Team USA: Where do we go from Here

FillmoreSouth 10/8/2018 10:01am
10/8/2018 10:01am
Where does the US go? Next year, include Covington and Osborne -- guys who know how to mix it up with the GP riders. Still won't win, but those guys will fight.
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ehr400 10/8/2018 10:06am
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I honestly fell like the riders lack alot of heart, I know people will say I am a idiot, whatever. I bet Eli, Barcia, and AP have people in their corners all saying, hey MEC is next week, SX starts in a few months. That pays their bills. There was a time in our moto that guys like RJ, Wardy, Bailey, Leichien, 6 time, RC, Fro, Hughes, Henry, Stew, RV, Hannah, O'mara would have died trying instead of letting Euros come to our track and beat us. Euros have nationalistic pride, and thats good, something this country has been lacking for some time, not just in the moto sense.
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twizzler 10/8/2018 10:24am
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It will be very unlikely for Team USA to ever win the MX of Nations again. Our time has passed and our sport has changed as has the riders focus on outdoors. It's over, that's all folks! We may get lucky at some point but to expect the US to win is nonsense.
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scooterwhipmoore 10/8/2018 10:42am
10/8/2018 10:42am
Put your best foot forward! No matter who the riders are they need to commit to racing and training all the way to the MXDN, Taking several weeks off then testing new bikes and never racing for 6 weeks clearly didn't work for starts, bikes, and riders. (Roczen looked terrible too) I can see taking a week off but then train, maybe go race a couple GP's and be fresh for the MXDN.
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kaptkaos 10/8/2018 10:48am
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Funny how the mx2 guys got starts...

I think our guys put so much onus on getting a good start but then they just arent very good starters. Its weird, no explanation. At the end of the day, Herlings got crappy starts and his speed got him to the front. Our guys have no excuse, they just were not fast enough this week or the last few years at MXDN.
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montesagold 10/8/2018 10:51am
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VRR7 wrote:
Remember when Chad Watt's came to the GNCC series from the WEC and won a lot. When he went back to the WEC he was way...
Remember when Chad Watt's came to the GNCC series from the WEC and won a lot. When he went back to the WEC he was way off pace . Format - WEC has timed specials where speed is NB ! Less so in GNCC is less so - It is hare scramble v enduro format. USA ISDE results ?

As stated SX is a "show" like a circus - MX is more of a race.

When the FIM latched on to the success of the AMA series and took over or at least made effort to bring the MXGP to be better than AMA series is when it all changed -

So MXGP does 2 day race weekend of 20 rounds

AMA MX does 1 day race weekend of 12 rounds

Guess who is working harder towards being better ?

Giuseppe Luongo was tasked with resolving the pull and attraction of AMA v MXGP as the AMA was dominant and the MXGP was second rate a few years back - All his political moves has brought basic success to his task !
Chad Watts? I hope that was a typo, do you realize that since Shane watts, Juha and David Knight days, many other World Enduro riders have came over with no success, lame reasoning bud.
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It will be very unlikely for Team USA to ever win the MX of Nations again. Our time has passed and our sport has changed as...
It will be very unlikely for Team USA to ever win the MX of Nations again. Our time has passed and our sport has changed as has the riders focus on outdoors. It's over, that's all folks! We may get lucky at some point but to expect the US to win is nonsense.
We have turned our country into "Supercross Only".
The only way I can think to ever be competitive again would to have top American riders competing in the entire MXGP series. And even at that it would probably take a few years at best.
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You need to find two new Ryans
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It feels like you guys and to some point the american riders have given up. Every other riders steps it up at mxon, the US rider...
It feels like you guys and to some point the american riders have given up. Every other riders steps it up at mxon, the US rider almost takes a step down. The US guys have always been in fight for the win! They didnt feel it this year and had bad starts etc but as dungey said "keep plugging away" and the trophy will get back to the U.S soon!

I actually fear that america will stop showing up. And that would be extremely sad.
It would be sad . If they don't send a team next year I'd be more disappointed than I was in yesterday's result. I'd rather they send any team they can no matter where they finish.
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olds cool 10/8/2018 11:29am
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All I know is today was a MONSTER disappointment.
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Was Monster there? I [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/10/07/292937/s1200_Monter_logo.jpg[/img] didn't notice.
Was Monster there? I didn't notice.

Didn't mean the event itself was not a success. By all accounts, it looks like it was. Our riders that they sponsor though, not so much. Pun much? Next time I'll draw a picture.
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Happy I got to witness the #MXON with my own eyes. This is my conclusion. The Euros have major grit. They train in tough conditions and race many different tough tracks not all prepped the same and multi terrains that they leave extremely beat up. Grit example! when @dylanferrandis threw his goggles he didn’t slow down or take a pit stop he went faster and won the race. Same as @antoniocairoli . (I get the Danger but these guys seem to laugh at danger)They live moto-x. Since the focus in the USA has gone to sx I don’t see a good chance of winning the MXON unless it becomes the SXofNtaions. Trust me I would love to see it and a ALL the American fans that bleed red white and blue. I feel if we really want to win team USA has to work together , train together and strategize together many months in advance ! The euros are extremely calculated at this race from tires covers to keep mud off the tires for the metal start (USA didn’t do) to taking extreme pride in winning and working together as a team. There may not be big money on the line but the pride of every American fan that has ever cracked a throttle absolutely believing and supporting the team to win is hands down priceless. ? Suggestions ??

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WhipMeister 10/8/2018 11:44am
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I just wonder what impact risk-reward calculus has on performance. I don't know what the bonus structure is for AMA pros riding this race is compared to the FIM guys. I'd guess it's not as much. Maybe by a lot. If so, couple that with scheduling just ahead of a big money MEC, and you have to wonder how willing our guys are to hang everything out on the edge and possibly take themselves off of the MEC gate. Just a thought.
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Prejump 10/8/2018 12:16pm
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JWACK wrote:
I would love to see a USA based MXGP team.
This is what it's going to take.

The world has moved on, the standard is getting stronger & if your team is not on the international circuit your always going to be at a massive disadvantage.
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burn1986 10/8/2018 2:09pm
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Yeah, the mxon is important but it doesn’t really matter.
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Rs444 10/8/2018 3:09pm
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twizzler wrote:
It will be very unlikely for Team USA to ever win the MX of Nations again. Our time has passed and our sport has changed as...
It will be very unlikely for Team USA to ever win the MX of Nations again. Our time has passed and our sport has changed as has the riders focus on outdoors. It's over, that's all folks! We may get lucky at some point but to expect the US to win is nonsense.
Your time will come again just like it once again did for europe but not before shit have changed in AMA and they need to get their fucking priorities straight and realize that its completly retarded that sx is bigger than mx wich also is a bit disrespectful to all of our roots. Even tho it sounds bad in some ppls ears they need to make the sx season shorter and make the nats longer with more different types of tracks included like deep sand tracks, narrow and tech tracks etc to get better at it and try to find the drive to be the best MXer out there.

I know this will probably never happen because not even the the ama riders would put a national motocross title before a world championship supercross title. I mean it is as clear as the day that most american fans believes that mx and sx is the same thing more or less but it isnt and so on but there are reasons to why AMA supercross have been a F.I.M world championship for a long time and that is because being a world champion regardless of what sport u practice in is a way higher honour than being a national champion and with sx being a combined F.i.m and AMA championship they should really consider trying to get mxgp and sx to not overlap and maybe shorten down both so american riders could compete in both IF they want to take the risk and rewards of racing sx. This Will probably not happen in a long time if ever, but i wouldnt be surprised to see american future stars choosing mxgp before the AMA after seeing the level in europe and with them knowing how some no name american riders have gone over to mxgp and gone back to end up at the top in america like zacho etc. Wouldnt be to surprised to see an american team in the gp's in the future either even tho i doubt they would be based out of usa.
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NV825 10/8/2018 3:20pm
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It will be interesting to see how Covington does next year. We've seen in the past from Brown and Osborne that they can head over to race with the best in the GPs and then come back and being immediate threats for championships. I remember watching Brown's first supercross back at Indy against Pastrana and he was on rails around the corners and carrying so much speed.

I do think track prep and training on really rough tracks help out tremendously with being able to stay floating in the corners rather than digging into them. They have it down over there and we see glimpses of it from Eli when he's firing on all cylinders.
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clem 10/8/2018 4:18pm
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Have we won a des nation since monster cup started? It might just be coincidence.
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vetmxr 10/8/2018 5:34pm
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I'm proud of our men, I'm convinced they tried as hard as they could considering the shit show the rain made it...( no ones fault)....At a race they can only be admired for racing because there's no money to be made...(and these professionals are all in their prime money making years)..

If they do ANYTHING but dominate, they probably have to endure endless jabs from assholes that couldn't come close to carrying their jockstrap, and have no idea what digging deep and taking chances at that levels even means.

No compensation

chance of life changing injury

Endless rivers of shit from people if you don't do exactly what they think you should.

Only if you win are you granted high fives and handshakes, any less and you get pure hell from idiots.

I really don't know why these men would even entertain doing this race, except for patriotism and a will to beat all comers I guess.

Plessenger could have put an end to his promising career on that rutted uphill triple at a race he wasn't contracted to do.

We got beat......big fucking deal......Our three warriors are still bad MOFO's on dirt bikes. They just need to go home a prepare for the next meeting. That and Herlings is a freak of nature..... Barcia, Tomac, and Plessenger all know how to ride a motorcycle wide fucking open...


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Spudnut 10/8/2018 5:42pm
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All this talk about herlings and I’m just over here like did that Prado kid really just lead half of that moto on a 250f and finish second?? In ThE mUd!!?

The Americans have been in trouble for a few years now But after this showing there is definetly a lot of work to do between now and next year or else we will dwindle away as the country that was once dominant and now mediocre
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ATKpilot99 10/8/2018 5:45pm
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We're probably lucky Gajser and TKO weren't there. It may have looked worse.
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RandyS 10/8/2018 6:54pm
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I've been watching MXGP religiously since the year before RV went over there. It was the AC show and everyone was racing for 2nd, from watching them on the broadcast it was night and day between years. True I wasn't there but you can tell the difference from watching video. The year before RV they were all racing for second the way the riders here were racing for second during the MC and RC eras. Even on days they weren't the best they still won many times. It's like the threat of RV wiping the floor with them pushed them that last little bit. When RV showed up not the full win at all costs RV of previous years I think everyone got the boost of confidence that pushed them to not let AC run away with it. It's possible they were already better than our guys but just didn't know it. The USA has the handful of riders near the top level outdoors but honestly below the top 5 or so the rest of the GP field would lap the rest of our field. USA is a SX country and I don't see it changing. Bottom line RVs fault.
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ratonmacias 10/8/2018 8:13pm
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just let your guys race real mx tracks during summer. i have watched the nationals on tv since 93 or 94 until now. just watch how hangtown or unadilla evolved from then. guess that should explain it.
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Phildo 10/8/2018 8:47pm
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From the recycling bin:

The US Motocross of Nations team has just returned from a trip to an orphanage in Zimbabwe.
"It was a great chance to meet such underprivileged people with very little hope in life" said Alfred Mgongo, aged 6.
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mxrose3 10/8/2018 9:01pm
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PVB wrote:
I believe Danny Laporte was the exception - he won the 1982 250 World Championship in his first year trying.
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mattyhamz2 10/8/2018 9:08pm
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lumpy790 wrote:
Pitting the riders as a team and NOT spreading them all around the pits in different rigs might help riders focus and team approach by sharing...
Pitting the riders as a team and NOT spreading them all around the pits in different rigs might help riders focus and team approach by sharing riding line tips to each other
Still don’t get why our guys can’t freakin put under one tent... doesn’t every other team pit under one tent?
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bents 10/8/2018 9:40pm
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Racing only 12 outdoor races per year as opposed to 18-20 in Europe, not including their own country national
championships, is a difficult hurdle to overcome at this point. Team USA can't sit around for 6 weeks without a gate drop and expect to win. If they really wan to win there is going to have to be a hard look in the mirror followed by substantial change.
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Racer331 10/8/2018 10:21pm
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I don’t get it, it was a friggon mud race and we got bad starts and everyone cries? Have the mxon come to HANGTOWN and let’s see these Euros touch Tomac
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Frank 10/8/2018 10:32pm
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You can't have your cake and eat it too. If the usa wants to focus more on sx than mx just get rid of the outdoor nationals since the top riders can't win against the top MXGP World Championship riders. Stop going to the MXdN. Nothing wrong with that. Nobody will notice.
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Sideways 10/8/2018 10:45pm
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I don’t get it, it was a friggon mud race and we got bad starts and everyone cries? Have the mxon come to HANGTOWN and let’s...
I don’t get it, it was a friggon mud race and we got bad starts and everyone cries? Have the mxon come to HANGTOWN and let’s see these Euros touch Tomac
Im not sure you should talk..You are the biggest crybaby in here.
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