The start of another great rivalry.

BMc914 wrote:

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's...

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's be 💯 or 800.

BMc914 wrote:

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's...

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's be 💯 or 800.

snackfedbear wrote:

What a shit comment. You’re what’s wrong with the internet

BMc914 wrote:

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's...

So you were "self made" haha more like riding Mike's coat tail. You wouldnt of got shit from Honda if it wasn't for your brother let's be 💯 or 800.

snackfedbear wrote:

What a shit comment. You’re what’s wrong with the internet

BMc914 wrote:

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause...

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause his dad did well for himself and had a plan. Get a Clue!!

BMc914 wrote:

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause...

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause his dad did well for himself and had a plan. Get a Clue!!

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I’m weirdly siding with Jeff Alessi on this topic. Regardless of what happened later in their careers, the Alessi’s got where they were by hard work...

I’m weirdly siding with Jeff Alessi on this topic.

Regardless of what happened later in their careers, the Alessi’s got where they were by hard work and grinding day in and day out. No one can deny that. Everything they got in AMs they earned

BMc914 wrote:

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause...

I may be whats wrong with the internet but not society. Jeff Alessi a grown man calling a kid at least 15 years younger names cause his dad did well for himself and had a plan. Get a Clue!!

BMc914 wrote:

So both dads worked hard to better the life of their kids. Its not Haiden's fault that when he came out the whom all the things...

So both dads worked hard to better the life of their kids. Its not Haiden's fault that when he came out the whom all the things you mentioned were available to him. Calling a kid names shows how petty you are.

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

Ryder DeFrancesco and deegan will be the ones to watch.

DrinkMoreWater wrote:

Ryder DeFrancesco and deegan will be the ones to watch.

Jeff alessi wrote:

Kids a squid

Jeff alessi wrote:

Kids a squid

66TR66 wrote:

No Way. That is POTY quality. Sublime.

Average Vitard wrote:

The hypocrisy here. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464543/s1200_20201210_114545.jpg[/img]

The hypocrisy here.

robotsfrom wrote:

Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the...

Isn't this Ferry's first year on a 125? If Ferry is cherry picking what was danger boy doing at Lorettas in mini sr's and not the super mini class....

nascarnate326 wrote:

The range of emotion for Brian must be epic. 25 years ago none of these companies would give him a chance or a second thought. Now...

The range of emotion for Brian must be epic. 25 years ago none of these companies would give him a chance or a second thought. Now they want to do press day for the season at his compound.

Isnt that the place that was for sale not that long ago?

Average Vitard wrote:

The hypocrisy here. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464543/s1200_20201210_114545.jpg[/img]

The hypocrisy here.

Jeff alessi wrote:

Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...

Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.

hypermoto wrote:

Jeff can call them Squids because he’s the only professional racer in the argument. You aren’t. You did call a professional racer a Squid though, hilarious...

Jeff can call them Squids because he’s the only professional racer in the argument. You aren’t. You did call a professional racer a Squid though, hilarious coming from a mid pack D rider.

Both these kids have the dream of becoming pro racers. Jeff’s done it already.

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

He called him more than just a squid. Before the comment was edited, it said something to the effect of Deegan being a spoiled brat who...

He called him more than just a squid. Before the comment was edited, it said something to the effect of Deegan being a spoiled brat who has had everything handed to him by his parents, and that he needs to learn to value hard work, and that he's not really done much.

I won't insult Jeff or talk down his riding abilities because he's fast on a bike, but his comments were a bit over the top.

hypermoto wrote:

I didn’t see all that, to be fair. But on the same note, that’s pretty much what all the amateur families in the pits (the ones...

I didn’t see all that, to be fair.

But on the same note, that’s pretty much what all the amateur families in the pits (the ones who beat him and the ones who don’t) say. Idk, I don’t know the kid. But it’s the reputation people seemingly have given them.

I’m not for being an adult and chirping kids, but I’m also not for chirping people that reached the highest level the sport has to offer.

A bench warmer in the NFL still made it to the NFL.

MX114 wrote:

Mitch Payton was just saying on the whiskey throttle show that in his experiences it’s the riders who grow up with working class families that know...

Mitch Payton was just saying on the whiskey throttle show that in his experiences it’s the riders who grow up with working class families that know what it means to struggle, that have the greatest chance at becoming champions in this sport. Like the Stewart’s, carmichaels, villipotos, dungeys... all of them were regular working folks before there kids turned pro. Not the kid who is pampered and groomed his entire life with everything that’s the very best always given to him. Could be totally wrong but it’s not going to be Haiden deegan that turns into the next big thing in the pro’s. It going to be the other kid who doesn’t get the spotlight or factory treatment right now. That’s the type of kid that when the going gets tough will be able to push thru until he reaches the top spot cause he knows how to fight and struggle. I’m not a deegan hater either. He is an awesome rider but I see a mike alessi type situation once he turns pro. Successful but not that champion

mx196 wrote:

Hot take Dangerboy has more talent than Jeff Alessi therefore he does not have enough credibility to call someone better than him a squid.

hypermoto wrote:

That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464564/s1200_9F384429_B6C9_4E5B_A521_CAC08E246E8D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464565/s1200_211CA6B4_FF64_4C97_B8D7_32958983AA7D.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464567/s1200_C3B7DBC0_6AF4_45A3_B21E_2FEEE6BE50FE.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/12/10/464566/s1200_B9851056_FF3C_40AD_8C7B_FB8B4AC3E2F4.jpg[/img]

That’s delusional. Do you know how good Jeff was as an amateur and pro?

Jeff alessi wrote:

Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response. Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after...

Hypermoto, mx196, doesn’t even deserve a response.
Don’t want to confuse him facts. Apparently, reading comprehension isn’t his strong suit. And, those race stats were after breaking both my feet in 37 places, and my back at 13, and told I would never walk again, let alone ride, or ride at the highest level as a professional racer all over the world.

He obviously, just wants to continue to rehash a childish mistake that was done as a joke from years ago, with no malicious intent, and act holier than thou, and attack and hate on me. It must be nice to be so perfect, and such an accomplished pro rider, who knows so much about the industry, like Mx196.

As far as Deagan, he’s talented, but his dad has the money and time to get him the best bikes, training, etc., so he has a significant advantage over most riders, isn’t on a fair playing field, hasn’t proven himself, is overrated, and isn’t out there beating older riders that are pros or racing up classes.

Further, when he does go pro, I think he’s in for a rude awakening, and I don’t think he is as talented, as much so, as his dad is at marketing him and selling his talent. He doesn’t race riders unless he knows he can beat them, or if they may challenge him, or tarnish his race record, which makes him appear to be a better rider than he actually is.

At that age, I was racing and beating pros, and didn’t have the money his dad has to give me a significant advantage in equipment, training, time on the bike, etc. from the start of me racing, like he has had. That’s all I’m saying. Nothing against him, and any dad in his dad’s position, would do the same for their child if they could afford to do so, and want the best for them.

MX114 wrote:

Mitch Payton was just saying on the whiskey throttle show that in his experiences it’s the riders who grow up with working class families that know...

Mitch Payton was just saying on the whiskey throttle show that in his experiences it’s the riders who grow up with working class families that know what it means to struggle, that have the greatest chance at becoming champions in this sport. Like the Stewart’s, carmichaels, villipotos, dungeys... all of them were regular working folks before there kids turned pro. Not the kid who is pampered and groomed his entire life with everything that’s the very best always given to him. Could be totally wrong but it’s not going to be Haiden deegan that turns into the next big thing in the pro’s. It going to be the other kid who doesn’t get the spotlight or factory treatment right now. That’s the type of kid that when the going gets tough will be able to push thru until he reaches the top spot cause he knows how to fight and struggle. I’m not a deegan hater either. He is an awesome rider but I see a mike alessi type situation once he turns pro. Successful but not that champion

haydos25 wrote:

I do'nt think Mitch Payton was necessarily describing Evan Ferry either then. He hasnt been lacking for bike time, pro tracks, fast company good bikes and...

I do'nt think Mitch Payton was necessarily describing Evan Ferry either then. He hasnt been lacking for bike time, pro tracks, fast company good bikes and experienced coaching. Look at some of the pro names that have rolled through Red dogs house in recent years while Evans been learning the ropes.. He's not a blue collar kid either.

I dont particularly agree with Payton either though. Moving forward its going to be harder and harder to find that working class kid, it costs so much to compete and get noticed these days, they all come from money to some degree really.

TooTallJason wrote:

I don't necessarily think Mitch was referring to either rider. I think history shows that children of pros tend to stick with it and be relatively...

I don't necessarily think Mitch was referring to either rider. I think history shows that children of pros tend to stick with it and be relatively successful. The Ansties, the Everts, the Vialles, etc. I think that having a parent who has been through it helps the child realize that it's gonna be work to get there.

Now that I think about it, I'd probably put Eli Tomac into the same category, son of successful professional athlete.

hartebreak wrote:

His reaction is a byproduct of the way these kids are coming up now. Instead of getting 4-6 gate drops per month, they ride endless laps...

His reaction is a byproduct of the way these kids are coming up now. Instead of getting 4-6 gate drops per month, they ride endless laps at the compound and take 4-6 gate drops per year. Cant replicate race conditions at a compound with 3 riders.

hubbardmx50 wrote:

Agreed. Stop sending kids to training facilities, bring back weekly local racing and graduate high school I love how he tagged Deegan and gave him credit...

Agreed. Stop sending kids to training facilities, bring back weekly local racing and graduate high school

I love how he tagged Deegan and gave him credit for the footage. Lol