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And as far as good riders getting taken out in the first turn being rare? It happened to Tomac just last week.
Plus, I'm not saying give one rider an advantage. Just do something to get the fastest out together and let them battle it out.
Again, I think SX is too start dependent.
Comparing MX GP to SX is apples and oranges. Not many places to pass and much shorter.
A good holeshot is 80% of SX.
The answer is equally simple: because those be the rules. And IMO, the only change I'd like to see is to ditch the grates and go back to dirt. Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
"What's the point of qualifying?"
To have the opportunity to line up on the gate for the main and earn points for the championship (and enough purse money to buy cheap pizza for the whole crew.)
The start format for SX makes things incredibly exciting from the second the gate drops. Sometimes that results in the top guy getting the holeshot and checking out (like Tomac this past weekend - and how in the hell does THAT make for "better racing"?) and/or absolute carnage (Davalos this past weekend). It can and does go both ways - chanceability at its finest. If the goal is to get the top qualifiers out front as you and YZ133rider prefer, forget about holeshot devices, grates, grids, and all that mess and just put damn pace bike out there to lead the pack around single file for a lap before pulling off and letting them race.
And tomac getting taken out last week at the first turn destroying any title race makes it fun?
Tomac followed by Anderson, Baggett, Musquin, Seely, Webb, Pieck and Wilson. That's the top 8 basically in order. The only change to the final results was because Anderson tipped over. Dallas was basically a grid start formation coming out of turn 2 and it was a boring 450 main.
The current system isnt perfect, but when the fastest guy gets the holeshot in any type of racing it makes for a boring race. People want passing and uncertainty, that fills the seats and keeps people glued to the TV.
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New rule: any thread that starts with "SX needs..." should go straight to the dumbgeon.
1st point jason thomas says longer straught help givr them time to seperate so the jury is out on that one i guess.
2. Agreed. Thought needs to be put into the first couple sections give them time to seperate before the inssne rhythms.
3. No real opinion on that one. Does seem kind of weird to me to use the metal grates but not sure its hurting anything as everyone has to use it.
4. Im ok with that. Everyone uses them so its a must and its a pointless expense at that point.
Formula 1 was better racing when the cars had no driver aids, fully manual, and diffucilt to drive. Sliding sideway, missing shifts, wheelspin, lock ups, all were part of making a fast lap. Mistakes pushing the edge lead to time gained and lost and imagine that, passing!
Sx is going the same way with 4 strokes being so smooth and forgiving. Now with advanced traction control and mapping they are helping more than ever.
So i guess i do agree taking away some starting devices would help, but how far can they go? Locking ecus so no special startibg maps and tc?
Every .5 seconds another gate drops...
Leave it all up to chance and give everyone a trophy at the end of the night.
Tomac stod out a bit though this weekend, great gate drop.
It is easier to judge and stop a bike going a bit slower. If the start this weekend had been 70% of what it was, im pretty sure they would have been able to escape the first turn pile up in 250s.
Taking away electronics for launch control + possibly banning holeshot devices and going back to dirt starts leaves more for the rider to handle.
All the fastest riders did get out together in Dallas and you yourself said it was boring...
You absolutely can compare or at least learn from others mistakes...a start is a start and in the GP's when they tried to favor the faster qualifiers and almost guarantee that the top qualifiers got off to good starts together it created boring follow the leader racing on hard to pass tracks.
A good holeshot is an advantage in any race.
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with changing the starts or system to unfairly favor the fastest qualifier, as others have said take away the starting aids and make the skill of starting a greater part and you will accomplish a separation off the line which in turn will not get everyone to the first turn together...remember the days when someone would get a bad jump and back off and go to the inside to hopefully cut under everyone...you don't see that anymore because now with all the aids its hard to get a bad jump.
I like grid starts + 3 moto mains. With reverse order for motos 2 & 3 based on scoring.
Since their goal is to increase the chances anyone can win, I don’t see them going shorter.
I like the triple crown better for that reason. All the fast guys in each moto no need to see the guys 5 to 10 seconds off the pace can see that talent locally.
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After reading my post that's all you got out of it??
I'm sorry I disagree with you but it seems the majority also disagrees.
And thats what I'm against making such large scale changes without any thought of long term effects...start off small eliminate start aids and see what that does...redesign first turns and start straights..but to totally think that we have to recreate the wheel because there was some over exuberant 250 riders this weekend or because Tomac got his grip caught in his teammates wheel last week is a bit of overkill
Anything that changes the historic, iconic segments of the sport would never be accepted.
Anything causing consistent injuries would have to be corrected or some lawyer will be sending a letter.
The Gate is iconic.
Other solutions as already mentioned would scramble the players to prevent everyone arriving at the same time, and add some unpredictability to the results.
The mesh is the only new ingredient and is likely responsible for what we've seen this year.
I'd recommend a lottery for gate pick, as it used to be.
Yesterdays race was one of the best Daytona 500's I've seen in a while. I've been a NASCAR fan since the first Brickyard 400.
Usually the start is good, then they cruise around for 2 hours (boring) and have a good finish.
Yesterday they were racing their asses off all day trying to get stage points, and the action was pretty much non stop.
NASCAR racing has never been better. The chase and stage racing have made the on track product much better. imo.
Oh and btw, I'm 60, and into all kinds of racing. Any change that makes the racing better, I'm for it.
So it's not just for the "younger fan". Call it what you want but I like it!
All sports evolve. Even the NFL makes changes to try and make their product better.
SX needs to do the same.
BTW...The LCQ's in Dallas were 100 times better than the 450 main.
My youngest gets so exited at the starts she shakes in my arms!!!!
For the record I went to the Texas race with 15 other fans and all the adults who know what a grid start is, said, NO to grid starts:. #NO2SXGRIDSTARTS
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