The Real Triple Crown, AMA SX, AMA MX & MXDN On The Same Calendar Year...

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9/26/2022 2:27am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2022 5:29am
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work... Here they are:

David Bailey in 1983.
Jeff Ward in 1985.
Ricky Johnson in 1986.
Ricky Johnson in 1988 (AMA MX 500)
Jeff Stanton in 1989/1990
Ricky Carmichael in 2005
Ryan Dungey in 2010
Ryan Villopoto in 2011
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That is a short list of very big names. Thanks, DV12. And well done, ET3. Congrats on one hell of a year. Well done.
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Big accomplishment for Eli!

DV, after this season and now the Chamberlain trophy in his bag, where do you rank Eli all time?
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Big accomplishment for Eli!

DV, after this season and now the Chamberlain trophy in his bag, where do you rank Eli all time?
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1.

You could argue putting RJ/Wardy/Stanton in there but they had 2 chances a season to win a MX title racing 250 & 500, Eli only had 1. I'm confident with 2nd US MX all time for Eli
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Congrats Jett. 250 sx, 250 mx and overall top finisher in mxdn....
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Did Villopoto ever win a regional SX title, MX title and the MXdN in the same year? Maybe an honorable mention for him and Tedesco?
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Did Villopoto ever win a regional SX title, MX title and the MXdN in the same year? Maybe an honorable mention for him and Tedesco?
Ivan did it in 2005, RV in 07 and Dungey in 09.
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dv12.com wrote:
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1. You could argue...
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1.

You could argue putting RJ/Wardy/Stanton in there but they had 2 chances a season to win a MX title racing 250 & 500, Eli only had 1. I'm confident with 2nd US MX all time for Eli
This MX Title run was his best yet too. I feel like weathering that battle with Sexton and coming out on top really cements his legacy.

Now if he goes to P2 in all time SX wins next year and adds a 3rd SX title, does he get a spot on Mt. Rushmore?
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Seriously! Big time accomplishment!! That's DV.
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Cool stat, DV. And for what it's worth, listened to both parts of your Whiskey Throttle podcast en route to RedBud this past weekend--thanks for sharing your story--very inspiring.
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The only thing that RC and RV’s years have over Eli’s year is they went and won 100k and $1 million a few weeks later at the US Open and Monster Cup, respectively

But Eli doesn’t have the option
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Hold on a minute DV, you gotta dig in a bit more before counting them up.

I was asking the same question in another thread. Very small list of riders, but even smaller when you factor in how the outdoor championship has changed. Up until 1986, riders had to pick either the 500 or 250 class. For a while, the 500 class was the premier one, so let's break them down.

1983 and 1985. Bailey and Ward won the 250 supercross and 250 outdoor title, but Broc Glover won the 500 outdoor title in 83 and 85 and . It's arguable that, in those days, the 500 class was still considered the premier class, but given that riders had to pick either 500 or 250 (they ran concurrently all year in 1983). Some would say this doesn't count but I say it counts for Bailey and Ward.

In 1986 came the production rule and big changes to the outdoors. Now the 250s would run the first half of the series and the 500s the second, so a premier class rider had a shot at 2 outdoor titles. That's is obviously not the same as winning a 12 round series, so for it to count the same as winning one of today's premier titles, you really need to look at how that rider did at all outdoor rounds combined.

In 1986, Johnson won the 250 class and came second to Bailey in the 500s, but he won the 250s by 46 points and lost the 500s by 6, so over the 12 rounds he still scored the most points, and won the SX and MXoN, so 1986 counts for Johnson.

In 1988, Johnson won 250 SX and 500 Motocross, but finished second to Jeff ward. RJ won the 500s by 24 points and lost in the 250 class by 7 points so, same as 1986, this counts. 2X triple crown for RJ.

1989, Stanton won the 250 SX title but swapped motocross titles with Jeff Ward. He beat Wardy in 250s by 16 points, but lost the 500 title to Wardy by 21. So technically, 1989's overall outdoor title would've gone to Wardy and not Stanton.

1990 is the same story as 1989, just a different points spread.


SOOO, comparing apples to apples, RJ is a badass with 2 triple crowns, and I would give Bailey and Ward one as well, but Stanton wouldn't have done if in a combined 12-round outdoor series (hurst me to type this because I love 6-Time).

Technically, on even terms, 7 riders have a true claim to this. Bailey, Ward, RJ, RC, RV, Dungey and Tomac. If you're really stingy about comparing only the true premier class, then it's 5 riders.

Jeff Ward and Ryan Dungey are the only 2 to do this in their rookie years.
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dv12.com wrote:
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work...
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work... Here they are:

David Bailey in 1983.
Jeff Ward in 1985.
Ricky Johnson in 1986.
Ricky Johnson in 1988 (AMA MX 500)
Jeff Stanton in 1989/1990
Ricky Carmichael in 2005
Ryan Dungey in 2010
Ryan Villopoto in 2011
Let's not forget Villo also swept Monster Cup in 2011. For me that might put it over the edge for the greatest year ever
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dv12.com wrote:
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1. You could argue...
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1.

You could argue putting RJ/Wardy/Stanton in there but they had 2 chances a season to win a MX title racing 250 & 500, Eli only had 1. I'm confident with 2nd US MX all time for Eli
Glover is second on total mx titles with 6 to Rc 10. I feel he is always looked over

Winning on a yz490 vs the factory Hondas of the day should mean something too
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DV, or anyone who might know.

How many other riders have made mxon their first ever 450 race and won that individual class?
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dv12.com wrote:
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work...
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work... Here they are:

David Bailey in 1983.
Jeff Ward in 1985.
Ricky Johnson in 1986.
Ricky Johnson in 1988 (AMA MX 500)
Jeff Stanton in 1989/1990
Ricky Carmichael in 2005
Ryan Dungey in 2010
Ryan Villopoto in 2011
Let's not forget Villo also swept Monster Cup in 2011. For me that might put it over the edge for the greatest year ever
RC swept the US Open in 05, went 1-1 at MXDN, went 12-0 (22-2) in outdoors, and won 7 SX’s.

That is the best season in the history of moto.
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DV, or anyone who might know.

How many other riders have made mxon their first ever 450 race and won that individual class?
Dungey did in 09 I believe
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Dungey did in 09 I believe
I’m pretty sure he raced a few rounds of sx in 08 on a 450.

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scott_nz wrote:
Dungey did in 09 I believe
ge217 wrote:
I’m pretty sure he raced a few rounds of sx in 08 on a 450.
I think Dungey raced a couple rounds on the 450 in '09, not 08. His rookie season on the 450 was 2010.
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dv12.com wrote:
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work...
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work... Here they are:

David Bailey in 1983.
Jeff Ward in 1985.
Ricky Johnson in 1986.
Ricky Johnson in 1988 (AMA MX 500)
Jeff Stanton in 1989/1990
Ricky Carmichael in 2005
Ryan Dungey in 2010
Ryan Villopoto in 2011
Let's not forget Villo also swept Monster Cup in 2011. For me that might put it over the edge for the greatest year ever
MEC doesn't count towards anything bruh, just the bank account... Marvin won it, everyone forgot about it and no one talks about it
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scott_nz wrote:
Dungey did in 09 I believe
ge217 wrote:
I’m pretty sure he raced a few rounds of sx in 08 on a 450.
TriRacer27 wrote:
I think Dungey raced a couple rounds on the 450 in '09, not 08. His rookie season on the 450 was 2010.

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#434 wrote:
Big accomplishment for Eli!

DV, after this season and now the Chamberlain trophy in his bag, where do you rank Eli all time?
dv12.com wrote:
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1. You could argue...
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1.

You could argue putting RJ/Wardy/Stanton in there but they had 2 chances a season to win a MX title racing 250 & 500, Eli only had 1. I'm confident with 2nd US MX all time for Eli
Great analysis, DV, and hard to argue against any of the criteria you used to come up with your conclusion.

I was bummed when I heard ET3 was not racing outdoor next season but now that he has his MXoN title, I think he should go out at Champion. The bummer is for Star Racing to not run the #1 plate two years in a row
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dv12.com wrote:
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1. You could argue...
Strictly MX, I'd rank him 2nd with 4 premiere crowns behind RC (7 rings!). RD won 3 and RV 2, Stew only 1.

You could argue putting RJ/Wardy/Stanton in there but they had 2 chances a season to win a MX title racing 250 & 500, Eli only had 1. I'm confident with 2nd US MX all time for Eli
scott_nz wrote:
Glover is second on total mx titles with 6 to Rc 10. I feel he is always looked over Winning on a yz490 vs the factory...
Glover is second on total mx titles with 6 to Rc 10. I feel he is always looked over

Winning on a yz490 vs the factory Hondas of the day should mean something too
Glover may have 6 titles ,but he only actually won 5 of them. He was an incredible talent , cant argue that .
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dv12.com wrote:
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work...
Someone asked me on IG who else won SX/MX/MXDN the same year like Eli did... Thought it was an interesting question so I went to work... Here they are:

David Bailey in 1983.
Jeff Ward in 1985.
Ricky Johnson in 1986.
Ricky Johnson in 1988 (AMA MX 500)
Jeff Stanton in 1989/1990
Ricky Carmichael in 2005
Ryan Dungey in 2010
Ryan Villopoto in 2011
Let's not forget Villo also swept Monster Cup in 2011. For me that might put it over the edge for the greatest year ever
dv12.com wrote:
MEC doesn't count towards anything bruh, just the bank account... Marvin won it, everyone forgot about it and no one talks about it
Just like the US Open.
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Hold on a minute DV, you gotta dig in a bit more before counting them up. I was asking the same question in another thread. Very...
Hold on a minute DV, you gotta dig in a bit more before counting them up.

I was asking the same question in another thread. Very small list of riders, but even smaller when you factor in how the outdoor championship has changed. Up until 1986, riders had to pick either the 500 or 250 class. For a while, the 500 class was the premier one, so let's break them down.

1983 and 1985. Bailey and Ward won the 250 supercross and 250 outdoor title, but Broc Glover won the 500 outdoor title in 83 and 85 and . It's arguable that, in those days, the 500 class was still considered the premier class, but given that riders had to pick either 500 or 250 (they ran concurrently all year in 1983). Some would say this doesn't count but I say it counts for Bailey and Ward.

In 1986 came the production rule and big changes to the outdoors. Now the 250s would run the first half of the series and the 500s the second, so a premier class rider had a shot at 2 outdoor titles. That's is obviously not the same as winning a 12 round series, so for it to count the same as winning one of today's premier titles, you really need to look at how that rider did at all outdoor rounds combined.

In 1986, Johnson won the 250 class and came second to Bailey in the 500s, but he won the 250s by 46 points and lost the 500s by 6, so over the 12 rounds he still scored the most points, and won the SX and MXoN, so 1986 counts for Johnson.

In 1988, Johnson won 250 SX and 500 Motocross, but finished second to Jeff ward. RJ won the 500s by 24 points and lost in the 250 class by 7 points so, same as 1986, this counts. 2X triple crown for RJ.

1989, Stanton won the 250 SX title but swapped motocross titles with Jeff Ward. He beat Wardy in 250s by 16 points, but lost the 500 title to Wardy by 21. So technically, 1989's overall outdoor title would've gone to Wardy and not Stanton.

1990 is the same story as 1989, just a different points spread.


SOOO, comparing apples to apples, RJ is a badass with 2 triple crowns, and I would give Bailey and Ward one as well, but Stanton wouldn't have done if in a combined 12-round outdoor series (hurst me to type this because I love 6-Time).

Technically, on even terms, 7 riders have a true claim to this. Bailey, Ward, RJ, RC, RV, Dungey and Tomac. If you're really stingy about comparing only the true premier class, then it's 5 riders.

Jeff Ward and Ryan Dungey are the only 2 to do this in their rookie years.
The 250 class was the premier class in the US from at least ‘78 on. Maybe a few years before that as well.
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9/26/2022 9:42pm
Eli Tomac was also the oldest to ever win an SX title. Then he broke that record 2 years later. His longevity is insane. He’s won 3 premier titles past the age that villo and RC retired.
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Eli Tomac was also the oldest to ever win an SX title. Then he broke that record 2 years later. His longevity is insane. He’s won...
Eli Tomac was also the oldest to ever win an SX title. Then he broke that record 2 years later. His longevity is insane. He’s won 3 premier titles past the age that villo and RC retired.
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Considering how many times RC has won the SX MX and DN, it's strange to see he won all 3 in the same year 'only' once
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Considering how many times RC has won the SX MX and DN, it's strange to see he won all 3 in the same year 'only' once
I thought so too, kind of weird how things shook out

2001 - 9/11 kept USA from MXDN
2002 - Competition Park fiasco means no MXDN
2003 - won the individual but Lost MXDN when Ferry got injured and Ryno lost a chain. Didn’t send our best three guys (stew and Kdub stayed home)
2005 - won all three
2006 - hurt his shoulder at the last national and missed MXDN
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