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They do it in other forms of racing. It would be great, you race with like speed riders young and old.
You can't let the crazies run the asylum. Shorter day, more seat time, less classes and trophies, no need to join multiple classes to be satisfied, closer racing with people your own speed, full gates.
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For my desert series...Green Background/White number: Novice (C)....Yellow Background/Black number: Amateur ( B )...White Background/Black Number: Expert (A). Then have an aggressive "point out" system to move people up.
That in and of itself eliminates most of the sandbagging. Nobody wants to be riding around the pits looking like a factory star in their blinged out bike, and shiney new gear with Green plates on their bike.
First year I raced 250C. I did pretty good after I figured out what the front brake is for.
Second year I bought a RM400. I weighed 135 pounds. No open C class, so I moved to Open B. Did ok. Bike was to damn big for me. Learned a lot though. I looked like a flag flying in the wind.
Third year I bought a 125. Raced the B class & I was flying. Did real good. Never tried Loretta's. No mon no fun.
Took me 4 years but I had finally arrived at my goal. the expert class (A) on a 125. I got smoked. I got banged around. As soon as there was a dollar bill at the finish line things got serious quick. I never considered my self as a fast A rider. I was just too conservative. But I showed up every weekend (sometimes twice a week) and put in the time & raced with the elite of District 5. To this day I wish I would have tried to qualify for a national. My only regret.
Today it takes an act of God to get peeps to move up. I do not understand it. I suppose there are different goals in play now. That is fine. Just stay out of the +50 class!
Racing the clock is stupid in drag racing (granted it keeps everyone competitive). Racing the clock, while racing against other people, on a dirt bike is even more dumb.
How are you going to determines what class races what time? Are you going to have a bunch of guys, with a known pace, go out and set the parameters before every race? What if the guys set a pace in the morning when it is muddy, and the track speeds up considerably? Then everyone will be DQ'd.
You certainly can let the guys practice the track and decide which class to run.
It'll keep things tight because nobody wants to get DQed. You will learn how to set the
time brackets to make it work. Maybe it's a dumb idea, and maybe it's not.
Pit Row
Riders may not participate in a “C” class if they have ever:
a. Participated at the National in any previous year in any class, with the exception of any 51cc (4-6), any Girls or Youth Beginner (2011) class, as well as any Women Amateur class riders finishing outside of the top 10;
b. Received any type of OEM factory support in any class (excluding OEM contingency and trackside support);
c. Held an AMA professional motorcycle racing license in any discipline;
d. Earned a Rider Performance Value (RPV) of 15.0 or higher the previous advancement year (Nov. 1, 2016 - Oct. 31, 2017) in any class, including youth divisions; or
e. If they have raced in a “C” division in 2016 and 2017 and have an RPV of 13.0 or higher as of Oct. 31, 2017.
f. For more information regarding “C” class eligibility and/or reclassification, or to check RPV status, visit www.amaracing.com.
Once qualified for the National, riders may not voluntarily advance in class prior to competing in the National.
Foreign or Non-US citizens must obtain eligibility approval from the AMA prior to participating in the National program at any level (Qualifier, Regional or National Final). With the exception of Canada, foreign citizens are not eligible for a “C” designated class. Click HERE for AMA International License Eligibility Application.
Challenges to rider eligibility must be received by the AMA no later than June 30, 2018. Challenges must be in writing and sent by certified mail or email to the following addresses: AMA, Attn: MX Manager, 13515 Yarmouth Dr., Pickerington, OH 43147 or to mxracing@ama-cycle.org. Rider eligibility challenges received after this date will be accepted at the sole discretion of AMA.
You can only ride the C class once at Loretta's
There are some very fast C riders here in California they can put down lap times comparable to B riders the difference is putting a whole race together without any mistakes. I've seen plenty of kids move up, who you thought would be competing for wins, that struggled to run up front in B. My son has slowly made his way to the top 10 in the C class at TWMX and the big AMA races and wants to move up to B but he's not ready IMO.
As for Vets sandbagging, for god's sake how many C trophies do you need move up already.
BobPA or anyone else, I'd really appreciate you playing devil's advocate with the system I mentioned with transponders, any kinks or unintended consequences that could be worked out in advance would help.
Come August, we had managed to only have them race C class at Area and Regional qualifiers and both qualified for LL. Their finishes were 2-12-4 and 7-9-9 respectively. I was a mid pack A class rider then and my youngest brother had the endurance to beat me in a 30 min moto as he was in better shape and not too far off from me in speed. There is a VAST difference in a C class rider on a National level vs a Local level. I'm not sure you will ever be able to properly separate the C & D classes by skill for that reason. The speed differential is just a lot bigger than it is in say, A & B class. At least in D class you can limit jumping if you want and that makes it closer, plus kids move up to C faster because they want to do all the jumps, but the biggest speed and skill variance always seems to be in C class, no matter where you are racing.
B class gate is half full.
Not sure why those top 10 C guys aren't moved up to B, filling up the B gate and allowing everyone to run their 2 motos, instead of the day containing 2 heat races, an LCQ and then the main... I missed my main one day because the day had taken so long, that after my LCQ and my second Vet moto I totally forgot I still had a main to go race.
I was on the verge of B class a few years ago, bunch of top 5 and top 3 wins, but once I hit my vet years I sort of developed a slightly slower but safer pace, so I'll always be a C when it comes to racing the younger guys, might hit our A level for Vets though... Give me a real 20+ minute moto and I'll wear most of the kids out though!
Genius idea. Vitalmx is the place for all things brilliant.
I agree, I don't think its fair to move them up without even having given them a chance. 90 percent are ready but the others aren't.
One year in the C class would be sufficient to see if they are ready IMO
As soon as I was able to get into the top 10 in 125C (out of 40-50+ entrants) I moved up to B. If everyone did that, the problem would correct itself.
But of course that will never happen because people would rather be an up front C rider than a mid-pack or last place B rider. There is no such thing as self-reliance and challenging one's self any more. #motocrossmetoo!
Back in the good old days, one had to turn pro to get any support. My how the times have changed!
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