The 2 Stroke Backlash.

Rupert X
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:03pm

The Anstie GYTR YZ-144 thingey.

RV's built KX 250 Smoker

Andy Bowyer mentioning the 2 stroke revolution in full swing at Steel-City this wknd.

Friends asking " Hey, anybody know where a good 250 2 stroke is for sale ?"

My recent top-end rebuild of our KX-144 was around $300.00 - what you pay for a set of

valves for a 250F...

And MORE, much more.... http://twostrokemotocross.com/
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Rupert X
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5/18/2010 10:42am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:53pm


* We haven't yet seen peasants in colorful garb, swinging burning Ratio-Rites

full of flaming Bel-Ray, chanting pleasant two-stroke noises in unison,

marching in formation down the dampened streets of Morgantown,

but hear me now, and listen to me later - the two-stroke revolution has begun.

The expensive valve-springs from these calamity-prone,

modern-day missiles, shall become the unlikely shackles of those who distance and

dismiss the merry mighty myths of the two-stroke's prominent heritage. Hark & Forsooth.
Ing
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5/18/2010 10:45am
I'm all for it. Bring on the 2-smokers.
Matt Wozney
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5/18/2010 10:50am
There were a bunch in the A classes at the Winchester LLQ last weekend.
Rupert X
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5/18/2010 10:55am


Supposedly, there will be a few trying to make a go in the NATIONALS this year, but I'll

see it when I believe it.

Folks say that every year.

Let's hope Broc Hepler or a rider with a serious pedigree comes forth with a smoker.


* And, truth be told, I'm a whole lot better on a four-smoker than a two. I happen to suck

on both machines, but suck less when equipped with the valve-train and awful noises.

The Shop

5/18/2010 11:04am
My last payment on my 450 is this month, I'm redoing the valves, suspension, and new swing arm, then buying a for sale sign possibly.
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You have to get approved to be a member? Is this the new country club? Wink
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"The following is a true story
Only the names have been changed
To protect the guilty -
Well I left my job in my home town
And I headed for the smoke
Got a rock 'n' roll band and a fast right hand
Gonna get to the top
Nothing's gonna stop us, no nothing
So if you've got the money, we've got the sound"

bon scott-ac/dc

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The best bike I ever rode was my CRF 250. With that said it wasn't as much fun as my 2 strokes were.
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There were quite a few at Albany on Saturday. Right when I showed up, me and my dad both noticed. Unfortunately, my best good racing buddy was not one of the pilots aboard a smoker, as he just made the switch from a 125 to a 250F, a move he reminds me that he regrets every single day.
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Well, I just got a shiney new (almost) and new to me CR500AF. One of AJ's works of art.

Here it is as I got it. I'll post a pic of how it will look as mine when I get finished. First owner loaded it up with aftermarket bling, second owner took it a little farther. I'm putting our FaithRacers graphics and black rims on.

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I bought a 01 CR 250 like new for $ 1,000 then entered the FMF 2 stroke challenge at Mammoth June 25th.Smile
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i'm sending my 2000 cr250 clyinder out to power seal this week, 7 day turn around. going to have them replate, hone, and fit me a fresh wiseco in there. going to send the binders out to FC at the same time.

braaaappp..

i'll still keep the crf450 for race day, but i am looking forward to having a good practice spare bike
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Just recently bought an '04 200sx, and an '07 125sx.
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GuyB wrote:
You have to get approved to be a member? Is this the new country club? Wink
You just need to know what a Ratio-Rite is used for....
Rupert X
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GuyB wrote:
You have to get approved to be a member? Is this the new country club? Wink


" Take your shoes off, find a spot on the floor" - I think Mr G sums it up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_qh3urEOK8


While I've often recited that ancient quote " I'd never want to belong to a club that would

accept me - as a member ", the truth is - is that the two-stroke lunch table, is where

most of the cool kids are sitting now.
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5/18/2010 12:48pm
At our riding park last Saturday.

We had 99 riders.


27 of those riders were on 125 smokers of some kind.


I guess when a guy can buy and in-expensive bike and relatively cheap parts they can ride and not work all the time to pay for an 8000.00 bike. that could end up needing a 1500 to 2000 rebuild if not properly maintained.

just wait, today we buy machines from Japan and europe.

that same day there was three
china" bikes................ cost of those little four stroke, electric start, dual purpose machines.........899.00.

now i don't know about you. but what difference does it make where the bike comes from???? china, japan, germany? none are made in the USA...........

Doesn't a bunch of little bikes already made by eaton and sold as yamaha or kaw?

how many bikes can ya destroy at 900.00 bucks before you get the price of a cr 230? or ttr 225?


People want to ride and race. They want to be able to afford it. Time is coming when someone figures out how to bring alot of chinese bikes over here and lets see what happens then.

8000.00 450's are plainly to much for a 17 year old to pay for working at mc donalds part time.
5/18/2010 12:54pm
SheriffJoe wrote:
The best bike I ever rode was my CRF 250. With that said it wasn't as much fun as my 2 strokes were.
im just the opposite, ive gone thru 125's, 250f's, 250's , 450f's, and now the 500AFEvil but of all the bikes i was probably the fastest lap time wise on the 125 ... BUT the biggest grins are from the 5Hunny of course.....Cool
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5/18/2010 1:02pm
I just picked up a sano "new" '05 CR250R a couple of weeks ago SmileSmileSmile

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A buddy of mine has a fairly sweet 2001 RM-125 for sale.

Rebuilt engine, rusty DOMA pipe.

If you enjoy shifting, are handy with a clutch lever and are familiar with

B9EV's, I'll give you his number.

He wants $1300 American for the yellow beast.

Yes, $1300 - the price of graphics for your 450. Zing.
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5/18/2010 1:15pm
Does the $1300 graphics kit come with a seat cover? If yes, that's a deal!!!
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JW381 wrote:
There were quite a few at Albany on Saturday. Right when I showed up, me and my dad both noticed. Unfortunately, my best good racing buddy...
There were quite a few at Albany on Saturday. Right when I showed up, me and my dad both noticed. Unfortunately, my best good racing buddy was not one of the pilots aboard a smoker, as he just made the switch from a 125 to a 250F, a move he reminds me that he regrets every single day.
I was there Saturday too. A few 2 strokes, I was one of them. I usally go to mountainview, there are only a couple 2 strokes most of the time there. ....and never a 4 wheeler!

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JW381 wrote:
There were quite a few at Albany on Saturday. Right when I showed up, me and my dad both noticed. Unfortunately, my best good racing buddy...
There were quite a few at Albany on Saturday. Right when I showed up, me and my dad both noticed. Unfortunately, my best good racing buddy was not one of the pilots aboard a smoker, as he just made the switch from a 125 to a 250F, a move he reminds me that he regrets every single day.
Myke wrote:
I was there Saturday too. A few 2 strokes, I was one of them. I usally go to mountainview, there are only a couple 2 strokes...
I was there Saturday too. A few 2 strokes, I was one of them. I usally go to mountainview, there are only a couple 2 strokes most of the time there. ....and never a 4 wheeler!

i have been running my RM125 all year, and loving it,
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5/18/2010 3:10pm
this thread makes me want to say SUCK IT to the traitors at Honda. They tried their best to kill the 2-stroke, sticking the knife in numerous times, then killing off all CR models in hopes that the other japanese manufacturers would fall in line in one big P.C. kowtow to al gore et al.

Suck it, Honda....and keep your stupid $4500 overweight CRF150R POS
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wardy wrote:
At our riding park last Saturday. We had 99 riders. 27 of those riders were on 125 smokers of some kind. I guess when a guy...
At our riding park last Saturday.

We had 99 riders.


27 of those riders were on 125 smokers of some kind.


I guess when a guy can buy and in-expensive bike and relatively cheap parts they can ride and not work all the time to pay for an 8000.00 bike. that could end up needing a 1500 to 2000 rebuild if not properly maintained.

just wait, today we buy machines from Japan and europe.

that same day there was three
china" bikes................ cost of those little four stroke, electric start, dual purpose machines.........899.00.

now i don't know about you. but what difference does it make where the bike comes from???? china, japan, germany? none are made in the USA...........

Doesn't a bunch of little bikes already made by eaton and sold as yamaha or kaw?

how many bikes can ya destroy at 900.00 bucks before you get the price of a cr 230? or ttr 225?


People want to ride and race. They want to be able to afford it. Time is coming when someone figures out how to bring alot of chinese bikes over here and lets see what happens then.

8000.00 450's are plainly to much for a 17 year old to pay for working at mc donalds part time.
For me it comes down to safety. Am I going to hit any jump that's big enough that I have time to think, "Man, I sure hope the frame holds up when I land, and this isn't made of some substandard material, and that the guy welding it wasn't bitter about his $2 and hour wage when he was putting this one together," while aboard a Chinese-made bike?

I'm thinking no.

Is there room for entry-level racing? Sure.
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5/18/2010 3:26pm
fun times have been had with my old fart self on my 04 yz125. when i picked it up at beginning of 08; i remember the ''what the hell you doing on that old rellic" responce i frequently got. not so much these days. i love pushing it hard and making up time in corners on the other bikes; waaaaay fun! haha!!
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rallendude wrote:
Well, I just got a shiney new (almost) and new to me CR500AF. One of AJ's works of art. Here it is as I got it...
Well, I just got a shiney new (almost) and new to me CR500AF. One of AJ's works of art.

Here it is as I got it. I'll post a pic of how it will look as mine when I get finished. First owner loaded it up with aftermarket bling, second owner took it a little farther. I'm putting our FaithRacers graphics and black rims on.

Congrats
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5/18/2010 3:33pm
Bill163 wrote:
I bought a 01 CR 250 like new for $ 1,000 then entered the FMF 2 stroke challenge at Mammoth June 25th.Smile
God I hated jetting the 2 strokes at Mammoth.

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