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I don't have anything against developing electric bikes, I really don't. My fear is as soon as they get more developed and popular the tender little delicate pussies we seem to be surrounded by now are going to go on a mission to make sure that those are the ONLY bikes available and eventually get them outlawed too. They're never going to be happy. Meanwhile never mind the homeless tweaker junky fucks camped out in the hills starting fires, stealing our shit and pissing and crapping everywhere, but hey they're not making noise and are out of sight, out of mind so no one gives a shit. But go climb a hill on your dirtbike and here comes the cavalry to save the day. To me single cylinder ICE powered motorcycles shouldn't even be on the radar considering all the other problems going on right now, ok rant over sorry. Maybe this should have gone in the global rage thread...
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Bryan are you going to be at Day in the Dirt? I'm going, Thinking of making a road trip with the bike.
When electric only tracks are the only ones that are open, you'll buy in to it. It'll happen sooner than you think.
I’ve put off buying a new car for a couple of years . I think once the cream has been skimmed off the E market, prices and choice will be much more attractive.
But I think it could be 5 to 10 years before it's being used by the masses more than Gas bikes.
But For guys that love the gas bikes , there will be Races for them for the rest of our life times at least , even if they stopped making them. Just as there are groups now racing vintage bikes.
Heck I wish there was more vintage racing now , I would Love to Race a1990's 125 against other 1990's 125's
I'd like to make a class that 1990 to 2000 125's only!
I have never ridden one.
Throw traction control out the window, stick drive by wire up your ass, and PLEASE ban stability control. I want control of my vehicle
I read this a lot. And its wrong. It won't kill the sport, the sport will develop.
Guess what- your/my generation aren't going to be around forever.
Guess what- there are kids coming through who have & never will know what is like to ride a 125/250 two stroke (I only just know what it was like to ride a 500..)
Remember some people said "four strokes will be the end of the sport"?? It hasn't been yet has it?!
Guess what- theres some four year old somewhere who is going to get a KTM 50-E for christmas, enjoy it for a few years, then move on to a KTM 65-E, then 85-E,and so on and so forth...
Guess what- this rider will never know or want an ICE bike.
Guess what brother- our generation will have passed, electric bikes will be 'normal', the sport will still be alive!
"going to kill the sport."?? Nah..
The point everyone is missing repeatedly, is lap times. The bikes we buy have number plates, they are race bikes. Just like the Suzuki, no one wants the slower way around. The Alta is a weapon, for about 20 minutes. How long can your body hang flat out? Would you be able to go faster (62 yr. old here) if you had more power and easy torque, no clutch or shifting? The answer will be yes, like it or not. Corvettes with Autos are faster than shifting, fact. Teslas are fast than Vette's, fact. Racing is Racing, you want to lose every start?
If you're not, aren't you contradicting yourselves a little??
At what point/era, did development of mx bikes and the sport become 'enough'?
1960s two strokes?
1980s watercooled?
1980s mono-shock?
1990s USD forks?
2000s Four strokes?
2000s aluminium frames?
2010s EFI?
2010's electric start?
Pit Row
I’m not opposed to technology, but it depends on the type. Don’t ask me to define that because I can’t...
How about a black rim that won’t show signs of wear? Or plastic and decals that stay nice forever.
BUT.... if people will buy this amazing electric super bike that floats magically over bumps, I guess someone will build it and we can’t complain.
With that said, I'm wondering if the next progressive change in riding style could be an electric bike with two throttles. Left throttle controls the front wheel, right throttle controls the rear. I'm trying to imagine how difficult it would be to feather two throttles, but I do think it's possible. It would definitely change riding for good being able to roost a 2wd bike. I can picture coming out of a berm and giving it front throttle for that extra pull. I could also imagine being in the air and giving it front throttle instead of doing a rear brake tap. It might also change how guys scrub with the gyro effect. Would it be more susceptible to whiskey throttling? Probably. It would definitely be a learning curve but I could see it happening with a motor in the front hub.
Both elbows down off the start gate and out of berms will mean goon riding will become the fast way around the track... the off road guys would have a hay day with this in the woods/mud/hills/etc.
Segway is about to release an e bike. Not competition but ebike nonetheless.
Its seems sound is not a hindrance.
Maybe if we want to be as big as mainstream sport then this is the best next step?
People who seek with a clear confirmation bias will look at Alta and say, see, not worth it cant work not possible. But them somehow avoid all of the new brands introduced to the sport in the last decade that have done really well at a professional level.... oh wait there isn't any... So maybe the platform was a success but the business wasnt... hmmm
Like all things technology wise, they work and become mainstream when they offer a clear advantage above the potential disadvantages. E-bicycles for example fit this bill perfectly, they offer clear advantages with little need to change the way you use a regular bicycle. EV cars will do the same, for day to day and inner city use they will offer a clear advantage, ease of use, smog, interconnectivity and no need to find a fuel station and with the worldwide population moving to the cities (projected to be 68% in the coming decades) then these will start to outnumber ICE cars which are still superior for long distances. Although in saying that within a decade EVs will be able to reach 800-1000 miles on a charge with quick chargers giving you 80% of that range in 30 minutes, I think that pretty solid for even long distance driving.
Motorcycles at this point, besides scooters or inner city transport bikes, don't necessarily offer the advantages over the disadvantages yet. The main disadvantage obviously being range. But in the kids bike sector this isnt really a problem and the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages in that sector. So it will start with the kids, the E-50 and E65. And as technology improves it will move up to adults.
within 15 years I think we will see either a class or an acceptance in pro supercross for E bikes
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