Supercross good for the sport?

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4/17/2010 10:08 PM

Just have to wonder. I guess you would have to define the sport. Is it Motocross supported by Supercross ? I think that is what the core fans would like to believe it is.

Is it now Supercross supported by a Motocross series? At this point I have to believe that Supercross is just shorting the core fans out of a great outdoor series where you can count on all the fastest guys lining up.

Maybe it's been figured out and the outdoors just are'nt as important as I would like to believe. Did everyone get hurt in the Supercross season and then not ride the outdoors back in say 1986? I first became annoyed with Supercross about 3 years ago when I went to the SF round and noticed super short lap times. Like 50 sec. lap times. You look at the stadium floor and there seems to be plenty of space for a longer track. More recently , it seems like over and over again these guys are getting hurt and not finishing the series (and how good is a series if no one can finish it) and effecting the outdoor series. Now guys don't even want to ride the outdoor series. Rich teams buy the best riders and don't even compete in the outdoor series. How did we get here?

I love that I get to see dirt bikes race on TV way more often that in the past. Maybe that is Supercrosses biggest contribution to "The Sport". On the flip side , if Supercrosses biggest contribution is that my aunt might know the name of a rider ,or there are Fox stores in the malls or a bunch of people that don't ride have Motocross shirts on or stickers on thier trucks then WTF? 20'000 people at a National is good enough. We don't need EVERYONE to care about Motocross.

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4/17/2010 10:09 PM

fucking track building designing mofos...not the sport.

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4/17/2010 10:11 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/17/2010 10:12 PM

They should space out the sports more. Like MX is 12 rounds, sx is 17. 52 weeks in the year. thats 29 weeks of racing 13 of not. so we should have about 6 weeks between series so everyone can recoupe their injuries.

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4/17/2010 10:13 PM

BobbyM wrote:

fucking track building designing mofos...not the sport.

BS, the tracks were way more tech in the 90s and early 2000s...

450s are too much indoors...

Why didn't they race 500s indoors?!?!

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4/17/2010 10:16 PM

BobbyM wrote:

fucking track building designing mofos...not the sport.

Crush wrote:

BS, the tracks were way more tech in the 90s and early 2000s...

450s are too much indoors...

Why didn't they race 500s indoors?!?!

that too

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4/17/2010 10:17 PM

BobbyM wrote:

fucking track building designing mofos...not the sport.

Crush wrote:

BS, the tracks were way more tech in the 90s and early 2000s...

450s are too much indoors...

Why didn't they race 500s indoors?!?!

I don't know man. That step on to step off onto a step on to step off to a step on a couple a races ago was pretty knarly.

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4/17/2010 10:18 PM

SX is fine for the sport. the 450 is not.

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Its a shame the 4 strokes are doing so well. It just goes to show that in order to actually go as fast as those of us on a 2 stroke, they have to buy into the double displacement handicap just so they can keep up.

4/17/2010 10:21 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/17/2010 10:22 PM

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

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Best Regards,

~ J. Sloan

4/17/2010 10:24 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

NHRA did shorten the track from 1320 feet to 1000 in the Pro categories after the Scott Kalitta crash.

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4/17/2010 10:25 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

Even in a top fuel drag racer, if there's a crash, it's unusual for that driver to get seriously hurt, much less to miss the rest of the championship.

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4/17/2010 10:25 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

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4/17/2010 10:26 PM

supr_fly_tnt wrote:

SX is fine for the sport. the 450 is not.

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I have not spent enough time on a 250f but I rode a CR500 for 2 seasons way back when. The 450's don't feel anywhere near as sketchy as the old 2 stroke 500's felt. Way more control with the new 4 strokes. When I hop on a 2 stroke 250, it still fells faster that the 450 to me. I think the 450's just get way better traction. I think the 450's are way closer to 250 2 strokes than they are to 500cc 2 strokes.

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4/17/2010 10:28 PM

Crush wrote:

BS, the tracks were way more tech in the 90s and early 2000s...

450s are too much indoors...

Why didn't they race 500s indoors?!?!

Open class bikes were part of the SX series in '74 - '75.

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4/17/2010 10:29 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

On a really small double the way I heard it.

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4/17/2010 10:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/17/2010 10:31 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

Yep, and after he got hurt everyone was talking about how the sport was getting too dangerous and supercross, with it's doubles and triples, was getting to be too much. Bailey's injury, while on an outdoor track, preceded the supercross season. By the way, watch your language around me, butthumper.

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Best Regards,

~ J. Sloan

4/17/2010 10:30 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/17/2010 10:31 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

kx1984 wrote:

On a really small double the way I heard it.

It was not a small double; it was two small single jumps that no one thought was a double.

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Best Regards,

~ J. Sloan

4/17/2010 10:32 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

I was waiting for this reply...

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4/17/2010 10:34 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

Yep, and after he got hurt everyone was talking about how the sport was getting too dangerous and supercross, with it's doubles and triples, was getting to be too much. Bailey's injury, while on an outdoor track, preceded the supercross season. By the way, watch your language around me, butthumper.

no they weren't.

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4/17/2010 10:40 PM

J. Sloan wrote:

This is what they said back in 87 when Bailey was paralyzed. I remember Bob Hannah saying the tracks were getting too dangerous. The sport is evolving; riders are on a dirt bike, jumping big jumps, going as fast as they can, and pushing it for glory. People are going to get hurt. Should we put rev limiters on drag cars cause it's dangerous going so fast? Come on...

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

kx1984 wrote:

On a really small double the way I heard it.

Wasn't a double, was never meant to be jumped. Pipes put the large bump in that spot to slow them down. David thought he could make it into a double jump and it was just too far.
That being said Pipes didn't have a lot of track building experience at that time. Later on Aaron Pipes did become quite well known as a track builder in the central valley.

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4/17/2010 10:40 PM

SUPERCROSS good for the sport???

How stupid!
SX is the sport! It makes all the money, it keeps MX alive. Let's be honest here.
RV was pushing way hard for the championship because RD was leading him. RV always rides on the edge, and it bit him. Period.


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4/17/2010 10:42 PM

kx1984 wrote:

On a really small double the way I heard it.

YEA...david couldn't jump small doubles back then...holy fuck. listen to yer brain and not other dumbshits.

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4/17/2010 10:44 PM

What BobbyM said ('bout track design)... supercross IS the sport, just different tracks and formats than outdoor. Um, and different "owners"... now there's something for you to question...

But kx1984, to say "We don't need EVERYONE to care about motocross" is a little selfish, don't you think?

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4/17/2010 10:45 PM

motowhore wrote:

SUPERCROSS good for the sport???

How stupid!
SX is the sport! It makes all the money, it keeps MX alive. Let's be honest here.
RV was pushing way hard for the championship because RD was leading him. RV always rides on the edge, and it bit him. Period.


Does it keep the sport alive? I still like to believe that I would still be racing weather Supercross ever came along or not. I mean , when you love Motocross you love Motocross.

If Supercroos never caught on , would there be no Motocross? Thats what I think you just said.

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4/17/2010 10:47 PM

BobbyM wrote:

what the fuck are you talking about. bailey was hurt in mx at huron

kx1984 wrote:

On a really small double the way I heard it.

BobbyM wrote:

YEA...david couldn't jump small doubles back then...holy fuck. listen to yer brain and not other dumbshits.

I thought that is what Bailey said on his edition of the Motocross files? " Just a small little jump".

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4/17/2010 10:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/17/2010 10:54 PM

Pdub wrote:

What BobbyM said ('bout track design)... supercross IS the sport, just different tracks and formats than outdoor. Um, and different "owners"... now there's something for you to question...

But kx1984, to say "We don't need EVERYONE to care about motocross" is a little selfish, don't you think?

Completely selfish. OTHG? See you at the Sierra National?

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4/17/2010 10:59 PM

I think Supercross may ultimately hurt overall ridership by the general public. I have to think that most parents take their kids to the SX and say that it's a cool event to see but no way in hell they would let their kid race. The more extreme any sport gets, the less people that will be doing it.

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4/17/2010 11:02 PM

kx1984 wrote:

On a really small double the way I heard it.

BobbyM wrote:

YEA...david couldn't jump small doubles back then...holy fuck. listen to yer brain and not other dumbshits.

kx1984 wrote:

I thought that is what Bailey said on his edition of the Motocross files? " Just a small little jump".

It was small, but not meant as a double.

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4/17/2010 11:02 PM

motowhore wrote:

SUPERCROSS good for the sport???

How stupid!
SX is the sport! It makes all the money, it keeps MX alive. Let's be honest here.
RV was pushing way hard for the championship because RD was leading him. RV always rides on the edge, and it bit him. Period.


kx1984 wrote:

Does it keep the sport alive? I still like to believe that I would still be racing weather Supercross ever came along or not. I mean , when you love Motocross you love Motocross.

If Supercroos never caught on , would there be no Motocross? Thats what I think you just said.

SX and MX are a business. It has nothing to do with what we like better.

I love them both equally, but the sponsors love SX. That puts millions of dollars in the stars pockets, and keeps SX on TV every week. That money allows the teams to race the nationals.

Theres a reason JS makes 10 mil a year and only rides SX.

So to ask if SX is good for the sport just seemed really stupid to me.

SX is the sport. MX, WORCS, GNCC, SCORE, Flattrack,Freestyle, and all the others added together do not make the money SX does.
That is just a fact.

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4/17/2010 11:04 PM

When you love bikes, you love bikes. Don't matter where you ride them. Most of us don't have the skills and/or 'nads to race professional supercross, but we can ride our own scoots and still have fun.

I'm former OTHG, lol. Sierra National sounds tempting...

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4/17/2010 11:07 PM

Pdub wrote:

When you love bikes, you love bikes. Don't matter where you ride them. Most of us don't have the skills and/or 'nads to race professional supercross, but we can ride our own scoots and still have fun.

I'm former OTHG, lol. Sierra National sounds tempting...

3 days of Hangtown starts this Friday!

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