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11/12/2018 8:04 PM

Ive wondered this for a long time , should they be banned?
If everybody has one than what difference does it make?
Other than it takes a little more technique to start without one, that plus with them every one gets going faster and carries more speed coming into the 1st corner, with more speed comes more danger , this has been my opinion for a while and i recently heard someone popular within the sport say the same thing word for word on a podcast the other day , so curious what others think
If your opinion is the not get rid of them i would be curious to hear why?

Should starting Devices be banned

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11/12/2018 9:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/12/2018 9:24 PM

I have thought exactly the same, I’m with ban them, test rider skill. However most motorsports use similar things too so I don’t see it happening.

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11/12/2018 9:34 PM

Ban them

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11/12/2018 9:38 PM

I actually have always been on the fence about holeshot devices too, Unless they are standard on all bikes they shouldn’t be used in my opinion.

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11/12/2018 9:42 PM

blockhead17 wrote:

I actually have always been on the fence about holeshot devices too, Unless they are standard on all bikes they shouldn’t be used in my opinion.

If one person uses them, everyone needs them so its just a pointless thing to spend money on. Get rid of them and its still an equal playing ground without having to spend money on gadgets. They are making front and rear devices and now devices to modulate the clutch. Fuck outta here with that shit.

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11/12/2018 10:02 PM

I was for banning it in professional racing when we still started on dirt. But there is no way that you could start on the steel starting pads (at least on the one i have tested) without locking the forks down.

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11/12/2018 10:06 PM

Motofinne wrote:

I was for banning it in professional racing when we still started on dirt. But there is no way that you could start on the steel starting pads (at least on the one i have tested) without locking the forks down.

...sure u can just not as quickly?

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11/12/2018 10:10 PM

Motofinne wrote:

I was for banning it in professional racing when we still started on dirt. But there is no way that you could start on the steel starting pads (at least on the one i have tested) without locking the forks down.

yz133rider wrote:

...sure u can just not as quickly?

I think it would be very, very unfair for shorter guys.

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11/12/2018 10:18 PM

Motofinne wrote:

I was for banning it in professional racing when we still started on dirt. But there is no way that you could start on the steel starting pads (at least on the one i have tested) without locking the forks down.

yz133rider wrote:

...sure u can just not as quickly?

Motofinne wrote:

I think it would be very, very unfair for shorter guys.

Motocross is unfair for taller guys. boo hoowink

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Ed Johnson

11/12/2018 10:40 PM

When you ban the $100 units everyone runs, the factories will spend $5,000 to invent a way to do it internally inside the forks.

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11/13/2018 12:14 AM

The bummer thing is that if you wanna them, alot of company's will take a hit in profits. Or maybe people will spend that 100 bucks on something else from that company, who knows

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11/13/2018 12:35 AM

It's kind of irrelevant whether we like them or not because I don't think we're going to go technologically back in time. Pandora's box has already been opened.

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11/13/2018 1:52 AM

Takes the skill out of the equation and increases the risk to the riders. What's the upside?

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11/13/2018 3:06 AM

Get rid of them and the grates too, bring back the variability and skill.

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11/13/2018 4:01 AM

Ban them, ban the metal grates, but allow blocks for shorter riders or anyone who wants them.

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11/13/2018 4:07 AM

If we can have starting blocks for us short peeps then sure, they can go away.

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11/13/2018 6:16 AM

I Dont think RC or James Stewart used starting devices
And they where just fine , i have no problem with starting blocks being used personally are banned now ?

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11/13/2018 6:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/13/2018 5:28 PM

CPR wrote:

Get rid of them and the grates too, bring back the variability and skill.

I Agree i would get rid of the grates also
And instead of starting devices
I would experiment with purposely throwing sand down
To go the opposite way
Instead of gaining speed take away speed
Put like a 20 feet section of sand right after the gate drop
There would be some nice roost , Slower speed going into the corners ,and it would take more skill to get the holeshot

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11/13/2018 6:32 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/13/2018 7:17 AM

tcallahan707 wrote:

Takes the skill out of the equation and increases the risk to the riders. What's the upside?

How does it take the skill out of a start? It is the same for everyone. Technique is still relevant, even with a holeshot device. I would think the hole shot maps built into the ECU provide more of an advantage than the device itself.

Do you guys really think that removing them will make the bikes go that much slower into the first corner? the difference between 35 MPH vs 33 MPH will not matter at all.

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

11/13/2018 3:38 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/13/2018 3:39 PM

tcallahan707 wrote:

Takes the skill out of the equation and increases the risk to the riders. What's the upside?

BobPA wrote:

How does it take the skill out of a start? It is the same for everyone. Technique is still relevant, even with a holeshot device. I would think the hole shot maps built into the ECU provide more of an advantage than the device itself.

Do you guys really think that removing them will make the bikes go that much slower into the first corner? the difference between 35 MPH vs 33 MPH will not matter at all.

Anything that allows them to just set the RPM and dump the clutch is taking the skill out of it. Maps, start devices, and the RPM lights all should go.

As for safety, it’s not about speed. It’s about the pack being spread out more entering the first turn, due to less perfection off the line.

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