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I think Jason Weigandt and Steve Cox made some great comments in the "post race" show about the psychological battle between Stewart and Dungey (though i'm probably in the minority of finding this stuff interesting, as a graduate psychology student).
However, Jason mentioned that Stewart was probably hoping to beat Dungey, to get into his head for 2011, and make him question his 2010 dominance/program. If I had to take a guess now, after Stewart's mental meltdown from being stuck in the pack for the first time in his life during Moto #2, and being so heated he couldn't even speak with Erin Bates on live TV, Dungey is probably the one getting into his head. And if not, the seed has at least been planted.
Also, how do you think it feels for Stewart to get beat by not only Ryan Dungey in Moto #1, but Clement Desalle, as well? As Jeff Emig pointed out, the guy has gone piratically his entire life dominating, with the exception of racing Ricky Carmichael.
Think about that for a second. Imagine going your whole entire life dominating your sport from the 50cc amateur class, all the way up to the 450 professional class, with the exception of racing the, "Greatest of All Time." And not only that, but being hailed as the fastest man on two wheels.
Though Stewart hates losing, probably more than anyone the sport has ever seen, and it's obvious with his full speed ahead and damned the consequences approach to racing, I think he could handle, to some extent, losing to Carmichael; because Ricky was such a legend. These other guys though, such as Dungey, Desalle, and the ten riders in front of Stewart in Moto #2, are not legends, especially in mind of James Stewart!
I don't believe for one second he pulled off in Moto #2 for the safety of his health, or inability to finish the moto. That would have been a rational decision, where he would have been calm enough to talk to Erin Bates on live TV. If I had to guess, he probably pulled off in an emotional storm from where he was at the time, and where he expected himself to be, judging by how he stonewalled Erin Bates on live national television.
These next three rounds should be super exciting! For anyone to think Stewart is only as good as his last race is ridiculous. He's going to get a little fitter, and hopefully the bike will get more dialed in, but after these next three rounds, he might not only have to rebound from the physical injury, he might also have to rebound from the mental beating of Dungey, leading into the 2011 Supercross season.
However, Jason mentioned that Stewart was probably hoping to beat Dungey, to get into his head for 2011, and make him question his 2010 dominance/program. If I had to take a guess now, after Stewart's mental meltdown from being stuck in the pack for the first time in his life during Moto #2, and being so heated he couldn't even speak with Erin Bates on live TV, Dungey is probably the one getting into his head. And if not, the seed has at least been planted.
Also, how do you think it feels for Stewart to get beat by not only Ryan Dungey in Moto #1, but Clement Desalle, as well? As Jeff Emig pointed out, the guy has gone piratically his entire life dominating, with the exception of racing Ricky Carmichael.
Think about that for a second. Imagine going your whole entire life dominating your sport from the 50cc amateur class, all the way up to the 450 professional class, with the exception of racing the, "Greatest of All Time." And not only that, but being hailed as the fastest man on two wheels.
Though Stewart hates losing, probably more than anyone the sport has ever seen, and it's obvious with his full speed ahead and damned the consequences approach to racing, I think he could handle, to some extent, losing to Carmichael; because Ricky was such a legend. These other guys though, such as Dungey, Desalle, and the ten riders in front of Stewart in Moto #2, are not legends, especially in mind of James Stewart!
I don't believe for one second he pulled off in Moto #2 for the safety of his health, or inability to finish the moto. That would have been a rational decision, where he would have been calm enough to talk to Erin Bates on live TV. If I had to guess, he probably pulled off in an emotional storm from where he was at the time, and where he expected himself to be, judging by how he stonewalled Erin Bates on live national television.
These next three rounds should be super exciting! For anyone to think Stewart is only as good as his last race is ridiculous. He's going to get a little fitter, and hopefully the bike will get more dialed in, but after these next three rounds, he might not only have to rebound from the physical injury, he might also have to rebound from the mental beating of Dungey, leading into the 2011 Supercross season.
stfu.
good post Hank_Thrill
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dungey knows how fast stewart and rv are healthy!
It was one race. James knew he would not be ready.
But I do think RD and RV are the future of MX.
That being said I am huge fan of all three guys.
To them.....racing in the 60cc class 10-15 years ago , was just as important to them then , as these races are to them now! Seriously.......don't over analyze things to much.
When you are 8yrs old , on the line with 20 other kids.....you want to beat them all....no matter what! They don't feel any different now , and most "Core" racers will tell you the same thing.
There is not as much mind games out on the track as you may think.....and even LESS after the race! These guys do nothing but think about getting to the checkers first......they don't care who they beat.....as long as they win , or try as hard as they can
There is no "mind-battle" type shit going on here. Sometimes guys who don't like each other , also race against each other....I've done it for years. But there were no physiological games being played.........we were all there to do the same thing......RACE!
Are we effected by how others do when they line up on the same gate? come on be honest.
Pit Row
Good thing you guys don't talk other sports, how many bad games have pitchers had coming back from an injury. Some of you would have them buried after one game back.. Some GM you would make..
On another point as far as the psyco-babble goes... It's August, James is not going to be in title contention till January, it is a bit early for mind games. Besides we all know SX is a completely different beast. On top of that I wouldn't be surprised if L&M is a SX only team again.
As far as the mind games go... Stewart losing is the best thing for him. His beat down will do one of two things motivate him, or make him give up. Which do you think is going to happen. Stewart is focused on one thing and one thing only, SX titles. I bet the only reason he is even racing the final 4 nats is because the rash of shit he is getting and for Bubba's World footage.
Enjoy watching him at the last three rounds, it might be the last time you see him on an outdoor track.
I agree that it could actually motivate bubba but only if he really is planning on a full out assault next year. By that i mean i would have to question hi drive at this point, not so much because RD is faster but because he is rich and may be burned out if you listen to his show. It would be hard for any man to push the limits if you were in his position wouldn't it? Guess we shall see come 2011!
"A lot has changed since Stewart last raced outdoors, most notably: he now has his own TV show. The Fuel TV crew follows James around just about everywhere for “Bubba’s World.”"
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