The black cloud over JGR

foreman52
Profile picture for user foreman52
Posts
632
Joined
5/29/2018
Location
CA
Fantasy
3178th
foreman52
Edited Date/Time 3/6/2020 3:08pm
I think as MX racers many of us are somewhat "superstitious". This may sound silly, but with all the bad luck they have been having could you start to begin to see riders actually turning down offers/fill ins for this team due to the black cloud hanging over JGR?

It can't be easy to watch their competitors with career ending injuries and season ending breaks. Pieck, Savatgy, Norren, Jimmy D, Tickle...

I know I know...how could someone turn down a factory ride especially if they are paying out of pocket to get to the races, but is it possible? You would be going in with the frame of mind basically expecting to be the next one on the ground.

This sport is dangerous as F, but when was the last time that a SX team had so many riders injured in one season? And we're only half way!

What is going on at JGR?!
1
12
|
Press516
Profile picture for user Press516
Posts
3439
Joined
9/11/2018
Location
Gilbert, AZ US
Fantasy
126th
Press516 2/23/2020 9:40am
2/23/2020 9:40am
It's hard to image a team having a more difficult year than JGR in 2020. I don't buy in to any superstition, just a bad year, period.
4
MXMattii
Profile picture for user MXMattii
Posts
4179
Joined
3/6/2010
Location
BE
MXMattii 2/23/2020 9:50am
2/23/2020 9:50am
If I was JGR, I would call Charles LeFrancois. He knows the Suzuki and is solid in Supercross. Maybe he can bring his own suspension to replicate that setting or to give him options.
5
8
Buckland
Profile picture for user Buckland
Posts
244
Joined
1/23/2017
Location
FL US
Buckland 2/23/2020 9:55am
2/23/2020 9:55am
Bruce372 wrote:
Can they put alex martin on the 450?
They could, but he's having enough trouble staying healthy on the 250
6
1

The Shop

See All »
JustMX
Profile picture for user JustMX
Posts
4607
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
TN US
JustMX 2/23/2020 10:40am
2/23/2020 10:40am
A lot of conversations about jgr and why they haven't lived up to their potential over the years.

James Stewart, David Millsaps, Justin Barcia, Justin Brayton, and now Josh Hill have put in better results AFTER leaving Jgr, including 4 of those 5 winning races in the premier class.

The team has always looked awesome on paper but dang, after all these years and nothing ever seeming to gel, it could make one ponder what needs to change in the team structure to initiate change in the right direction.
2
tek14
Profile picture for user tek14
Posts
4586
Joined
1/26/2014
Location
Vantaa FI
tek14 2/23/2020 10:42am
2/23/2020 10:42am
They have been getting riders that are not absolute highest level like Dungey, Tomac and so on.
Their guys trying to bridge gap to front by pushing just little on bike that is not better than those
top guys have. Taking more risk will hurt in long run.
2
1
O&GDriller
Profile picture for user O&GDriller
Posts
480
Joined
7/16/2019
Location
Tulsa, OK US
O&GDriller 2/23/2020 10:45am
2/23/2020 10:45am
JGR's historical performance considering the resources they have/had clearly indicate it's a poorly managed company.

Note, I'm not attacking anybody, I'm just stating fact based upon performance and resources.
8
7
kiwifan
Profile picture for user kiwifan
Posts
9485
Joined
10/31/2009
Location
CA US
kiwifan 2/23/2020 11:17am
2/23/2020 11:17am
It seems the JGR and KTM guys cant get a break lately....used to be a thing called a honda curse....
1
Dougy1
Profile picture for user Dougy1
Posts
474
Joined
4/14/2017
Location
AU
Dougy1 2/23/2020 11:26am
2/23/2020 11:26am
kiwifan wrote:
It seems the JGR and KTM guys cant get a break lately....used to be a thing called a honda curse....
What do you mean lately with JGR !
I can’t remember when they have ever had a good run full stop
3
Brent
Profile picture for user Brent
Posts
5302
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Party in Temecula, CA US
Brent 2/23/2020 11:43am
2/23/2020 11:43am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2020 11:43am
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year.

Someone explain this.

James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled Suzuki ride after he leaves JGR.

Explain.

Justin Barcia couldn't get out of his own way on JGR, now he running top 5 with two wins on Yamaha.

Explain.
9
3
davistld01
Profile picture for user davistld01
Posts
8682
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Springfield, MO US
davistld01 2/23/2020 11:45am
2/23/2020 11:45am
I understand all but the OT last paragraph regarding Trey Canard. What has that got to do with JGR, Suzuki, the “black cloud” or anything?
mattyhamz2
Profile picture for user mattyhamz2
Posts
10866
Joined
7/6/2015
Location
So Cal, CA US
Fantasy
767th
mattyhamz2 2/23/2020 11:48am
2/23/2020 11:48am
Has anyone noticed how different the JGR bikes handle compared to the HEP bikes? Both the JGR 250’s and 450’s look like they are as rigid as a steel beam. Idk what they are doing over there, but maybe they are trying to do too much.
2
3
hamncheeze
Profile picture for user hamncheeze
Posts
2428
Joined
1/13/2018
Location
British Columbia CA
hamncheeze 2/23/2020 1:15pm
2/23/2020 1:15pm
Man when I saw Tickle taking the deal with JGR I was thinking in the back of my head "I wonder if he gets hurt because the team just has bad bad luck" and sure enough it took 2 races. Unbelievable. It has to turn around at some point for them.
1
1
GuyB
Profile picture for user GuyB
Posts
35699
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA US
Fantasy
988th
GuyB 2/23/2020 1:30pm
2/23/2020 1:30pm
Some of you have your selves whipped into a pretty good frenzy. Carry on.
11
1
TxGuy
Profile picture for user TxGuy
Posts
46
Joined
2/12/2020
Location
San Antonio, TX US
TxGuy 2/23/2020 1:37pm
2/23/2020 1:37pm
GuyB wrote:
Some of you have your selves whipped into a pretty good frenzy. Carry on.
thanks for the addition to the conversation. Whistling
5
2

Pit Row

See All »
xrmark
Profile picture for user xrmark
Posts
1123
Joined
9/9/2019
Location
Lake Elsinore, CA US
xrmark 2/23/2020 1:58pm
2/23/2020 1:58pm
Brent wrote:
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year. Someone explain this. James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled...
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year.

Someone explain this.

James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled Suzuki ride after he leaves JGR.

Explain.

Justin Barcia couldn't get out of his own way on JGR, now he running top 5 with two wins on Yamaha.

Explain.
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It has nothing to do with JGR itself. And stew didn’t go to a “hastily assembled suzuki” lol that bike was on point. Barcias Yamaha now compared to when he was on JGR might as well be completely different bikes. But since you think it’s JGR, explain. Bro.
3
1
mattyhamz2
Profile picture for user mattyhamz2
Posts
10866
Joined
7/6/2015
Location
So Cal, CA US
Fantasy
767th
mattyhamz2 2/23/2020 2:46pm
2/23/2020 2:46pm
Brent wrote:
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year. Someone explain this. James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled...
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year.

Someone explain this.

James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled Suzuki ride after he leaves JGR.

Explain.

Justin Barcia couldn't get out of his own way on JGR, now he running top 5 with two wins on Yamaha.

Explain.
xrmark wrote:
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It...
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It has nothing to do with JGR itself. And stew didn’t go to a “hastily assembled suzuki” lol that bike was on point. Barcias Yamaha now compared to when he was on JGR might as well be completely different bikes. But since you think it’s JGR, explain. Bro.
Don’t forget Barcia beat Dungey straight up on the JGR Yamaha at Red Bud.
2
Indian_Dunes_4ever 2/23/2020 4:22pm
2/23/2020 4:22pm
It's all Dylan Ferrandis fault.... BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woohoo

For those who lack a sense of humor....this post was in jest....
3
4
8tensolutions
Profile picture for user 8tensolutions
Posts
2406
Joined
11/15/2009
Location
Salt Lake City, UT US
8tensolutions 2/23/2020 4:36pm
2/23/2020 4:36pm
Brent wrote:
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year. Someone explain this. James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled...
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year.

Someone explain this.

James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled Suzuki ride after he leaves JGR.

Explain.

Justin Barcia couldn't get out of his own way on JGR, now he running top 5 with two wins on Yamaha.

Explain.
xrmark wrote:
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It...
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It has nothing to do with JGR itself. And stew didn’t go to a “hastily assembled suzuki” lol that bike was on point. Barcias Yamaha now compared to when he was on JGR might as well be completely different bikes. But since you think it’s JGR, explain. Bro.
You just explained it. Everyone knows Tony Alessi got Justin Hill on track (and Malcolm and Vince) yet JGR has struggled from the beginning. It is a BUSINESS running a Team and the leadership running JGR has lost sponsors and hired the best with little or no results. How they do not have a significant change in leadership is beyond me unless JBone has some serious shit on Coy or something.
2
5
cityjack
Profile picture for user cityjack
Posts
193
Joined
6/9/2017
Location
Granite Falls, NC US
cityjack 2/23/2020 5:02pm
2/23/2020 5:02pm
Brent wrote:
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year. Someone explain this. James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled...
Justin Hill's attitude and results this year are 100 percent improved over last year.

Someone explain this.

James Stewart sweeps the first nationals on a hastily-assembled Suzuki ride after he leaves JGR.

Explain.

Justin Barcia couldn't get out of his own way on JGR, now he running top 5 with two wins on Yamaha.

Explain.
xrmark wrote:
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It...
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It has nothing to do with JGR itself. And stew didn’t go to a “hastily assembled suzuki” lol that bike was on point. Barcias Yamaha now compared to when he was on JGR might as well be completely different bikes. But since you think it’s JGR, explain. Bro.
8tensolutions wrote:
You just explained it. Everyone knows Tony Alessi got Justin Hill on track (and Malcolm and Vince) yet JGR has struggled from the beginning. It is...
You just explained it. Everyone knows Tony Alessi got Justin Hill on track (and Malcolm and Vince) yet JGR has struggled from the beginning. It is a BUSINESS running a Team and the leadership running JGR has lost sponsors and hired the best with little or no results. How they do not have a significant change in leadership is beyond me unless JBone has some serious shit on Coy or something.
Yup to the leadership thing. You see it all the time in other venues. Top talent and different top not producing year after year after year, can't blame the riders or the bikes. Whats left?
1
8tensolutions
Profile picture for user 8tensolutions
Posts
2406
Joined
11/15/2009
Location
Salt Lake City, UT US
8tensolutions 2/23/2020 5:11pm
2/23/2020 5:11pm
xrmark wrote:
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It...
All of that happened on the worst yz450 ever made, minus Justin Hill. And everyone knows tony Alessi got ju hill on the right track. It has nothing to do with JGR itself. And stew didn’t go to a “hastily assembled suzuki” lol that bike was on point. Barcias Yamaha now compared to when he was on JGR might as well be completely different bikes. But since you think it’s JGR, explain. Bro.
8tensolutions wrote:
You just explained it. Everyone knows Tony Alessi got Justin Hill on track (and Malcolm and Vince) yet JGR has struggled from the beginning. It is...
You just explained it. Everyone knows Tony Alessi got Justin Hill on track (and Malcolm and Vince) yet JGR has struggled from the beginning. It is a BUSINESS running a Team and the leadership running JGR has lost sponsors and hired the best with little or no results. How they do not have a significant change in leadership is beyond me unless JBone has some serious shit on Coy or something.
cityjack wrote:
Yup to the leadership thing. You see it all the time in other venues. Top talent and different top not producing year after year after year...
Yup to the leadership thing. You see it all the time in other venues. Top talent and different top not producing year after year after year, can't blame the riders or the bikes. Whats left?
The only thing left is the person making the choices. I have nothing against Albrecht, but if we are honest he was a factory mechanic prior to JGR which doesn't exactly yield to leading others and building teams. He seems like a great dude and I love his interviews with Matthes, but he is in a job that would seem to expect results and that hasn't been anywhere close......with or without injuries.
1
4
Austin_Rankin 2/23/2020 9:03pm
2/23/2020 9:03pm
I can not believe what im reading calling jared keller to go the f off on these dudes talking smack on jgr or lee mccollum or j bone, seriously put these dudes in their place that talk smack, JGR does a great job, and they build amazing machines!
1
3
Austin_Rankin 2/23/2020 9:04pm
2/23/2020 9:04pm
Austin_Rankin wrote:
I can not believe what im reading calling jared keller to go the f off on these dudes talking smack on jgr or lee mccollum or...
I can not believe what im reading calling jared keller to go the f off on these dudes talking smack on jgr or lee mccollum or j bone, seriously put these dudes in their place that talk smack, JGR does a great job, and they build amazing machines!
And to add to that who the hell could complain about saving money, yea maybe no 450 riders at moment but saving money isnt a bad thing, might just be time to save money and round it up for nationals.
2
1
TY838
Profile picture for user TY838
Posts
60
Joined
2/18/2019
Location
Hallsboro, NC US
TY838 2/24/2020 3:52am
2/24/2020 3:52am
The JGR organization has been the Cleveland Browns of moto for quite some time.
1
Rick Amatuzio 2/24/2020 4:20am
2/24/2020 4:20am
This thread is pretty stupid. The 2010 Yamaha was a piece of shit, and that chassis has had problems since it was released. Suzuki, not exactly a cutting edge bike either..
Ebbs and flows of racing, you guys would have been saying the same thing about KTM in 2010.
1. Did Savatgy ever finish a moto on that Kawasaki last year?
2. Barcia left factory Yamaha because he hated the bike originally and he sucked.
3. Stewart crashed on whatever he rode, always.
4. Josh Grant is thanking JGR.
5. Weston Pieck is thanking JGR.
6. Chad Reed looks REAL good this year, I’m betting he would give his left testicle for a JGR bike right now.
7. Millsaps had a career season with JGR.
8. Brayton was a great rider on that bike, some of his best finishes
9. Nicoletti was always solid

I appreciate a team that busting their ass and trying, even more that’s supporting the sport. I applaud them for not giving up and hope they get some luck their way, then shove it in all your faces. Unreal.


24
5
foreman52
Profile picture for user foreman52
Posts
632
Joined
5/29/2018
Location
CA
Fantasy
3178th
foreman52 2/24/2020 6:09am
2/24/2020 6:09am
Rick Amatuzio wrote:
This thread is pretty stupid. The 2010 Yamaha was a piece of shit, and that chassis has had problems since it was released. Suzuki, not exactly...
This thread is pretty stupid. The 2010 Yamaha was a piece of shit, and that chassis has had problems since it was released. Suzuki, not exactly a cutting edge bike either..
Ebbs and flows of racing, you guys would have been saying the same thing about KTM in 2010.
1. Did Savatgy ever finish a moto on that Kawasaki last year?
2. Barcia left factory Yamaha because he hated the bike originally and he sucked.
3. Stewart crashed on whatever he rode, always.
4. Josh Grant is thanking JGR.
5. Weston Pieck is thanking JGR.
6. Chad Reed looks REAL good this year, I’m betting he would give his left testicle for a JGR bike right now.
7. Millsaps had a career season with JGR.
8. Brayton was a great rider on that bike, some of his best finishes
9. Nicoletti was always solid

I appreciate a team that busting their ass and trying, even more that’s supporting the sport. I applaud them for not giving up and hope they get some luck their way, then shove it in all your faces. Unreal.


I never mentioned anything with regards to the bike or management (as the OP). I personally wasn’t attacking JGR just to clarify. Maybe that’s with the downvotes...but anyways. Just thought this would be a fun discussion but it went completely the other way LOL.
davistld01
Profile picture for user davistld01
Posts
8682
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Springfield, MO US
davistld01 2/24/2020 7:11am
2/24/2020 7:11am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2020 7:12am
One thing for sure...JBone and JGR are a tough team. With all the money they've obviously invested...both in bikes, parts & personel...and all the money they've seen go down the drain, and all the negative bullshit they have had to read on places like Vital and others...they have never packed it up and called it quits. Gotta give them props for being lovers of the sport, and still being willing to do what it takes to keep chugging along. One thing for sure...our sport, small and getting smaller that it is, is better with teams like JGR in it. I hope they find a replacement for Tickle soon, and can recoup.
3
1

Post a reply to: The black cloud over JGR