The "Holy Grail" # - 7 c'ships or 72 wins?

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They sure do talk a lot about MC's 72 wins and not at all about his 7 c'ships. And boy, are they hyping up James' wins with the intro before the main! You would think he was the defending champ!Whistling but I guess wins don't mean nothing!Tongue
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dantheman 3/29/2014 10:14pm
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You remember when earlier you posted "KDUB said... " about James Toronto race?

Emig and MC said "James has nothing to lose and no pressure while RV has everything to lose and all the pressure." That is in regards to... the... CHAMPIONSHIP!

Beating MC's 72 win's record would mean something... YOU KNOW THIS! Silly
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jeffro503 3/29/2014 10:22pm
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rcm406 wrote:
They sure do talk a lot about MC's 72 wins and not at all about his 7 c'ships. And boy, are they hyping up James' wins...
They sure do talk a lot about MC's 72 wins and not at all about his 7 c'ships. And boy, are they hyping up James' wins with the intro before the main! You would think he was the defending champ!Whistling but I guess wins don't mean nothing!Tongue
The single event wins is all that's basically left for James now. Championship aint gonna happen , no matter how much you wanna pray for it. James is running a strong second half of the season......but he needed a strong first half as well.

And don't kid yourself about the " Wording " in the booth.....they mention championships plenty unless you're not listening. MC just has so friggin many Ralph probably loses count. Laughing
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TDeath21 3/29/2014 10:27pm
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Well that one is tough for me because I feel like a rider can rack up a lot of wins in "garbage time" so to speak when they are completely out of the championship picture. Championships require consistency throughout the entire series. I would say the seven championships are more impressive because you have to be the best supercross rider in the world for seven years. That's pretty amazing.

You look at Carmichael. He got the championships but paid the price in race wins to bring home the championships. Stewart has gotten the race wins but has paid the price in championships. For McGrath to have both like he does is incredible. His records are untouchable.
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Crush 3/29/2014 10:45pm
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I'm sure RC didn't mind getting passed, he probably looked at his 5 championship rings and remembered the weight of his bank balance.

Titles are what it's about.

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Uncleof2 3/29/2014 10:53pm
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I would say that both are important and that is why Jeremy is the King of SX. One without the other is really a footnote.
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Crush 3/29/2014 11:01pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well that one is tough for me because I feel like a rider can rack up a lot of wins in "garbage time" so to speak...
Well that one is tough for me because I feel like a rider can rack up a lot of wins in "garbage time" so to speak when they are completely out of the championship picture. Championships require consistency throughout the entire series. I would say the seven championships are more impressive because you have to be the best supercross rider in the world for seven years. That's pretty amazing.

You look at Carmichael. He got the championships but paid the price in race wins to bring home the championships. Stewart has gotten the race wins but has paid the price in championships. For McGrath to have both like he does is incredible. His records are untouchable.
Did Carmichael pay the price!?!?

Up until last week he was 2nd all time in both titles and wins...
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oldAFI 3/29/2014 11:21pm
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A "championship" is a stat (as per points), but actually winning races is the point of racing imo
crashnburn11 3/29/2014 11:26pm
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Undefeated SX season is the holy grail to me, because it seems like the least likely thing to happen, at least nowadays. I think Jeremy may have gotten the closest to it that is going to happen.
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Uncleof2 3/29/2014 11:29pm
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oldAFI wrote:
A "championship" is a stat (as per points), but actually winning races is the point of racing imo
Actually a Championship is winning a year and a win is winning a night, and less people have won championships than those that have wins.
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oldAFI 3/29/2014 11:35pm
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oldAFI wrote:
A "championship" is a stat (as per points), but actually winning races is the point of racing imo
Uncleof2 wrote:
Actually a Championship is winning a year and a win is winning a night, and less people have won championships than those that have wins.
Yes of course, races are plenty, years are few.
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TDeath21 3/30/2014 1:30am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Well that one is tough for me because I feel like a rider can rack up a lot of wins in "garbage time" so to speak...
Well that one is tough for me because I feel like a rider can rack up a lot of wins in "garbage time" so to speak when they are completely out of the championship picture. Championships require consistency throughout the entire series. I would say the seven championships are more impressive because you have to be the best supercross rider in the world for seven years. That's pretty amazing.

You look at Carmichael. He got the championships but paid the price in race wins to bring home the championships. Stewart has gotten the race wins but has paid the price in championships. For McGrath to have both like he does is incredible. His records are untouchable.
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Did Carmichael pay the price!?!?

Up until last week he was 2nd all time in both titles and wins...
Just saying there were times he probably could have won but was in championship mode. End of 05 for sure and probably a couple at the end of 03 too. Stewart is the exact opposite. He has racked up the wins, but the style of riding he had pre Suzuki era that got him those wins cost him championships.
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Crush 3/30/2014 2:17am
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Yeah I know.... Still did pretty well for the wins tho! I doubt he left that many out there. When he could win RC usually grabbed it with both hands, that's why he was so good, got it done when it counted and never really missed an opportunity.

05 I'd agree... He was unreal that year, corners were insane and I definitely think once James came back he was playing it safe a bit more. 03 I really don't think he could beat Reed at the end with that bike and he also not only had a points cushion but could have crashed trying if need be and still got 2nd. Didn't the podium go Reed, RC, Ernie like 6 straight weeks or something?
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TDeath21 3/30/2014 2:34am
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Crush wrote:
Yeah I know.... Still did pretty well for the wins tho! I doubt he left that many out there. When he could win RC usually grabbed...
Yeah I know.... Still did pretty well for the wins tho! I doubt he left that many out there. When he could win RC usually grabbed it with both hands, that's why he was so good, got it done when it counted and never really missed an opportunity.

05 I'd agree... He was unreal that year, corners were insane and I definitely think once James came back he was playing it safe a bit more. 03 I really don't think he could beat Reed at the end with that bike and he also not only had a points cushion but could have crashed trying if need be and still got 2nd. Didn't the podium go Reed, RC, Ernie like 6 straight weeks or something?
Yeah the last six races of the year had the exact same podium. Reed was definitely on fire that year towards the end. 04 would have been awesome if Carmichael didn't have to get knee surgery. Didn't they change the frame on the YZ for 05 and Reed didn't like it as much?
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Crush 3/30/2014 4:29am
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Yep... DV, Ferry and Reed all said that it was terrible.

That year in 03 Reed was so clean at the end... Comfortable while Ricky looked like he was holding onto that CR... If Reed's bike stayed the same you'd expect he'd be about the same in 04/05 right,.. Well fuck 05 was horrible watchin RC just mow Reed on every flat turn. Atlanta was the worst.... They also mowed the berms that year cause of Goerke, even worse.

Watching a vid I remember Mel Harris (Is that his name, the Suzuki big guy) talking about riders who also tested the RM for the 05 season and it seemed like he was insinuating that Reed wanted more money... Kinda wish he went there cause the Yamaha 4 stroke was also behind it seemed for the following years. JT mentioned something about Reed testing the bike too on pulp a few weeks back.

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downard254 3/30/2014 6:44am
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Uncleof2 wrote:
I would say that both are important and that is why Jeremy is the King of SX. One without the other is really a footnote.
^This, one without the other is a hollow victory, but it would mean something.
However, to get 73+ wins will not earn you the king crown without beating the 7 titles to go along with it.
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ToolMaker 3/30/2014 7:49am
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I think the #4 play book was if you have a comfortable points lead towards the end of the season, protect the lead
instead of racing for the night's win. If RC did not have as big of a lead late in the season he would have raced harder
and had more race wins. I could be wrong but my recollection is 22's wins were mostly later in the season.

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