the race team. I do not know many other Amateurs who were able to get to that level where you are actually communicating with the engineers to get better performance, so that was an edge for us.

So Jeff lets talk about a "significant advantage"

Here is the link to the whole interview.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/motocrossactionmag.com/amp/is-this-the-mos…
I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment...
I clearly stated, I did not have that advantage or money from the start of me racing, which was 3, as we lived in an apartment, had stock bikes, and my dad worked in waste management.

However, based on talent, and hard work, my brother and I became the first factory backed Amateur Honda riders in our teens, which obviously gave us an advantage, as far as bikes, over kids that didn’t have that support or parents with deep pockets.

But, at that point, we were already racing up classes and beating pros that were on factory bikes prior to this, which is how we got this backing from Honda as Amateurs, in the first place. So, your argument is irrelevant.

Then, we were factory team pro riders at 16, beating pros in the heights of their careers on factory bikes, as well. So, we didn’t have a significant advantage there, and it was a level playing field, as far as bikes were concerned in our pro careers.

So my situation was definitely not the same situation as Deagan, who comes from money, has industry connections, had a track at his house his entire life, has always had factory comparable bikes, the best training, more seat time, has probably been home schooled his entire life, and whose dad had endless money to fund his program, and the time available to travel to races, all over the US, and gain race experience, since he first got on a bike. Which definitely, gives Deagan a significant advantage.

Not sure how you can argue that it doesn’t, or that it is how I grew up, with that significant advantage since day 1, as well. When that wasn’t the case, as I didn’t come from money, was self made, had to fund my own program, as my dad quit his job to manage mine and my bother’s career, and we had to support our family, financially, and when I got financial backing and better bikes in my teens based on hard work, talent, and winning races.
So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's be 💯 or 800.
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