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How does the “10x worse death rate than the flu” data hold up once antibody tests start showing the number of people recovered from the virus is 10 to 40 times higher than the original estimate?
My opinion now resides with antibodies testing which show numbers similar to the flu. Also, important to track age groups (and underlying conditions) more at risk. Other states have been transparent on their age related deaths, but good luck finding a breakdown of age and underlying conditions in California.
Even with the absolutely best stay-in-home shelter orders...humans have a way of not following those guidelines. I've seen it, I've lived it. And through it all,(5 weeks) California has 1,268 deaths in a population of 40,000,000? Calling bullshit on this stay-in-shelter needing to continue and furthermore California needs to re-open on a county by county basis.
This all-for-one / one-for-all approach concerning the virus (in California and some other states) will be the death knell for a lot of good citizens/small businesses whose communities could have rebounded with safer guidelines. Going to work should be like going to the grocery store or the tire shop.
Now free speech has been pulled. All permits suspended for protests at the Capitol.(Sacramento, CA).
Which reminds me, excuse this tangent. My father-in-law smoked on the beach in Sarasota,FL. which was outlawed. When told by nosy beach goers "you can't smoke here"...he responded "I have a permit"
Time for this State's population to continue to wake the fuck up.
The Shop
All the while mocking the US with preliminary data that, day by day, is being proven wrong?
Sounds typical, actually.
Shasta County, California (population 180K): 26 cases, 3 deaths, 19 recovered. That's right aound 1 in 7,000 people.
(180,000:26)
The Stanford Study sampled 3,300 people and found that the anti-bodies are already out there & the affected/previously infected population is WAY beyond what was perviously thought.
Then there's the whinny little shits that live in sparsely populated countries telling us "how it is" or "why things are the way they are". Classic!
This thing is HIGHLY INFECTIOUS. We need to have some common-sense in our conduct,
And that's all there is to it.
Do we need to lighten up on some of the restrictions in certain areas? Probably.
Seems weird.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-skatepark-sand-dirtbikes-social-d…
To your point of 'experts', no I don't trust them. Their projections and info are always changing too as the metrics change. Don't forget that the experts were against the travel ban in America. Also the fact that so many experts wanted more ventilators is worrisome as vents don't really help plus cause its own trauma.
But the 10x mortality rate you keep espousing is nowhere near correct. I'm positive my kids had it in the middle of February. One daughter had high fevers for a week and missed two weeks of school. Another missed a week and a half with shortness of breath, always tired. The third was mildly sick for about 5 days...and it didn't seem to touch me. I'm a territory manager for a supply company. I visit and talk up to a hundred people per day. A lot of key contact people I deal with missed work in February and March, some saying they had the worst sickness they ever had. Good chance many of these people as well as many others already had it and were never counted. Plus all the asymptomatic people that never knew they had it. That's where the new focus on antibody testing is important in learning more and redrawing the data.
Wait, let me amend that.
Mother Nature is trying to do a reset on the evolution of the human species, but we keep screwing it up by not letting the smarter-than-everyone-else people go outside.
We're all socially distancing at our off road park. I think people are tired of the BS and fear-mongering. Here's the secret in stats from someone with a master's in the subject --- garbage in garbage out. I could also put together a detailed correlation of data showing that eating ice cream causes cancer.
Well said.
Pit Row
And I get it vital doesn’t trust them, but they are a damn site more educated on the topic than anyone here.
So let’s assume that it’s not 10x more deadly than the flu, why are morgues in NY overflowing? And this is despite the biggest shut down in history. What would be happening if people weren’t ‘social distancing’
Given the current measures, if the hypothesis on this site is correct, the morgues should be getting fewer ‘customers’ than ever
I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I am sorry I don’t see how anyone can argue against the obvious fact that shitloads of people are dying.
My point was that even if their numbers were 30% off.
30,000 deaths in a month especially given the current measures in place is astronomical.
Also the death numbers are exaggerated, That's what happens when our Government monetizes it.
The more deaths and sickness reported = more federal money.
Also you use New York as an example which is the United States’ most populous city where people live on top of each other like cockroaches. A place where rats are abundant on the streets.
It’s easy to see through your lack of knowledge of the states. It was apparent when you stated the US seems “very divided to you.“ That’s FAR from accurate. But maybe you base your assumptions off of social media and forums which.......wait for it........isn’t real life. So please continue to educate us on our own countries behavior since you seem to be an expert.
I’ll continue to keep social distancing while running/cycling/hiking at the bay and saying good morning to the people I pass by regardless of political affiliation or COVID beliefs because guess what? People are actually nice here in real life!
Offer 1 million each to the top 100 medical scientists.
Lock them up in Fort Dietrich or Johns Hopkins in Maryland.
Nobody leaves, or gets paid, until a vaccine is perfected.
It's pennies on what they are spending now.
Here’s everyone’s favorite CDC telling us what we should be worried about. But, but trust them, they’re “experts”.
But if you really want to look at the numbers at this early stage in the game, take a look at the deaths per million compared to their neighboring countries.
Sweden 192
Norway 34
Finland 27
Denmark 66
Poland 11
Estonia 33
And you are right, social media and forums are the worst judge of a society. So I am glad to hear that my opinion about the US being divided is wrong in your eyes.
Sounds like you are doing all the right things with social distancing, keep it up. 👍
I will never snitch on people for not social distancing (although I will think they are a bunch of morons)
But I find it a bit disrespectful when people compare things to the Holocaust unless the actions are actually comparable to the holocaust.
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