Suzuki rmz 2021

Edited Date/Time 9/4/2020 12:40pm
has anyone heard anything about 2021 suzuki? or some photos?
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9/2/2020 7:00am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2020 7:01am
No photos, but:

Electric start
Hydro clutch
Steel Frame
Reverse engine
Dual exhaust
Composite subframe
5 color plastic scheme, up from 4*
13 pound weight loss

*just a rumor

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GrapeApe wrote:
No photos, but: Electric start Hydro clutch Steel Frame Reverse engine Dual exhaust Composite subframe 5 color plastic scheme, up from 4* 13 pound weight loss...
No photos, but:

Electric start
Hydro clutch
Steel Frame
Reverse engine
Dual exhaust
Composite subframe
5 color plastic scheme, up from 4*
13 pound weight loss

*just a rumor

And 2-strokes, don't forget about new 2-strokes
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9/2/2020 7:29am
GrapeApe wrote:
No photos, but: Electric start Hydro clutch Steel Frame Reverse engine Dual exhaust Composite subframe 5 color plastic scheme, up from 4* 13 pound weight loss...
No photos, but:

Electric start
Hydro clutch
Steel Frame
Reverse engine
Dual exhaust
Composite subframe
5 color plastic scheme, up from 4*
13 pound weight loss

*just a rumor

roninho wrote:
And 2-strokes, don't forget about new 2-strokes
That goes without saying, right?

I almost forgot to mention the 2021.5 Barry Carsten Factory Edition with billet clamps, yellow wheels and dual yosh slip-ons
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9/2/2020 8:14am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2020 8:15am
GrapeApe wrote:
That goes without saying, right?

I almost forgot to mention the 2021.5 Barry Carsten Factory Edition with billet clamps, yellow wheels and dual yosh slip-ons
I believe it will have an onboard Alexa app too. "Alexa, less bottom end torque... and add rear fender to my shopping list"
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9/2/2020 8:22am
Don't forget the "going out of business" edition: a 2008 model with BNG, since they can't afford to utilize the newer 2018 molds.

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing Oh man, I crack myself up.
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9/2/2020 9:03am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2020 9:08am
Spent the last year Hamamatsu Way,
Couldn't get much older.
Out to pasture, think its safe to say,
Graphics slightly bolder.

And we don't need the fanbois crying cuz the shock is bad
The Hamamatsu Way, is cheaper than those F.E. lads

*Slide guitar solo*

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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/02/447524/s1200_2012suzukirm_z450_532ad9d19bbd5_532ad9d19bfc3_2080x1384.jpg[/img]

Sweet bike.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/02/447524/s1200_2012suzukirm_z450_532ad9d19bbd5_532ad9d19bfc3_2080x1384.jpg[/img]

Sweet bike.
I think this might actually be a spy shot of the 2022 model.
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9/2/2020 12:02pm
I think this might actually be a spy shot of the 2022 model.
Sure looks a lot like a 2012.



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9/2/2020 12:14pm
I heard from a pretty good source that there were going to be some changes but they did not say to which bike for 2021. But if the bike was the same, why the delay in announcing anything? Maybe to get ride of 2020 inventory ?
Only time will tell. There has to be a reason they built a new factory a few years back?
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/09/02/447524/s1200_2012suzukirm_z450_532ad9d19bbd5_532ad9d19bfc3_2080x1384.jpg[/img]

Sweet bike.
I think this might actually be a spy shot of the 2022 model.
Your "jokes" suck.
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9/2/2020 12:57pm
I know it may sound crazy to some , as I've mentioned this a few times over the years. I was a big Kawi guy ( 2 strokes and 4 strokes ). Then switched on to the Husky 2 strokes.........But.....

One of the coolest rides I ever had on a 450 , was a bone stock 2011 RMZ 450. Suspension was done , and that was all. That bike cornered like it was on velcro ( It went exactly where I pointed it ). Motor was super smooth and it just felt awesome under me. I damn near sold my Kawi , to get the RMZ. Something about them Suzuki's just feel super comfortable to ride. At least for me.
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I think this might actually be a spy shot of the 2022 model.
Your "jokes" suck.
need a hug?
every zook fan needs a hug...

We just recently lost a goat, man. Sad
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9/2/2020 4:40pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2020 1:24pm
Since Suzuki’s customarily have a little less HP than other brands of the same size, and as so many folks love the 350’s, Suzuki has decided to up the anty and build a 370. They should be hitting the showrooms next month.

Edit: It was a joke you whiney downvoters. Sheesh. Everyone takes shit so seriously these days.
Oh, and I bleed yellow. Been on Zooks since the 80's.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I know it may sound crazy to some , as I've mentioned this a few times over the years. I was a big Kawi guy (...
I know it may sound crazy to some , as I've mentioned this a few times over the years. I was a big Kawi guy ( 2 strokes and 4 strokes ). Then switched on to the Husky 2 strokes.........But.....

One of the coolest rides I ever had on a 450 , was a bone stock 2011 RMZ 450. Suspension was done , and that was all. That bike cornered like it was on velcro ( It went exactly where I pointed it ). Motor was super smooth and it just felt awesome under me. I damn near sold my Kawi , to get the RMZ. Something about them Suzuki's just feel super comfortable to ride. At least for me.
Same experience on the 2014 I had. The bike was just so dialed.
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9/2/2020 6:58pm
GrapeApe wrote:
No photos, but: Electric start Hydro clutch Steel Frame Reverse engine Dual exhaust Composite subframe 5 color plastic scheme, up from 4* 13 pound weight loss...
No photos, but:

Electric start
Hydro clutch
Steel Frame
Reverse engine
Dual exhaust
Composite subframe
5 color plastic scheme, up from 4*
13 pound weight loss

*just a rumor

You were doing well until the reverse engine part. Apparently that equates to nearly a decade of chassis design setback.
9/3/2020 7:00am
smrscott wrote:
I heard from a pretty good source that there were going to be some changes but they did not say to which bike for 2021. But...
I heard from a pretty good source that there were going to be some changes but they did not say to which bike for 2021. But if the bike was the same, why the delay in announcing anything? Maybe to get ride of 2020 inventory ?
Only time will tell. There has to be a reason they built a new factory a few years back?
There is no good source other than bs rumours. Nobody had info on the Suzuki as well as the yamaha before seeing them on pictures.
It's only speculations!
Suzuki has to release two new bikes with electric start so yes probably 2022 or 2023 but please stop making rumours that are just pure speculations.
Or tell your sources, not like a friend that knows a friend, that knows an engineer in japan lol like our dear gillboy....
9/3/2020 10:23am
Prediction: the next "change" from Suzuki will be developing just a center port head for the 450 (slim chance it's the whole motor) and putting the 450 motor in the current 250 chassis.

Then, unless something changes, that's the last RMZ450.
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9/3/2020 10:48am Edited Date/Time 9/3/2020 11:05am
Prediction: the next "change" from Suzuki will be developing just a center port head for the 450 (slim chance it's the whole motor) and putting the...
Prediction: the next "change" from Suzuki will be developing just a center port head for the 450 (slim chance it's the whole motor) and putting the 450 motor in the current 250 chassis.

Then, unless something changes, that's the last RMZ450.
Suzuki doesn't even need to make major changes. It is a competitive platform. Changes I would prefer to see over any engine changes to the 450:

Use suspension components from 250 on both models. This stuff is already considered industry best on other makes and is, presumably, a cheaper range than the 450 Showa stuff.

Which leads to, Get base suspension settings in realm with reality:. .5 kg/mm fork springs is insane on a 250! These bikes are so close to broadly appealing in stock form for most riders, except for really bad base settings. If you are going to make an everyman bike, aim it for a middle-road person. If you have any questions, pay pretty much any suspension tuner for the answer to this: "What is your setting for a 165 lb B rider"

Roll the "Factory Rebates" into the MSRP: Get that $2.5K-$3k cheaper sticker front and center, rather than supplied through smoke and mirrors.

That's just a starting point, requires no major changes, costs basically nothing (or is cheaper than whatever they are doing), and makes these bikes a whole lot more desirable from the get go.
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Prediction: the next "change" from Suzuki will be developing just a center port head for the 450 (slim chance it's the whole motor) and putting the...
Prediction: the next "change" from Suzuki will be developing just a center port head for the 450 (slim chance it's the whole motor) and putting the 450 motor in the current 250 chassis.

Then, unless something changes, that's the last RMZ450.
Suzuki doesn't even need to make major changes. It is a competitive platform. Changes I would prefer to see over [u]any[/u] engine changes to the 450...
Suzuki doesn't even need to make major changes. It is a competitive platform. Changes I would prefer to see over any engine changes to the 450:

Use suspension components from 250 on both models. This stuff is already considered industry best on other makes and is, presumably, a cheaper range than the 450 Showa stuff.

Which leads to, Get base suspension settings in realm with reality:. .5 kg/mm fork springs is insane on a 250! These bikes are so close to broadly appealing in stock form for most riders, except for really bad base settings. If you are going to make an everyman bike, aim it for a middle-road person. If you have any questions, pay pretty much any suspension tuner for the answer to this: "What is your setting for a 165 lb B rider"

Roll the "Factory Rebates" into the MSRP: Get that $2.5K-$3k cheaper sticker front and center, rather than supplied through smoke and mirrors.

That's just a starting point, requires no major changes, costs basically nothing (or is cheaper than whatever they are doing), and makes these bikes a whole lot more desirable from the get go.
I agree with the changes you suggest but I think they need to go deeper to be a serious player and sell a ton of bikes.
There's plenty of power where you need it but the dyno numbers are weak up top.
Competitive horsepower numbers sell bikes and the yellow dyno line always falls off before the rest.
The chassis is too rigid. They at least need to make an attempt at claiming they softened it up a bit. Use terms like Torsional and Longitudinal flex characteristics in press releases.
Use less bolts and fasteners. My 18 has like 6 bolts holding each shroud on.
Which leads to lose weight. Time to redesign that engine with some weight savings in mind. With sufficient R&D testing they could safely trim some excess. Suzukis are bulletproof but what good are they doing unsold with massive discounts on the showroom floor. Give people some mechanical eye candy to get excited about. The engine cases on that 2012 above look the same as my 18 mill, which is the same as the 20 mill.
E-Start. The bike needs to get E-Start AND lose 4-5 lbs overall for the haters opinions to start changing. I'm getting tired of kicking people in the shins trying to start my bike when we're all bunched up waiting to be let out for 1st practice in the morning. People don't leave room anymore since all they need to do is hit a button.. Then you get the stink eye because you're on the dinosaur.
You already outlined the rear Suspension issue and cost effective corrections..
All that said..I'm going red next season. I own 10 or so Vintage RMs and of course my 18 RMZ, but I'm done waiting for positive change.
Like I said... there's plenty of power where you need it.
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