The Hahn / Wharton Parade lap incident

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3/9/2009 1:16 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2016 10:51 PM

Dont remember if i posted this yet or not. Pretty crazy, cant believe they didnt have an official or course worker monitoring that section.




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3/9/2009 1:25 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/9/2009 1:26 PM

Thanks for posting. I am suprised there wasn't more said about this. I guess everyone is too worried about J-law.

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3/9/2009 1:27 PM

That was just stupid. I hope Hahn wasn't pissed at anyone but himself there.

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3/9/2009 1:31 PM

Adam43 wrote:

That was just stupid. I hope Hahn wasn't pissed at anyone but himself there.

Last I checked, everyone practices a start on the hot lap. It is not Wil's fault, but I am not saying it's Wharton's either. There is ALWAYS an official or three standing where tracks cross, and there wasn't anyone there this time....

Bummer deal for Wilbur.

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3/9/2009 1:39 PM

Adam43 wrote:

That was just stupid. I hope Hahn wasn't pissed at anyone but himself there.

What?

The track officials should be in place slowing them down well before the crossing if there are still bikes in the starting area. No one should have been allowed to cross the track until all bikes have left. There is a reason most tracks don't cross themselves.

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Go for it! Don't let a little thing like fear, or common sense hold you back.

3/9/2009 1:41 PM

Who were the officials at Daytona? The AMA or FIM? There is nothing about supercross at all on the AMA Pro web site. Just Motocross.

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3/9/2009 1:42 PM

This is the tracks fault... no one should be able to enter back across the starting gate while guys are still there waiting to take the parade lap.

Because of the layout they should have "pre-thought" about this scenario... start straight... quick 180 and short run to 90 back across starting grid... with some guys shooting out and riding quick on the parade and other taking more of a glance at various parts of the track this was bound to happen.

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3/9/2009 1:44 PM

Damn that RC for designing that track!

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3/9/2009 1:46 PM

Common sense would tell me, "ok those guys just took off, in a couple seconds they are going to come around in front of me. Wait til they go by" That's just me though.

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United States of America

3/9/2009 1:48 PM

and we wonder why people can cut the track make up 12 positions and not one official fuckball notices....lol

thx scottie.

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3/9/2009 1:49 PM

Camp...you do realize most kid's in that main event haven't passed 7th grade, right? wink

I do know Wil has his HS diploma, but other than that....................

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3/9/2009 1:53 PM

dennisjonon wrote:

Camp...you do realize most kid's in that main event haven't passed 7th grade, right? wink

I do know Wil has his HS diploma, but other than that....................

Damn, I was trying to give the kid more credit than that. EL oh L!

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United States of America

3/9/2009 2:02 PM

BobbyM wrote:

and we wonder why people can cut the track make up 12 positions and not one official fuckball notices....lol

thx scottie.

Jeez, Bob, you're starting to sound like as much of an obsessive pussy bitch as the people that rag on Alessi. Or even Gman. tongue

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3/9/2009 2:32 PM

the simple solution to avoid the whole situation would have been to have them pull forward in front of the line where the track overlaps...so they could practice their start and cross over the start safely. It was just stupid error for someone in power not thinking!! Imagine that!!!

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3/9/2009 3:14 PM

the FIM thought the AMA had it covered and the AMA thought the FIM had it covered!

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3/9/2009 3:51 PM

todder wrote:

Who were the officials at Daytona? The AMA or FIM? There is nothing about supercross at all on the AMA Pro web site. Just Motocross.

The FIM has no jurisdiction on 250F racing.

Yup that was a screw up for sure.

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3/9/2009 4:10 PM

A big screw up , they should have had someone stopping bikes before they crossed back over the start area. With that said Hahn should have realized how the track ran and looked before taking off since he was so late.

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3/9/2009 4:20 PM

BobbyM wrote:

and we wonder why people can cut the track make up 12 positions and not one official fuckball notices....lol

thx scottie.

your a fucking idiot shut the fuck up

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3/9/2009 6:09 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2016 10:51 PM

todder wrote:

Who were the officials at Daytona? The AMA or FIM? There is nothing about supercross at all on the AMA Pro web site. Just Motocross.

500guy wrote:

The FIM has no jurisdiction on 250F racing.

Yup that was a screw up for sure.

This is reminiscent of how Corraddo Maddii lost a promised world title during practise of the last GP125 of the year 1984.


He was on Hahn's position and Michele Fanton played Wharton's role.


Major difference : Maddii broke his leg in the incident.


Rinaldi, who was runner up coming into that final, basically had to finish both motos and the first ever title for an Italian was going to be his (instead of Corraddo's)...


He was very upset at the situation and even claimed at one point after practise that he was not going to race in the afternoon.


But people pointed to him that he had been injured himself (broken arm I think) and missed severall GP's after dominating the early season.

So there really was no reason for him to not capitalize on Maddii's misfortune.


Also, Suzuki had stayed undefeated since the introduction of the 125 GP's, thanks to Gaston Rahier, Harry Everts, Akira Watanabe, Eric Geboers and now Michele Rinaldi.

I'm sure some people wearing yellow pointed that out to him also.


So, Rinaldi became World Champion and Maddii never had a shot at it again.


Just thought I was gonna throw a piece of history there, and prove that these type of mistakes may have dramatic consequences.

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3/9/2009 6:16 PM

theyouthahead wrote:

your a fucking idiot shut the fuck up

You're or You are . Now STFU moron!

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3/9/2009 6:20 PM

With the track set up the way it was they shouldn't have allowed people to lay back and practice starts.

Really neither rider was at fault.

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Jim Martin

3/9/2009 6:21 PM

Let's just stop with the arguing about j-law now... mmk?

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3/9/2009 6:23 PM

i saw j-law tell hahn to go... true story

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suck it

3/9/2009 7:33 PM

Bad track design from a safety stand point for sure.

Why do they let the monkey go and blame the monkey wrench?

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Some things are classic, some things are just old.

3/9/2009 9:28 PM

Xavier wrote:

This is reminiscent of how Corraddo Maddii lost a promised world title during practise of the last GP125 of the year 1984.


He was on Hahn's position and Michele Fanton played Wharton's role.


Major difference : Maddii broke his leg in the incident.


Rinaldi, who was runner up coming into that final, basically had to finish both motos and the first ever title for an Italian was going to be his (instead of Corraddo's)...


He was very upset at the situation and even claimed at one point after practise that he was not going to race in the afternoon.


But people pointed to him that he had been injured himself (broken arm I think) and missed severall GP's after dominating the early season.

So there really was no reason for him to not capitalize on Maddii's misfortune.


Also, Suzuki had stayed undefeated since the introduction of the 125 GP's, thanks to Gaston Rahier, Harry Everts, Akira Watanabe, Eric Geboers and now Michele Rinaldi.

I'm sure some people wearing yellow pointed that out to him also.


So, Rinaldi became World Champion and Maddii never had a shot at it again.


Just thought I was gonna throw a piece of history there, and prove that these type of mistakes may have dramatic consequences.

Thanks for the history lesson.
I never knew the story of Maddii's misfortune. That Gilera he raced was pretty trick for it's day.

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3/9/2009 9:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/16/2016 10:52 PM

Sawblade wrote:

Bad track design from a safety stand point for sure.

Why do they let the monkey go and blame the monkey wrench?

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3/9/2009 11:20 PM

That was bush league. Track workers really not doing the job. I doubt Wil was super-pissed at Wharton. They are from the same neck o'the woods. Plus there is no way they could have seen each other with that pylon in the way.

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3/10/2009 1:05 AM

Its too bad that in all the training and preparation and x's and o's that get covered something this backward and goofy is even able to happen.

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3/10/2009 5:07 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/10/2009 5:12 AM

I heard it was Jason Lawrence's fault.

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