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10/21/2019 7:19 AM

keinz wrote:

Looking at the MEC results, Tiga is better at SX too
My point was, that some people was considering Tiga as a 10-15 place guy at SX. But he beat Barcia. With that logic Barcia is the 15-20 place guy

mxb2 wrote:

And glenn is better than tim. I guess we both are wrong.

crusty_xx wrote:

Except for the fact that he was 250 points behind Tim at the end of the season

Mxon

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10/21/2019 7:27 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2019 7:40 AM

mxb2 wrote:

Yep,. Barcia is better at sx, tim is better at outdoors.

keinz wrote:

Looking at the MEC results, Tiga is better at SX too
My point was, that some people was considering Tiga as a 10-15 place guy at SX. But he beat Barcia. With that logic Barcia is the 15-20 place guy

mxb2 wrote:

By your logic friese is better than tim. Lol.

At the moment? No doubt. Friese was 4th, Tim was 5th

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10/21/2019 7:36 AM

keinz wrote:

Looking at the MEC results, Tiga is better at SX too
My point was, that some people was considering Tiga as a 10-15 place guy at SX. But he beat Barcia. With that logic Barcia is the 15-20 place guy

mxb2 wrote:

By your logic friese is better than tim. Lol.

keinz wrote:

At the moment? No doubt. Friese was 4th, Tim was 5th

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10/21/2019 7:48 AM

mxb2 wrote:

And glenn is better than tim. I guess we both are wrong.

crusty_xx wrote:

Except for the fact that he was 250 points behind Tim at the end of the season

mxb2 wrote:

Mxon

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

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10/21/2019 7:50 AM

crusty_xx wrote:

Except for the fact that he was 250 points behind Tim at the end of the season

mxb2 wrote:

Mxon

crusty_xx wrote:

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

Yep, one off events dont tell.a whole. Lot.

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10/21/2019 8:17 AM

mxb2 wrote:

Mxon

crusty_xx wrote:

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

mxb2 wrote:

Yep, one off events dont tell.a whole. Lot.

I hope so for Plessinger. He looked awful

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10/21/2019 8:24 AM

crusty_xx wrote:

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

mxb2 wrote:

Yep, one off events dont tell.a whole. Lot.

crusty_xx wrote:

I hope so for Plessinger. He looked awful

Sadly, I agree with this... Barcia wasn't all that "hot" either. If the other 12 regulars were there, not sure either of those 2 would have made the show...

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10/21/2019 8:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2019 8:26 AM

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

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10/21/2019 8:28 AM

mxb2 wrote:

And kawy got what.they wanted a 1 @ 2 in their mec event. Thats what were prepping for. So mxon.has nothing to do with this event. And like i said its a hybrid track. Not a real sx track. Shorter main events, lap times., Tamer.

PastranaWho wrote:

Herlings would win on this hybrid sx track.He won a moto i believe at the manufactorers cup a few years back.

Chris_Buehler wrote:

Herlings would have got bitch slapped on that track last night. And his SMX Cup win? You actually watch that race? The only thing that track.had in common with a sx track was it was indoors and dirt bikes got raced on it. It was a joke

Yer mama

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10/21/2019 8:48 AM

Tim seems like a genuinely nice/humble guy, easy to root for him. He did really well considering how little he prepared for this. He played it conservatively at first, but did seem to open it up a bit in the 2nd and 3rd races. Friese was ticked that Gasjer got around him and almost knocked him down going into the over/under by running into his back wheel a couple of turns later (not sure if that was caught on camera). Could have been an accident??

I thought that in person the track was a little more tricky than some on here on suggesting, that dragons back being run both ways had the potential for disaster (and it did knock out some of the super minis and 250 guys). There were some hard get offs during practice and qualifying all around the track.

There were a bunch of Europeans in attendance at the race, especially 243 fans. Talked to quite a few of them, they were having a blast, a few of them were part of the group that travels to the European GP rounds, wave the 243 flags and are doing the paint bombs.

It was a really fun event to attend in person, but the crowd size was disappointing, I would say only 60 to 70% full overall. Hopefully they continue to hold the event in the future.

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10/21/2019 10:22 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2019 10:22 AM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

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10/21/2019 10:26 AM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

He's always hated RV due to his domination of his boy Alessi when they got to the pro ranks.

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10/21/2019 11:13 AM

I still think Barcia has it
Didn’t he out perform Webb mostly when they where teammates
Webb goes to KTM and South Africa trainer and off he goes
The Yamaha seems a bit of a dog in the AMA rules

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10/21/2019 11:19 AM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

ATKpilot99 wrote:

He's always hated RV due to his domination of his boy Alessi when they got to the pro ranks.

Yep. , Rv probably top 3 of all time. But he talks shit. Comical.

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10/21/2019 11:29 AM

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

ATKpilot99 wrote:

He's always hated RV due to his domination of his boy Alessi when they got to the pro ranks.

mxb2 wrote:

Yep. , Rv probably top 3 of all time. But he talks shit. Comical.

I don’t want to jump this thread as I was happy to see the World Champion come over and represent but....

Arvee should have stuck it out. He had a good opportunity to expand the US thinking about MXGP and a better than not chance to win it.

I hear he wasn’t in a good place and what not and was through with racing in his mind but if you’re going over there then finish it. By quitting it makes it ok to quit.

Not bagging on Arvee, one of the greats in any discussion about all time greats just not the exit I had hoped for when he signed up for MXGP. I expected more.

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10/21/2019 11:33 AM

dudes Tiga was great at the MEC

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10/21/2019 11:35 AM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

He's always hated RV due to his domination of his boy Alessi when they got to the pro ranks.

mxb2 wrote:

Yep. , Rv probably top 3 of all time. But he talks shit. Comical.

Forty wrote:

I don’t want to jump this thread as I was happy to see the World Champion come over and represent but....

Arvee should have stuck it out. He had a good opportunity to expand the US thinking about MXGP and a better than not chance to win it.

I hear he wasn’t in a good place and what not and was through with racing in his mind but if you’re going over there then finish it. By quitting it makes it ok to quit.

Not bagging on Arvee, one of the greats in any discussion about all time greats just not the exit I had hoped for when he signed up for MXGP. I expected more.

Last year of his contract, got hurt. Probably over it. I def love when riders ride other series races. Easy for us to say, its not our job.

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10/21/2019 11:40 AM

crusty_xx wrote:

Except for the fact that he was 250 points behind Tim at the end of the season

mxb2 wrote:

Mxon

crusty_xx wrote:

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

Judging by the last two MXdN I don't think the wet sands country of origin has anything to do with it.

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10/21/2019 11:56 AM

mxb2 wrote:

Mxon

crusty_xx wrote:

Yeah maybe Glenn is better in dutch wet sand

aFACEdismembered wrote:

Judging by the last two MXdN I don't think the wet sands country of origin has anything to do with it.

I don't know. Haven't seen Tim ride at Red Bud

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10/21/2019 1:08 PM

I thought he did very well. I could see him winning an SX championship if he did it full time. It takes steely nerves to come over and race MEC. Those guys were flying. Almost 70 MPH! Much respect.

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10/21/2019 6:44 PM

Tim is world class. You give that guy some time or a full season here in the states , he would be a front runner indoors and out. He has a lot of skill on an indoor track for as much time he's spent doing it. And if he actually trained for it?......hell yes he would be fast!

A maybe 10th - 15th guy? Really?

What's your opinion if he ran outdoors here? Can't wait to hear this one.

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10/21/2019 6:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2019 6:50 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Tim is world class. You give that guy some time or a full season here in the states , he would be a front runner indoors and out. He has a lot of skill on an indoor track for as much time he's spent doing it. And if he actually trained for it?......hell yes he would be fast!

A maybe 10th - 15th guy? Really?

What's your opinion if he ran outdoors here? Can't wait to hear this one.

100% agree with you

Outdoors wise, definitely top 3 (in first year even). People forget how fast he was this year when he started beating Caroli (before he got hurt) before taming it down a bit once he had the title sewn up

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10/21/2019 7:05 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Tim is world class. You give that guy some time or a full season here in the states , he would be a front runner indoors and out. He has a lot of skill on an indoor track for as much time he's spent doing it. And if he actually trained for it?......hell yes he would be fast!

A maybe 10th - 15th guy? Really?

What's your opinion if he ran outdoors here? Can't wait to hear this one.

Dude was impressive in practice and qualifying. For being a MXGP guy (i.e. outdoor specialist that typically suck at SX or supposedly according to most) he came out and did the quad combos and hot line over the dragons back before many of the top US guys (you know, the SX specialists that are fading away from outdoors). The line in the sand has been crossed and the MXGP guys are just as badass on a dirt bike on any course now as the US. Get used to it, the best rider of the day will win no matter what the course. Too damn hard to call a “winner”

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10/21/2019 10:28 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Tim is world class. You give that guy some time or a full season here in the states , he would be a front runner indoors and out. He has a lot of skill on an indoor track for as much time he's spent doing it. And if he actually trained for it?......hell yes he would be fast!

A maybe 10th - 15th guy? Really?

What's your opinion if he ran outdoors here? Can't wait to hear this one.

I agree with you Jeffro, Tim seems to be such a likeable guy almost a stewart-esk mentality when he puts on that helmet "no visor gajser" he goes til he crashes or win.

I think if the mec track had seattle sx (2019) whoops he'd loose a little (more) time on the top guys but he stayed up on 2 wheels and did better than most thought i beleve! Respectable ride for sure!

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10/21/2019 10:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2019 10:45 PM

I love a good Europe vs USA fight as a Canadian.

I think Tim had a great night in Vegas. He was better than I expected. Having said that, this was a weak field, and the track was relatively tame compared to a full on SX track. No whoops, no crazy rhythms down the 3rd baseline like we get at A2, etc, etc. So we have to put his performance in context. Sure he beat Barcia, but from what I've seen on IG neither Barcia or Plessinger have been motoing down on the SX track. Is that an excuse? Sure, but also a fact. Neither guy was race sharp at all.

Having said that, I do believe if Tim did a full season in the US riding 450 SX, he would improve to a very good level as long as he could stay healthy. I would say early in the series when everyone is healthy he's around 12th place, but certainly by the last few rounds I would see him racing for top-5s and possibly a podium. If you think 12th is an insulting number here are the guys I put ahead of him: Webb, Tomac, Musquin, Roczen, Anderson, Osborne, Baggett, Brayton, Barcia, Savatgy, Cianciarulo, Wilson, Mookie. Note that is actually 13 guys but on any given night shit happens to at least a couple of guys. Still, I think in the early part of the season when it's pretty healthy he's going to be right around Friese level which is really 10-15. I don't think this is an insult to him. Look at the guys I just listed. 8 of those 13 have won 450 SX races. All but JB10 have won 250 SX races and 8 of 13 have a 250 SX title. That is a very elite group.

Since people like to compare Tim to Barcia after Saturday, if Bam Bam went to MXGP for a full season he'd be 8-12 most motos. He'd struggle with the track variety and how fast the MXGP guys can ride through a turn. In fact he might have a harder time becoming a top-5 guy in MXGP than Gajser a top-5 guy in SX.

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10/21/2019 11:29 PM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

ATKpilot99 wrote:

He's always hated RV due to his domination of his boy Alessi when they got to the pro ranks.

Wrong.. I love RV too. Glad you noticed.

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10/21/2019 11:30 PM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

Gasser didn't loop out in his 3rd race either.

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10/22/2019 3:39 AM

BobbyM wrote:

Yer a real dick if you bag on Gasser for racing this race and his results. He did much better than the loop out American rider that attempted to race the MXGP's a few years back.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

BobbyM wrote:

Gasser didn't loop out in his 3rd race either.

You’re right. He’s only raced MEC twice, and crashed out his first try.

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10/22/2019 4:30 AM

mxbrian15 wrote:

You mean RV, who actually won a MXGP race? I didn't see Tiga win on Saturday. I guess 5th overall is better than a win?

BobbyM wrote:

Gasser didn't loop out in his 3rd race either.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You’re right. He’s only raced MEC twice, and crashed out his first try.

He didn't have 5 months to prepare for it. Tiny difference

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10/22/2019 4:37 AM

BobbyM wrote:

Gasser didn't loop out in his 3rd race either.

mxbrian15 wrote:

You’re right. He’s only raced MEC twice, and crashed out his first try.

crusty_xx wrote:

He didn't have 5 months to prepare for it. Tiny difference

I’m not trying to disrespect Tim at all. He’s a great rider and I’m glad he raced MEC. Just having fun with BobbyM’s hatred for RV.

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