Suzuki decline

byke wrote:

Okay, but only if the seller joined the forum on April Fool's, shares either a first or last name with a famous martial artist and the...

Okay, but only if the seller joined the forum on April Fool's, shares either a first or last name with a famous martial artist and the bike is located somewhere in the USA.

JAFO92 wrote:

I know you guys are tired of that.

BikeGuy321 wrote:

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who...

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who rode during those years still have the same opinion of the two brands. Kawasaki keeps updating their bikes though, so that helps with consumer confidence. Suzuki gives people the impression that they might pull the plug at any moment, so their sales are bound to suffer.

BikeGuy321 wrote:

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who...

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who rode during those years still have the same opinion of the two brands. Kawasaki keeps updating their bikes though, so that helps with consumer confidence. Suzuki gives people the impression that they might pull the plug at any moment, so their sales are bound to suffer.

SLAPAHO wrote:

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn...

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn good...

BikeGuy321 wrote:

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who...

Suzuki and Kawi had a bad rep through the early 2000's for being less reliable than the other brands. I think a lot of people who rode during those years still have the same opinion of the two brands. Kawasaki keeps updating their bikes though, so that helps with consumer confidence. Suzuki gives people the impression that they might pull the plug at any moment, so their sales are bound to suffer.

SLAPAHO wrote:

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn...

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn good...

BikeGuy321 wrote:

Lots of clutch and tranny issues though, from what I remember.

SLAPAHO wrote:

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn...

idk, the rm's between 01 and 07 were some of their best bikes... don't know about the green ones but the yellow ones were pretty damn good...

mxman wrote:

How many Suzuki's do you see at the local tracks every weekend ? Very few in Texas

colvin227 wrote:

Only one I see and care about is the one on my stand. I could care less what other people Ride or what’s trendy at the...

Only one I see and care about is the one on my stand. I could care less what other people
Ride or what’s trendy at the moment . Love my 17, and when it’s time to buy another bike it’ll be another zuke.

SLAPAHO wrote:

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing...

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing a guy on the line next to me at perris raceway doing the normal rev out before the start and his bike just going into gear for no reason and him flying into the gate.. shit happens.. i had the 01 rm125 and 02 rm250 and had zero trans issues..

SLAPAHO wrote:

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing...

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing a guy on the line next to me at perris raceway doing the normal rev out before the start and his bike just going into gear for no reason and him flying into the gate.. shit happens.. i had the 01 rm125 and 02 rm250 and had zero trans issues..

Asselstine wrote:

Yup great time for Suzuki's. They've always had terrible clutches. I had a 00 01 02 Rm125 and an 03 Rm250 the 02 is possibly my...

Yup great time for Suzuki's. They've always had terrible clutches. I had a 00 01 02 Rm125 and an 03 Rm250 the 02 is possibly my favorite bike to this day. The Kawasuki 250fs were just awful, ticking timebombs. Had the 04 big mistake.

Had over 10 Suzuki's total. Bought one last year, they've never been further from the competition. Soon as I rode another brand I couldn't stand my bike. Then I had to give the thing away since no one wants them. Looked wicked though...

Subotai wrote:

Which competitors bike did you ride?

BevoDave wrote:

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular...

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular joes, a new RMZ seems well-liked and
popular, just curious why 37/40 bikes at an AMA National arent Suzukis?

Deja New wrote:

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good...

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good bike but more important a brand loyalty that starts with the 50cc class and an image of themselves that’s cool and people want kind of like Apple did with the iPod. No one needs one but everyone wanted one.

I’m brand loyal I grew up on Suzuki but even I’ve lost interest so I ride old rm250. They would need a complete rebranding of them selves and their public image in our sport ( not as a brand as a whole ). If they brought out a new 2 stroke or electric bike I’d buy one but for me 450 is way to much to hold onto at 45 and 250f is too much work to maintain.

And as for racing the company has lost interest in spending their own money to race mx and the other brands ( so far ) have not. Yamaha seems to be the next to drop mxgp. If you look at gp bike numbers their are no Suzuki’s most weekends and maybe 2 Honda’s but no one is asking if they are going away.

In the USA Honda has 1 450 title from 2004 with RC Suzuki has quite a few more but Honda has managed to keep their brand popular even without race success.

I’m by no means an expert just my 2c. If they want to be in the MX game they need an entire new line up starting with 50cc or kids eBikes to build the ever important loyalty to a brand from a young age.....

BevoDave wrote:

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular...

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular joes, a new RMZ seems well-liked and
popular, just curious why 37/40 bikes at an AMA National arent Suzukis?

Deja New wrote:

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good...

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good bike but more important a brand loyalty that starts with the 50cc class and an image of themselves that’s cool and people want kind of like Apple did with the iPod. No one needs one but everyone wanted one.

I’m brand loyal I grew up on Suzuki but even I’ve lost interest so I ride old rm250. They would need a complete rebranding of them selves and their public image in our sport ( not as a brand as a whole ). If they brought out a new 2 stroke or electric bike I’d buy one but for me 450 is way to much to hold onto at 45 and 250f is too much work to maintain.

And as for racing the company has lost interest in spending their own money to race mx and the other brands ( so far ) have not. Yamaha seems to be the next to drop mxgp. If you look at gp bike numbers their are no Suzuki’s most weekends and maybe 2 Honda’s but no one is asking if they are going away.

In the USA Honda has 1 450 title from 2004 with RC Suzuki has quite a few more but Honda has managed to keep their brand popular even without race success.

I’m by no means an expert just my 2c. If they want to be in the MX game they need an entire new line up starting with 50cc or kids eBikes to build the ever important loyalty to a brand from a young age.....

willie838 wrote:

It's not just that. They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well. Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out...

It's not just that.

They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well.

Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out stupid.

Deja New wrote:

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good...

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good bike but more important a brand loyalty that starts with the 50cc class and an image of themselves that’s cool and people want kind of like Apple did with the iPod. No one needs one but everyone wanted one.

I’m brand loyal I grew up on Suzuki but even I’ve lost interest so I ride old rm250. They would need a complete rebranding of them selves and their public image in our sport ( not as a brand as a whole ). If they brought out a new 2 stroke or electric bike I’d buy one but for me 450 is way to much to hold onto at 45 and 250f is too much work to maintain.

And as for racing the company has lost interest in spending their own money to race mx and the other brands ( so far ) have not. Yamaha seems to be the next to drop mxgp. If you look at gp bike numbers their are no Suzuki’s most weekends and maybe 2 Honda’s but no one is asking if they are going away.

In the USA Honda has 1 450 title from 2004 with RC Suzuki has quite a few more but Honda has managed to keep their brand popular even without race success.

I’m by no means an expert just my 2c. If they want to be in the MX game they need an entire new line up starting with 50cc or kids eBikes to build the ever important loyalty to a brand from a young age.....

willie838 wrote:

It's not just that. They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well. Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out...

It's not just that.

They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well.

Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out stupid.

Bruce372 wrote:

I thought the new GSXR was revolutionary with the variable valve timing? I was hopeful they were gonna use that technology on the new 2018 rmz450...

I thought the new GSXR was revolutionary with the variable valve timing? I was hopeful they were gonna use that technology on the new 2018 rmz450, but instead they went with the 2008 engine lol

willie838 wrote:

It's not just that. They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well. Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out...

It's not just that.

They've let their sport bike line really suffer as well.

Gixxers are so unchanged that buying a new model is flat out stupid.

Bruce372 wrote:

I thought the new GSXR was revolutionary with the variable valve timing? I was hopeful they were gonna use that technology on the new 2018 rmz450...

I thought the new GSXR was revolutionary with the variable valve timing? I was hopeful they were gonna use that technology on the new 2018 rmz450, but instead they went with the 2008 engine lol

Falcon wrote:

2017 GSX-R1000 had this and the lean angle-sensing traction control. It's damn near impossible to make that bike step out in a corner with the system...

2017 GSX-R1000 had this and the lean angle-sensing traction control. It's damn near impossible to make that bike step out in a corner with the system on 100%.

SLAPAHO wrote:

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing...

yes, i'm pretty sure Hinson made a few bucks during that time... the 1999 rm250's were the main one with tranny issues tho. i remember seeing a guy on the line next to me at perris raceway doing the normal rev out before the start and his bike just going into gear for no reason and him flying into the gate.. shit happens.. i had the 01 rm125 and 02 rm250 and had zero trans issues..

Asselstine wrote:

Yup great time for Suzuki's. They've always had terrible clutches. I had a 00 01 02 Rm125 and an 03 Rm250 the 02 is possibly my...

Yup great time for Suzuki's. They've always had terrible clutches. I had a 00 01 02 Rm125 and an 03 Rm250 the 02 is possibly my favorite bike to this day. The Kawasuki 250fs were just awful, ticking timebombs. Had the 04 big mistake.

Had over 10 Suzuki's total. Bought one last year, they've never been further from the competition. Soon as I rode another brand I couldn't stand my bike. Then I had to give the thing away since no one wants them. Looked wicked though...

Subotai wrote:

Which competitors bike did you ride?

mxman wrote:

How many Suzuki's do you see at the local tracks every weekend ? Very few in Texas

BevoDave wrote:

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular...

Thanks for the info Deja. In reading through this there doesn’t seem to be any “one particular” reason they aren’t better-represented on Saturdays. For us regular joes, a new RMZ seems well-liked and
popular, just curious why 37/40 bikes at an AMA National arent Suzukis?

Deja New wrote:

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good...

One massive reason is they’re not cool enough, for the guys that have to have an orange bike... let’s face it KTM has built a good bike but more important a brand loyalty that starts with the 50cc class and an image of themselves that’s cool and people want kind of like Apple did with the iPod. No one needs one but everyone wanted one.

I’m brand loyal I grew up on Suzuki but even I’ve lost interest so I ride old rm250. They would need a complete rebranding of them selves and their public image in our sport ( not as a brand as a whole ). If they brought out a new 2 stroke or electric bike I’d buy one but for me 450 is way to much to hold onto at 45 and 250f is too much work to maintain.

And as for racing the company has lost interest in spending their own money to race mx and the other brands ( so far ) have not. Yamaha seems to be the next to drop mxgp. If you look at gp bike numbers their are no Suzuki’s most weekends and maybe 2 Honda’s but no one is asking if they are going away.

In the USA Honda has 1 450 title from 2004 with RC Suzuki has quite a few more but Honda has managed to keep their brand popular even without race success.

I’m by no means an expert just my 2c. If they want to be in the MX game they need an entire new line up starting with 50cc or kids eBikes to build the ever important loyalty to a brand from a young age.....

Log Hopper wrote:

I disagree with brand loyalty with KTM starting with 50cc. After dealing with a brand new "race ready" SX50 and a 65 there is no way...

I disagree with brand loyalty with KTM starting with 50cc. After dealing with a brand new "race ready" SX50 and a 65 there is no way I would buy another KTM and if my kids are interested I would mock them until they picked something else. I'm bitter, very bitter.

Bruce372 wrote:

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Sold!