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Ddavis
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 1:09am
The East/West Shootout will now give out points towards the west/east series? WHY!?! This is stupid, who loves going to the E/W shootout and seeing a shiny #1w and #e, East vs West, the gloves are off! This 1. makes confusion in the crowd for points/coasts/etc and 2. ruins vegas E/W tradition.

Thoughts on this? Who realllly thinks this is a good idea?

Sorry the topic name is inappropiate, i was just like "seriously???" when i made the topic.
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10/27/2010 8:34am
Ddavis wrote:
The East/West Shootout will now give out points towards the west/east series? WHY!?! This is stupid, who loves going to the E/W shootout and seeing a...
The East/West Shootout will now give out points towards the west/east series? WHY!?! This is stupid, who loves going to the E/W shootout and seeing a shiny #1w and #e, East vs West, the gloves are off! This 1. makes confusion in the crowd for points/coasts/etc and 2. ruins vegas E/W tradition.

Thoughts on this? Who realllly thinks this is a good idea?

Sorry the topic name is inappropiate, i was just like "seriously???" when i made the topic.
My thoughts are you should put the pipe down and check out the other postings about this before starting a thread.
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10/27/2010 8:34am
It's a great Idea. This has been a means nothing race until now.
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10/27/2010 8:34am
I think it is a great idea. Why do they follow everything the 450's do outdoors but indoors they run 5 less laps and Vegas doesnt count for anything. Plus it has more of the upset factor if it is a close championship. I think it will do better for the fans and guys can't say that this race doesnt count if they finish poorly as their excuse.

Maybe I am one of the few but I like it.
Ddavis
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10/27/2010 8:34am
I saw a thread about this yesterday but I thought it was somebody asking if that would be a good idea so I didn't even bother looking.

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10/27/2010 8:36am
Ddavis wrote:
I saw a thread about this yesterday but I thought it was somebody asking if that would be a good idea so I didn't even bother...
I saw a thread about this yesterday but I thought it was somebody asking if that would be a good idea so I didn't even bother looking.
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10/27/2010 8:38am
Ddavis wrote:
I saw a thread about this yesterday but I thought it was somebody asking if that would be a good idea so I didn't even bother...
I saw a thread about this yesterday but I thought it was somebody asking if that would be a good idea so I didn't even bother looking.
link fail.


and i think its a good and bad idea. I guess we will have to see how it goes this year.
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10/27/2010 8:41am
why not make an e\w shootout in the beginning of the year at A1, for points, then do another for bragging rights, as it has been in the past at the end of the series. i mean who wouldnt mind seeing E vs. W more than once? i would.....
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10/27/2010 8:42am
I think it's better for fans, it throws a monkey wrench into what may seem like a "done deal" because after racing all the same racers all series long, now they have to compete against racers they haven't raced at all, leaving a big question mark as to who will be champion.

Hell, if I had my way, make the winner of the LV shootout the SX2 National Champion

One race, winner take all
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10/27/2010 8:42am
It means the both east and west rounds have been extended one more week dude!. That's awesome!. Finally something that helps the sport. instead of hurting it like taking it from 23 races down to 6 for any given Saturday event.
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10/27/2010 8:43am
The east west thing should just go away. When it was started I believe you had to race on the coast you were from. Now you get to pick a coast so the whole concept is a joke.
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10/27/2010 8:45am
flarider wrote:
I think it's better for fans, it throws a monkey wrench into what may seem like a "done deal" because after racing all the same racers...
I think it's better for fans, it throws a monkey wrench into what may seem like a "done deal" because after racing all the same racers all series long, now they have to compete against racers they haven't raced at all, leaving a big question mark as to who will be champion.

Hell, if I had my way, make the winner of the LV shootout the SX2 National Champion

One race, winner take all
That would be better than 2 different people plus a possible race winner all celebrating like they are the Champion.
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10/27/2010 8:57am
It will be weird to see two different class champions crowned on the same night after the same race..
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I blame the AMA for the oil in my neighbor's kiddy pool and for not pulling the

Chilean miners out quicker.

And, they tea-partied my Obamacare package at Lebron's Miami casa last night.

Bastards !
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Dwayne Wade just took his shirt off.
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10/27/2010 9:19am
Cygnus wrote:
The east west thing should just go away. When it was started I believe you had to race on the coast you were from. Now you...
The east west thing should just go away. When it was started I believe you had to race on the coast you were from. Now you get to pick a coast so the whole concept is a joke.
X 2

It was originally in place so the rookies would have less travel/expense and build a larger field for the 450 class. Now we have Californian Factory Pros racing the East Coast series. WTF?

Make it one class. 17 Rounds. 20 Lap mains.
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10/27/2010 9:29am
That's fucking retarded
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10/27/2010 9:31am
Cygnus wrote:
The east west thing should just go away. When it was started I believe you had to race on the coast you were from. Now you...
The east west thing should just go away. When it was started I believe you had to race on the coast you were from. Now you get to pick a coast so the whole concept is a joke.
True . And the teams doing all the winning could run an entire series anyway. It was originally supposed to be a regional stepping stone series for riders on their way up to the big bikes. Its far from that now as you have established pros like Josh Hansen making a living off of it. Make it a full national SX series and be done with it.
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10/27/2010 10:25am
While we're on the subject of changes that should be made, I'm just going to throw out there that 450's should be doing a minimum of 25 laps, and the 250's a minimum of 20, although there's no reason they shouldn't do the same amount. Why really make the race setup such a big difference between the two. Isn't engine size a big enough difference?
As far as making it one full series, I think part of it is also that it leaves the door open for more riders and teams to step up into the pro ranks. SX only has a 20 man gate, if you combine the 2 coasts, then half the gate will be made up of riders from 2 teams and it doesn't leave much chance for some of the privateers to make the main. On the flip side to that, if you're not fast enough to compete, better luck next time. I guess it's one of those debates that could really go either way with good reasoning to back them up.
In regards to Las Vegas counting for points, I think it's a good idea.
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10/27/2010 11:14am
I like it.. I just think that now that they're making the points count they should have 2 or 3 east west events a year like they used to. I think , because they don't give the truck away anymore, they had to do something to make the race more than just a bragging rights race.
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10/27/2010 11:16am
flarider wrote:
I think it's better for fans, it throws a monkey wrench into what may seem like a "done deal" because after racing all the same racers...
I think it's better for fans, it throws a monkey wrench into what may seem like a "done deal" because after racing all the same racers all series long, now they have to compete against racers they haven't raced at all, leaving a big question mark as to who will be champion.

Hell, if I had my way, make the winner of the LV shootout the SX2 National Champion

One race, winner take all
X2
but yes, a lot of privateers that are gunning for a top-10 finish at the last race could be left out in the cold.
Maybe they should have a 'B' main for the remaining top 20 qualifiers just for additional points.
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10/27/2010 11:23am
i kinda dig the way the austalian super x series does the 12 lap ,2 moto deal..it creates more of a traditional moto feel to the event, plus your whole night doesnt come down to one bad start or whatever...As far as the east/west shootout, i think it is a cool tribute to Coombs Sr. and even though it is cool to see those badass 1w & 1e plates, it will be even better seeing 2 championships playout in one race....I'm down with it
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10/27/2010 11:32am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2010 1:31pm
Devin, I think you're a little bit incorrect on how it's going to work there.

From what I understand, the intention is that the points awarded at the final round in Vegas are only going to be awarded in the heat races. East guys will be awarded east points, and West guys will be awarded points based on their heat race finish. The 20-rider heat race for each class is basically a final sprint main for both the East and West.

The East/West shootout main event after that? That's for pride, bucks, etc.

Maybe after crowning champs, they'll allow the 1E and 1W to run that number during the main.
ando
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10/27/2010 11:40am
You could/should still have 1W and 1E plates- they will belong to the current #1 holders from either coast.

Other thoughts:

- interesting possibility that you could have two regional champions and a separate race winner all on the one night.

- might make for some interesting mid-pack racing at the penultimate rounds to make the "cut" to get into Vegas.

Overall I think it's a good idea - it gives the race real meaning.
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10/27/2010 11:43am
Actually, it's more like the possibility of two regional champs, separate race winners in the 250 and 450 class, and the possibility of a 450 champ crowned there.

(Please let it be crowned there, rather than early like last year.)
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GuyB wrote:
Devin, I think you're a little bit incorrect on how it's going to work there.From what I understand, the intention is that the points awarded at...
Devin, I think you're a little bit incorrect on how it's going to work there.

From what I understand, the intention is that the points awarded at the final round in Vegas are only going to be awarded in the heat races. East guys will be awarded east points, and West guys will be awarded points based on their heat race finish. The 20-rider heat race for each class is basically a final sprint main for both the East and West.

The East/West shootout main event after that? That's for pride, bucks, etc.

Maybe after crowning champs, they'll allow the 1E and 1W to run that number during the main.
If that's the way it works that makes it even more interesting - could be some full on racing in the heats.

Although on the down side, six laps is not much of a race to decide the championship - it will all be in the start.
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10/27/2010 11:45am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2010 11:46am
I'm not sure if the heats are more laps than usual there...my view on this one so far is rather limited.

Anyway, it should make for an interesting end to the season...and make the find round more important than ever.
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10/27/2010 12:28pm
1 series = more competition=better racing= more fans = more revenue that can disappear like Natalie Holloway
Ddavis
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10/27/2010 1:34pm
One word: STUPID!

Sorry for the negativity.
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10/27/2010 1:38pm
Ddavis wrote:
One word: STUPID!

Sorry for the negativity.
I'm confused...are you apologizing for the stupidity of your post? Or are you still ranting that you don't like it?
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10/27/2010 1:48pm
I would love to see more East vs West rounds like back in the day. Wink
They always made for good racing and it was interesting how it shook things up a bit .

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