Team USA: Where do we go from Here

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10/8/2018 10:46pm
On another note, for ALL ?? to feel a Lil better maybe??,
let’s have some of theirs
stay & Race MEC.
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BikeGuy321
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10/8/2018 11:14pm
Monster Cup last weekend of October instead of a week after MXDN. That would give teams more time to test and make the Monster Cup more competitive too.
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10/8/2018 11:25pm
Bigger break between end of SX and start of MX.
Ama MX series should finish two weeks before mxon race.
Or add two more rounds to the nationals and more breaks between races
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10/9/2018 2:42am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 2:43am
ehr400 wrote:
I honestly fell like the riders lack alot of heart, I know people will say I am a idiot, whatever. I bet Eli, Barcia, and AP...
I honestly fell like the riders lack alot of heart, I know people will say I am a idiot, whatever. I bet Eli, Barcia, and AP have people in their corners all saying, hey MEC is next week, SX starts in a few months. That pays their bills. There was a time in our moto that guys like RJ, Wardy, Bailey, Leichien, 6 time, RC, Fro, Hughes, Henry, Stew, RV, Hannah, O'mara would have died trying instead of letting Euros come to our track and beat us. Euros have nationalistic pride, and thats good, something this country has been lacking for some time, not just in the moto sense.
And Ferrandis don't have the MEC aroud the corner?
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10/9/2018 3:07am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 12:18pm
vetmxr wrote:
I'm proud of our men, I'm convinced they tried as hard as they could considering the shit show the rain made it...( no ones fault)....At a...
I'm proud of our men, I'm convinced they tried as hard as they could considering the shit show the rain made it...( no ones fault)....At a race they can only be admired for racing because there's no money to be made...(and these professionals are all in their prime money making years)..

If they do ANYTHING but dominate, they probably have to endure endless jabs from assholes that couldn't come close to carrying their jockstrap, and have no idea what digging deep and taking chances at that levels even means.

No compensation

chance of life changing injury

Endless rivers of shit from people if you don't do exactly what they think you should.

Only if you win are you granted high fives and handshakes, any less and you get pure hell from idiots.

I really don't know why these men would even entertain doing this race, except for patriotism and a will to beat all comers I guess.

Plessenger could have put an end to his promising career on that rutted uphill triple at a race he wasn't contracted to do.

We got beat......big fucking deal......Our three warriors are still bad MOFO's on dirt bikes. They just need to go home a prepare for the next meeting. That and Herlings is a freak of nature..... Barcia, Tomac, and Plessenger all know how to ride a motorcycle wide fucking open...


And what? All the Euro teams gets the big fat bonus checks after MXDN?? It's all about you country bride, Stop the bullshit
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10/9/2018 3:25am
ehr400 wrote:
I honestly fell like the riders lack alot of heart, I know people will say I am a idiot, whatever. I bet Eli, Barcia, and AP...
I honestly fell like the riders lack alot of heart, I know people will say I am a idiot, whatever. I bet Eli, Barcia, and AP have people in their corners all saying, hey MEC is next week, SX starts in a few months. That pays their bills. There was a time in our moto that guys like RJ, Wardy, Bailey, Leichien, 6 time, RC, Fro, Hughes, Henry, Stew, RV, Hannah, O'mara would have died trying instead of letting Euros come to our track and beat us. Euros have nationalistic pride, and thats good, something this country has been lacking for some time, not just in the moto sense.
keinz wrote:
And Ferrandis don't have the MEC aroud the corner?
I guess you missed the sentance where I wrote nationalistic pride, also if you think he is going to be in the top 5 there get me your drug dealers number please.
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Where do you go from here?. Pretty clear, to Sandbud, sorry. Redbud. And don´t groom it.
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10/9/2018 7:18am
JFerry wrote:
Where do you go from here?. Pretty clear, to Sandbud, sorry. Redbud. And don´t groom it.
... and make it the first National of the year..... at the end of March.
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10/9/2018 9:24am
olds cool wrote:
All I know is today was a MONSTER disappointment.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
Was Monster there? I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/10/07/292937/s1200_Monter_logo.jpg[/img] didn't notice.
Was Monster there? I didn't notice.

olds cool wrote:
Didn't mean the event itself was not a success. By all accounts, it looks like it was. Our riders that they sponsor though, not so much...
Didn't mean the event itself was not a success. By all accounts, it looks like it was. Our riders that they sponsor though, not so much. Pun much? Next time I'll draw a picture.
I was posting the pic to show the stupidly ridiculous number of Monstercross logos there were around the track.
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10/9/2018 10:11am
cool_hand wrote:
These were clearly the best in the AMA, with Barcia as a slight ? mark,...alter the AMA season to finish a week before MXdN?
I believe we just have to accept that there will be faster riders at times and the USA, no matter how hard we train and prepare we will just not be fast enough. Just look at some of the USA riders who can't beat Tomac, they work just as hard and are in great shape but just don't have the talent to be faster.

The tides will turn and another country will have the faster riders and this is just the reality of the sport. There might be some changes the USA can make so we end our Nationals at the same time as the MXGPs but I doubt that is going to make the difference we might be expecting.

Enjoy the racing!!!
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10/9/2018 11:23am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 11:24am
American MXON results will be better when/if there are 3 MXGP guys on the team . Sending SX specialists is clearly not working .
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mxrose3 wrote:
I believe Danny Laporte was the exception - he won the 1982 250 World Championship in his first year trying.
Please don't forget the brilliantly riding Donny Schmit winning the ´92 250cc World Championship aboard the bright white Chesterfield Yamaha. Great style, great determination, great personality. Unfortunately taken away by disease way too young. Never forgotten over here!
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10/9/2018 12:14pm
lestat wrote:
American MXON results will be better when/if there are 3 MXGP guys on the team . Sending SX specialists is clearly not working .
Tomac has 3 outdoor titles and 1 SX title, which was on a 250. Barcia is far from a SX specialist. I think the 6 week layoff and upcoming MEC and SX prep hurt the US. I think Plessinger's problem was he has been testing his 450 and had to jump back on the 250. I think all 3 riders are far from SX specialist.
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10/9/2018 12:16pm
I think having Plessinger in the open since he has been testing the 450 and running Covington in MX2 would have made a difference. I feel like Osbourne would have hauled ass at this event if he was healthy.
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10/9/2018 12:55pm
NorCal 50+ wrote:
Was Monster there? I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/10/07/292937/s1200_Monter_logo.jpg[/img] didn't notice.
Was Monster there? I didn't notice.

olds cool wrote:
Didn't mean the event itself was not a success. By all accounts, it looks like it was. Our riders that they sponsor though, not so much...
Didn't mean the event itself was not a success. By all accounts, it looks like it was. Our riders that they sponsor though, not so much. Pun much? Next time I'll draw a picture.
NorCal 50+ wrote:
I was posting the pic to show the stupidly ridiculous number of Monstercross logos there were around the track.
Fair enough. It was their race, so I can see why they would milk it for all it was worth. ✌️
10/9/2018 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 10/9/2018 12:57pm
How is this SX excuse even a thing?!

The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t claim to hold the rest of the world to a US standard. You’re just one nation, I’m afraid. If you want to come to the world stage, you’ve got to benchmark yourself to the world standard, not your own national standard.

If that is the feeble excuse you want to stick to, then you honestly might as well not send a team. Stick to your own national series and become irrelevant internationally.

All that happened is this: your guys rode badly. That’s it. That is it.
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Our USA Amateur National Series is mostly focused on MX Sports Loretta Lynn Championship (and a few amateur major races throughout the season). That series has tracks that are hand picked and are scheduled locally as qualifiers and regional championships. Regional top finishers advance to the LL Amateur MX championship. To me, LL's format and focus is too limited. Most amateur sponsored riders only race LL's quails and regionals or the 5 or so am nats races the entire season. The remainder of their time is spent doing stop watch races all season at their local training facility. While the Euros have their own country amateur series all season long, including the 125 class at a country/national level series. Their outdoor series gets focus and is their main priority, which sets them up as young guns to prepare them for the MXGP series. USA it's LL's, then if you're lucky to perform and stand out at LL's you get hand picked to race in the Monster Energy Cup all star amateur race. And right there is where our SX focus starts, every kid wants to race SX. I think the USA needs a form a State by State championship outdoor series for amateurs. State Champions race for a National Championship at the end of the season (it's somewhat what LL's is but..) state amateur racing is declining in numbers from what I see and hear, because like I said earlier our top guns just focuses on LL's scheduled races which is only a few a year. They ignore local races most times. Also many states have multiple races on a Sunday, which impacts race turnouts and the track owners suffer financially. We somehow also need to resolve our local tracks competing for business on race weekends. Make one track the race venue for a given weekend and have all race that vs, spread out over 2-3 tracks a weekend. If tracks can't make money racing then they just open for practice days and everyone just spins laps. Kids need to be racing and competing. Some here have said to start up a 125 or 250F series as part of our Nationals. That would be cool also.
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10/9/2018 1:24pm
Do you think it would toughen up American racers if we didn't manicure the outdoor tracks to where they all looked like James Stewarts tracks used to in his videos? Heck, that thing was a smooth as a freeway! The GP tracks, from what I see are generally nothing like that. They don't do much to them from year to year except trim down the grass and weeds, and put up some new corner markers. Those guys learn how to race "real" natural tracks balls out, and that't what makes them faster than our fastest guys who bitch and moan if there's too many rocks or braking bumps on a track.

I'd love to see the US team even have an outside shot at winning again...but at this point, I don't see it happening.
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10/9/2018 1:29pm
lestat wrote:
American MXON results will be better when/if there are 3 MXGP guys on the team . Sending SX specialists is clearly not working .
SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Tomac has 3 outdoor titles and 1 SX title, which was on a 250. Barcia is far from a SX specialist. I think the 6 week...
Tomac has 3 outdoor titles and 1 SX title, which was on a 250. Barcia is far from a SX specialist. I think the 6 week layoff and upcoming MEC and SX prep hurt the US. I think Plessinger's problem was he has been testing his 450 and had to jump back on the 250. I think all 3 riders are far from SX specialist.
Whoa that was a lot of SX related excuses in such a short post . All the AMA guys are becoming SX specs . America’s best riders only face the best riders in the world once maybe twice a year in MX . It’s goung to be tough to catch the competition when you only face them once . A guy who has focused on mx only and races the best in the world all season , will stand a much better chance .
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How is this SX excuse even a thing?! The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t...
How is this SX excuse even a thing?!

The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t claim to hold the rest of the world to a US standard. You’re just one nation, I’m afraid. If you want to come to the world stage, you’ve got to benchmark yourself to the world standard, not your own national standard.

If that is the feeble excuse you want to stick to, then you honestly might as well not send a team. Stick to your own national series and become irrelevant internationally.

All that happened is this: your guys rode badly. That’s it. That is it.
Thank you for saying this.

I'm an American - our boys rode bad, no doubt about that, but it happens. But the insane amount of excuses in this thread as to the why's and the crying and threats of "come race sx and see how you do!" are childish, stupid and irrelevant as you said.

It makes Americans look far worse than the results of the riders...

This thread is a trainwreck of awful excuses and whining from sore losers.



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10/10/2018 5:27am
Ozzy wrote:
On another note, for ALL ?? to feel a Lil better maybe??,
let’s have some of theirs
stay & Race MEC.
Didn't a French guy win a million last year?
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10/10/2018 6:26am
How is this SX excuse even a thing?! The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t...
How is this SX excuse even a thing?!

The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t claim to hold the rest of the world to a US standard. You’re just one nation, I’m afraid. If you want to come to the world stage, you’ve got to benchmark yourself to the world standard, not your own national standard.

If that is the feeble excuse you want to stick to, then you honestly might as well not send a team. Stick to your own national series and become irrelevant internationally.

All that happened is this: your guys rode badly. That’s it. That is it.
Thank you for saying this. I'm an American - our boys rode bad, no doubt about that, but it happens. But the insane amount of excuses...
Thank you for saying this.

I'm an American - our boys rode bad, no doubt about that, but it happens. But the insane amount of excuses in this thread as to the why's and the crying and threats of "come race sx and see how you do!" are childish, stupid and irrelevant as you said.

It makes Americans look far worse than the results of the riders...

This thread is a trainwreck of awful excuses and whining from sore losers.



How can you call Supercross a side show? It 100% trumps our nationals in every single area from tv ratings to attendance to merch sales to media coverage/exposure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattrybaltowski/2018/05/13/supercross-caps…

Motocross, in America, is the side show now. Like it or not, the numbers don't lie. We're seeing more and more supercross influenced outdoor tracks with huge jumps in an attempt to attract more fans and to keep the coveted 18-34 male demographic interested.

How big is the FIM World Motocross Championship in Europe? I can't find much info regarding media coverage/ratings, attendance, etc. I'd be curious to see how close the numbers are of people around the world that tune in to the GP's vs. Supercross.

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10/10/2018 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2018 12:33pm
How is this SX excuse even a thing?! The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t...
How is this SX excuse even a thing?!

The rest of the world doesn’t race SX, so it’s irrelevant. It’s a US-only side show. You can’t claim to hold the rest of the world to a US standard. You’re just one nation, I’m afraid. If you want to come to the world stage, you’ve got to benchmark yourself to the world standard, not your own national standard.

If that is the feeble excuse you want to stick to, then you honestly might as well not send a team. Stick to your own national series and become irrelevant internationally.

All that happened is this: your guys rode badly. That’s it. That is it.
Thank you for saying this. I'm an American - our boys rode bad, no doubt about that, but it happens. But the insane amount of excuses...
Thank you for saying this.

I'm an American - our boys rode bad, no doubt about that, but it happens. But the insane amount of excuses in this thread as to the why's and the crying and threats of "come race sx and see how you do!" are childish, stupid and irrelevant as you said.

It makes Americans look far worse than the results of the riders...

This thread is a trainwreck of awful excuses and whining from sore losers.



How can you call Supercross a side show? It 100% trumps our nationals in every single area from tv ratings to attendance to merch sales to...
How can you call Supercross a side show? It 100% trumps our nationals in every single area from tv ratings to attendance to merch sales to media coverage/exposure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattrybaltowski/2018/05/13/supercross-caps…

Motocross, in America, is the side show now. Like it or not, the numbers don't lie. We're seeing more and more supercross influenced outdoor tracks with huge jumps in an attempt to attract more fans and to keep the coveted 18-34 male demographic interested.

How big is the FIM World Motocross Championship in Europe? I can't find much info regarding media coverage/ratings, attendance, etc. I'd be curious to see how close the numbers are of people around the world that tune in to the GP's vs. Supercross.

It's irrelevant.

This is an MX race, we got our asses kicked. I don't care about the popularity of SX or who would win in SX.

This isn't SX, this is MX and we're discussing MXoN - this past race specifically.

If you want to hang on the semantics of someone calling SX a side-show (which I agree with you that it is not) go ahead. But don't sit there and think that's a legit excuse for the US getting beat or that it some how makes it less meaningful. Don't be that guy. If it makes you feel better about it, in your head pretend he said "it's a US only show"; his statement isn't any less correct.

We got beat racing outdoor MX by riders who were simply better than we were. It has happened in the past, it will happen in the future.

Take SX out of the equation - because it isn't relevant in this conversation at all.
10/10/2018 2:00pm
It's irrelevant. This is an MX race, we got our asses kicked. I don't care about the popularity of SX or who would win in SX...
It's irrelevant.

This is an MX race, we got our asses kicked. I don't care about the popularity of SX or who would win in SX.

This isn't SX, this is MX and we're discussing MXoN - this past race specifically.

If you want to hang on the semantics of someone calling SX a side-show (which I agree with you that it is not) go ahead. But don't sit there and think that's a legit excuse for the US getting beat or that it some how makes it less meaningful. Don't be that guy. If it makes you feel better about it, in your head pretend he said "it's a US only show"; his statement isn't any less correct.

We got beat racing outdoor MX by riders who were simply better than we were. It has happened in the past, it will happen in the future.

Take SX out of the equation - because it isn't relevant in this conversation at all.
I suppose I should clarify that I realise it’s not a ‘side-show’ as such; I realise it’s a legit series, which is probably bigger than MX in the US. I mean, I watch both AMA SX and MX, along with the MXGP series. But outside the US, SX is simply not relevant as a benchmark for a race like this, nor any outdoor race for that matter.

Your team could have won last weekend had they ridden well. That’s all it comes down to. I don’t think any of them had the legs to win any of the races, but as a team they definitely could have won. They just rode badly. That’s it. There doesn’t need to be any more excuse making.

The US will win again, and will very likely go on a streak again at some point.
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10/10/2018 2:50pm
The US team all complained that this wasn't the same old Red Bud track they've ridden for years. That's true. None of the riders on this years team have ever ridden a mudder at Red Bud. It's been years since Red Bud had a mudder over their 4th of July National. If Tim had ripped the track 2' deep like he normally does for races on sunny weekends, they'd still be trying to pull bikes from the bottomless mud. Realizing that rain was eminent Tim wisely chose not to chisel plow the track deep so it would have a base and not become bottomless. Sealing it with a roller salvaged the track and made for an amazingly good track surface considering all of the rain we received over the weekend. Everyone rode the same track and used their experience to set up their bike for the race. If the US team didn't take the initiative to do that and instead used settings from previous dry sunny race days, bad on them...
10/10/2018 3:26pm
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Start with replacing Roger. Clearly we need a big change. We mine as well take next year off. That will be an even worse ass kicking
Roger doesn't ride the bikes, he picked the best, what else could he do?

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