Posts
240
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
San Jose, CA
US
kx1984
4/17/2010 10:08pm
4/17/2010 10:08pm
Edited Date/Time
1/25/2012 10:16am
Just have to wonder. I guess you would have to define the sport. Is it Motocross supported by Supercross ? I think that is what the core fans would like to believe it is.
Is it now Supercross supported by a Motocross series? At this point I have to believe that Supercross is just shorting the core fans out of a great outdoor series where you can count on all the fastest guys lining up.
Maybe it's been figured out and the outdoors just are'nt as important as I would like to believe. Did everyone get hurt in the Supercross season and then not ride the outdoors back in say 1986? I first became annoyed with Supercross about 3 years ago when I went to the SF round and noticed super short lap times. Like 50 sec. lap times. You look at the stadium floor and there seems to be plenty of space for a longer track. More recently , it seems like over and over again these guys are getting hurt and not finishing the series (and how good is a series if no one can finish it) and effecting the outdoor series. Now guys don't even want to ride the outdoor series. Rich teams buy the best riders and don't even compete in the outdoor series. How did we get here?
I love that I get to see dirt bikes race on TV way more often that in the past. Maybe that is Supercrosses biggest contribution to "The Sport". On the flip side , if Supercrosses biggest contribution is that my aunt might know the name of a rider ,or there are Fox stores in the malls or a bunch of people that don't ride have Motocross shirts on or stickers on thier trucks then WTF? 20'000 people at a National is good enough. We don't need EVERYONE to care about Motocross.
Is it now Supercross supported by a Motocross series? At this point I have to believe that Supercross is just shorting the core fans out of a great outdoor series where you can count on all the fastest guys lining up.
Maybe it's been figured out and the outdoors just are'nt as important as I would like to believe. Did everyone get hurt in the Supercross season and then not ride the outdoors back in say 1986? I first became annoyed with Supercross about 3 years ago when I went to the SF round and noticed super short lap times. Like 50 sec. lap times. You look at the stadium floor and there seems to be plenty of space for a longer track. More recently , it seems like over and over again these guys are getting hurt and not finishing the series (and how good is a series if no one can finish it) and effecting the outdoor series. Now guys don't even want to ride the outdoor series. Rich teams buy the best riders and don't even compete in the outdoor series. How did we get here?
I love that I get to see dirt bikes race on TV way more often that in the past. Maybe that is Supercrosses biggest contribution to "The Sport". On the flip side , if Supercrosses biggest contribution is that my aunt might know the name of a rider ,or there are Fox stores in the malls or a bunch of people that don't ride have Motocross shirts on or stickers on thier trucks then WTF? 20'000 people at a National is good enough. We don't need EVERYONE to care about Motocross.
450s are too much indoors...
Why didn't they race 500s indoors?!?!
The Shop
b
How stupid!
SX is the sport! It makes all the money, it keeps MX alive. Let's be honest here.
RV was pushing way hard for the championship because RD was leading him. RV always rides on the edge, and it bit him. Period.
But kx1984, to say "We don't need EVERYONE to care about motocross" is a little selfish, don't you think?
If Supercroos never caught on , would there be no Motocross? Thats what I think you just said.
I love them both equally, but the sponsors love SX. That puts millions of dollars in the stars pockets, and keeps SX on TV every week. That money allows the teams to race the nationals.
Theres a reason JS makes 10 mil a year and only rides SX.
So to ask if SX is good for the sport just seemed really stupid to me.
SX is the sport. MX, WORCS, GNCC, SCORE, Flattrack,Freestyle, and all the others added together do not make the money SX does.
That is just a fact.
I'm former OTHG, lol. Sierra National sounds tempting...
Big difference...
The solution is to make supercross and the nationals all one series with one champion. Then you wouldn't have Villopoto thinking he HAS to clear that triple, and he'd know that he has plenty of other chances to win the title, he can back it off a little and live to fight another day.
The only problem with that solution is it presumes that the organizing arm of the sport has the vision, the power and the will to make it great. Unfortunately, it doesn't have any of those three attributes.
Pit Row
SX is the reason anyone outside this small little world even knows what motocross is, the only reason. If the sport only raced round fields, Joe in the street would never have heard of Bubba, in fact Big Bubba would probably never have put so much effort into promoting Juniors career. The whole impetus is that he can earn 10 million, or whatever. If the sport only raced round fields, there wouldn't be seven figures in it for the champion. I know it's sad, but the reality is that SX is the only thing which makes our sport remotely mainstream.
And SX without crashes - spectacular crashes - would not stay mainstream very long, because that is the only thing the target audience outside of the hard core want to see. The faster the tracks, the more spectacular the crashes, the more chance of a fracture. For the promoters, riders are expendable. Ten go down, ship another ten in, just like the gladiators and the lions. Remember Rollerball ?
Would supercross survive if outdoor motocross at all levels ceased to exist?
Nope.
Would outdoor motocross at all levels survive without supercross?
Hell yes.
I agree with the poster above that supercross is good for the sports elite but can hurt the core when Johnny Wide Open brings mom and dad to a supercross to convince them he needs a shiney new KX80. Not sure they would agree after that.
I still think there is way to much room left over on the stadium floors to be considring changing engine sizes. Thes track could/can be much wider and much longer.
Oh, on bikes - someone mentioned that they used to ride 500s indoors; I'm not good on technical tracks anyway, but when I ride my 500 on a night track, it's very difficult. Every time you dial it up you feel like you're going off the track. I've ridden a few 450s and I don't think they were as bad, but they're still a lot of bike on a tight track. 400s would be better, but don't hold your breath waiting on that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3O4_se6_T4
Post a reply to: Supercross good for the sport?