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You mean there ACTUALLY was a R&D department?
Gotta wonder why so essential workers were fired...
The Shop
The other side of the coin tells me that maybe they’re the ones doing it right. Instead of throwing money at the bike, put it into contingency and let the grassroots guys earn some cash at the end of the day. If it were easier to make some money at the amateur level, there may be more people still involved or at least interested in the sport.
I agree with all that the RMZ450 is a decent bike, yes it is down a few (not just a couple) HP compared to others, has lesser suspension ability than others, doesnt have ES like others but hey its a decent bike.
Now let us say (for arguements sake) you have a group of riders of the same ability/skills/etc that always race each other, and they all have the other brands apart from one who rides the Zook, 99 times out of 100 the other brand guys will go faster, so what does Zook guy have to do? he has to spend a lot more money getting more HP or getting his suspension upgraded (but he thinks that is ok I got my Zook cheaper so will only end up paying what the others have), then he is AS fast as the others and may definitely win more but then the other guys then hop up their other brands....
Now if you only trail ride, or race locally and perhaps dont give a shit about winning, or are a pro and race against intermediate/expert riders, etc etc then yeah thats great, the Zook may be ideal
Yes, the Suzuki contingency is very very good. And again, the RMZ is a decent bike but certainly not by any means a great bike, compared to others.
Just my humble opinion....
There are a very select few guys in the world who will need to spend money on a 450 to get more power in order to go faster.
Motocross is not a game of power in the 450 class,
G😏
This isn’t news to anyone and Suzuki knows what is wrong with it. The fact they continue to do nothing is what is so frustrating and in my own opinion should not be supported. You guys say the fixes are easy, cheap, whatever....so why the F hasn’t suzuki made the changes?!
And why do you guys act like your vital weekend warrior opinions are more valid than the shootouts that have guys of all skill levels riding every bike back to back in the same conditions for a length of time.... it’s a last place bike. You will for sure be faster on any other new bike, but maybe that doesn’t matter to you and that’s totally fine. I don’t race anymore, I’m a weekend warrior, my last 450 was an rmz and it sucked, my current bike is a husky and I feel way safer on it in many situations that I feel I would have died on the rmz. My husky is not the best bike either and I’m not too stubborn to admit that nor am I implying that. It’s better than the rmz though for sure.
I’m a professional practice rider with a dad bod. Bike isn’t holding me back at all. I had a brand new Husky. It wasn’t all that everyone claims.
Is this entire site made up of A class pro riders? Good lord.
There are a lot of die hard Zuk fans on this forum that refuse to accept the bike is outdated & not competitive at the higher levels of racing. There is good reason why no top tier Pro is on one.
Joey is the only one that comes to mind & interested to see how he does on the outdated yellow bike. I’ll be the 1st to eat crow if he wins a race on it.
to put ohlins or cone valve...
It's a pity that suzuki don't invest that much on their mx line up, but saying it's outdated i think it's wrong.
The 85 RM is outdated, but still win races at high level!
Pro riders that have been switching from suzuki to kawasaki or husqvarna or other brands are not much faster...
It's the rider and the tuner that are the most important,
if you think your rmz has a lack of hp, just tune it...
And if you want electric start, Valenti is developping it!
Pit Row
I think just the opposite is true. A highly modded JGR rm-z is good enough for top guys to do well on. It's in the amateurs where some might not have unlimited funds where the bike MIGHT hold some people back.
Put Ken or Eli on a zuke and they would still be winning.
Ok so tune it, throw on the electric start that you say is still being developed (lmao), it still has the worst suspension so that needs to be worked on and most say it still sucks, also needs to shed quite a few pounds (not sure how you’ll pull that one off)... all this to be as good as a stock other bike, and how much money do you have invested in it now? Once again bringing the subject in question back...suzuki r&d leaving literally doesn’t matter. They’ve been on vacay for years.
Lets use Freddie Noren for example since that actually happened. He went from a privateer Honda last year to a factory Zuk. Granted there are some variables involved, but his stats did not improve that much. I think I recall him actually running the pace ET1 had for a couple of laps at one race on the Honda.
For me personally I work hard for my earnings & no way would I use my hard earned money on an out dated bike that the manufacturer doesn’t believe in updating when you have much better options.
Sorry to hear they got let go, it doesn’t bode well for several teams in the paddock. Our company as well has cut our R&D spending, but we have those employees helping in other engineering efforts until we can get their budget back.
Instead its the most basic, outdated, and the heaviest.
BP
You're french then you must know that Thomas Do; Aubin; Annelot; Duberos don't complain about the weight!
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