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I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why.

Not even win a championship and get a low permanent number?
Not even win a moto and get a low permanent number?

Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it
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flarider wrote:
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why. Not even win a championship and get a...
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why.

Not even win a championship and get a low permanent number?
Not even win a moto and get a low permanent number?

Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it
it's a stupid system

Hows that ?
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kaw rider9 9/17/2010 1:49pm
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I want a lower number... I'm sick of 217... I can't be any good with such a high number!
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kwhite199 9/17/2010 2:06pm
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kaw rider9 wrote:
I want a lower number... I'm sick of 217... I can't be any good with such a high number!
I don't know, there is a guy with #377 that seems to be pretty fast Wink
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What about that guy with the 801? lol I quit trying to figure out why they do it the way they do. Make them earn it every year then let the moto heads know what numbers the riders are for that year.

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flarider 9/17/2010 2:15pm
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I thought when they changed it, champions got to pick a number, everyone else was on the points system like it always was.

Now, I don't understand it....riders who don't win championships or even a moto can now take a permanent number?
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stumpjumper 9/17/2010 2:27pm
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Usually it's a three digit number though,I think they should change top ten every year also
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flarider wrote:
I thought when they changed it, champions got to pick a number, everyone else was on the points system like it always was. Now, I don't...
I thought when they changed it, champions got to pick a number, everyone else was on the points system like it always was.

Now, I don't understand it....riders who don't win championships or even a moto can now take a permanent number?
Think this is a read about the current numbering system,it should explain it.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/...ERING-GAME-4001.aspx
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Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number..

Some are bitch at...
the renaming of jumps on tracks
about four stroke
about noise
about numbers

Kinda pointless to me. I don't hear any riders complaining about numbers, just some Ineternet message board guys.
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MXerDW 9/17/2010 3:55pm
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#1 - 9 Are for Champions (SX, 250 MX, and 450 MX) or a Champion can pick a two or three digit # as there career #.


Then you have riders that earn top 10 in overall combined points (SX, 250 MX, and 450 MX) at the end of each season. These riders get to pick a permanent # for the rest of their career.

Here was 2009 combined points
1 854 Reed
2 658 Short
3 602 Tedesco
4 517 Grant (earned a permanent #)
5 503 Dungey (earned a permanent Championship #)
6 492 Pourcel (earned a permanent #)
7 394 Millsaps
8 378 Metcalfe (earned a permanent #)
9 377 Stewart
10 375 Byrne
369 T. Hahn
360 M. Alessi
353 Weimer
340 Barcia
332 Searle


2010 combined points
1 906 Dungey
2 577 Canard (gets a permanent Championship #, and Trey is choosing #41 I believe)
3 543 Short
4 473 Windham
5 446 Rattray (gets a permanent #)
6 443 Pourcel
7 443 Chisholm (gets a permanent #)
8 438 Brayton (gets a permanent #)
9 437 Wilson (gets a permanent #)
10 420 Wey
11 398 B. Metcalfe
12 379 T. Hahn
13 348 J. Barcia
14 344 D. Millsaps
15 327 E. Tomac

So you can see Tommy Hahn and Justin Barcia have just missed out on getting a permanent # the last two seasons.
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Trip wrote:
Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number.. Some are bitch at... the renaming of jumps on tracks...
Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number..

Some are bitch at...
the renaming of jumps on tracks
about four stroke
about noise
about numbers

Kinda pointless to me. I don't hear any riders complaining about numbers, just some Ineternet message board guys.
you dont think Reed did a little complaining to make 22 a career number? Do you think Carmichael did a little complaining to make 4 a career number. How about Stewart to get 259/7 a career number? Or how about Millsaps complaining to get 118 from Grosser (I think it was grosser???). Just because you didnt hear it didnt mean it didnt happen
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Trip wrote:
Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number.. Some are bitch at... the renaming of jumps on tracks...
Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number..

Some are bitch at...
the renaming of jumps on tracks
about four stroke
about noise
about numbers

Kinda pointless to me. I don't hear any riders complaining about numbers, just some Ineternet message board guys.
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you dont think Reed did a little complaining to make 22 a career number? Do you think Carmichael did a little complaining to make 4 a...
you dont think Reed did a little complaining to make 22 a career number? Do you think Carmichael did a little complaining to make 4 a career number. How about Stewart to get 259/7 a career number? Or how about Millsaps complaining to get 118 from Grosser (I think it was grosser???). Just because you didnt hear it didnt mean it didnt happen
Thats what I'm saying, let everyone pick a career number.. If your out of the top twenty for two years in a row, you have to give up your career number. Those with more points at the end of the year pick first. 450 guys then 250 guys.. Remember 250 is suppose to be a support class..
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Rizzo 9/17/2010 5:56pm
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I believe Hahn earned a permanent number. If I'm not mistaken, the top ten in points that already have a permanent number could also move up or choose a different one that is or has become available. Short, Windham and Wey, even Pourcel(chose 377 last year) could pick new ones if they wanted something else. I think 11, 13 and 25 are available now as far as low 2 digit numbers go along with a few from 20-30. This is not 100% accurate though.
dirtbikemike 9/17/2010 6:16pm
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i thought we were told that a two moto format was too difficult for non-moto people to understand. just get jeff emig to explain the number system. it's all about branding riders.....hah. so they can sell their brand. where? they can't sell it. maybe through a contract with a sponsor they'll get a little piece. doesn't the best rider wear # 1? oh, not in this sport, not anymore. i know it's better now, i keep hearing that, over and over. i just don't feel it. this is worse than trying to figure out 40 love.
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JB 19 9/17/2010 6:23pm
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I think its gay to not run the #1 plate....................thats all I have to say about #'s.
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MXerDW 9/17/2010 7:18pm
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JB 19 wrote:
I think its gay to not run the #1 plate....................thats all I have to say about #'s.
If you paid attention this year, you would have seen the riders that earned #1 last year had to run them this year.

2010
Stewart ran #1 in SX
Reed ran #1 in 450MX
Dungey would've been #1 in the 250MX, but he moved up to the 450's this year.

2011
Dungey will be running the #1 plate all next season indoors and outdoors.
Canard in moving up so there will NOT be a #1 plate in 250MX again.
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MXerDW 9/17/2010 7:44pm
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Rizzo wrote:
I believe Hahn earned a permanent number. If I'm not mistaken, the top ten in points that already have a permanent number could also move up...
I believe Hahn earned a permanent number. If I'm not mistaken, the top ten in points that already have a permanent number could also move up or choose a different one that is or has become available. Short, Windham and Wey, even Pourcel(chose 377 last year) could pick new ones if they wanted something else. I think 11, 13 and 25 are available now as far as low 2 digit numbers go along with a few from 20-30. This is not 100% accurate though.
#10, #12, #17, #19, #20, #21, #23, #25, #28, will all be available #'s to pick from for 2011.
#11 was or is Travis Preston's #, but I believe it will become available in 2011.
#15 is Ferry's for one more season, I believe.
And Heath Voss earned 16 SX points so #13 belongs to him.


Tommy Hahn has not earned a permanent # yet.

2010 AMA National Motocross/Supercross Competition Numbers
* Career numbers
** New career numbers for 2010
*2: Ryan Villopoto
*3: Mike Brown
**5: Ryan Dungey (No. 1, Motocross 250 and Supercross Lites West)
*7: James Stewart (No. 1, Supercross)
*8: Grant Langston
*9: Ivan Tedesco
10: Thomas Hahn
*11: Travis Preston
12: Jake Weimer
*13: Heath Voss
*14: Kevin Windham
*15: Timmy Ferry
*16: John Dowd
17: Justin Barcia
*18: David Millsaps
19: Tommy Searle
20: Broc Tickle
21: Blake Wharton
*22: Chad Reed (No. 1, Motocross 450)
23: Justin Brayton
*24: Brett Metcalfe
*25: Nathan Ramsey
*26: Michael Byrne
*27: Nicholas Wey
28: Tyla Rattray
*29: Andrew Short
30: Cody Cooper
31: Matthew Lemoine
32: Kyle Cunningham
**33: Josh Grant
34: James Albertson
35: Matthew Goerke
36: Darryn Durham
37: Tyler Bowers
38: Trey Canard
39: Ricky Dietrich
40: Jake Moss
41: Kyle Regal
42: Ben Evans
43: Steven Clarke
44: PJ Larsen
45: Austin Stroupe
46: Ryan Sipes
47: Matt Boni
48: Max Anstie
49: William Hahn
50: Alex Martin
51: Paul Carpenter
52: Antonio Balbi
53: Jeff Alessi
54: Jason Lawrence
55: Kyle Chisholm
56: Ben Coisy
57: Jarred Browne
58: Weston Peick
59: Daniel Reardon
*60: Broc Hepler
61: Vince Freise
62: Jason Thomas
63: Sean Borkenhagen
64: Taylor Futrell
65: Troy Adams
66: Blake Baggett
67: Chris Blose
68: Robert Kiniry
69: Adam Chatfield
70: Robby Marshall
71: Kyle Summers
72: Christian Craig
73: Ben Lamay
74: Tucker Hibbert
*75: Josh Hill
76: Martin Davalos
77: Charles J Summey
78: Gavin Gracyk
79: Justin Sipes
80: Billy Laninovich
81: Cole Siebler
82: Jesse Casillas
83: Steve Boniface
84: Michael Hall
85: Scott Champion
86: Bobby Bonds
87: Les Smith
88: Ricky Renner
89: Jacob Marsack
90: Willy Browning
91: Jase Lewis
92: Michael Willard
93: Justin McDonald
94: Ryan Morais
95: Lucas Crespi
96: Josh Hansen
97: Robert Fitch
98: Roberto Castro
99: Topher Ingalls
**377: Christophe Pourcel (No. 1, Supercross Lites East)
*800: Mike Alessi
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Rizzo wrote:
I believe Hahn earned a permanent number. If I'm not mistaken, the top ten in points that already have a permanent number could also move up...
I believe Hahn earned a permanent number. If I'm not mistaken, the top ten in points that already have a permanent number could also move up or choose a different one that is or has become available. Short, Windham and Wey, even Pourcel(chose 377 last year) could pick new ones if they wanted something else. I think 11, 13 and 25 are available now as far as low 2 digit numbers go along with a few from 20-30. This is not 100% accurate though.
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#10, #12, #17, #19, #20, #21, #23, #25, #28, will all be available #'s to pick from for 2011. #11 was or is Travis Preston's #...
#10, #12, #17, #19, #20, #21, #23, #25, #28, will all be available #'s to pick from for 2011.
#11 was or is Travis Preston's #, but I believe it will become available in 2011.
#15 is Ferry's for one more season, I believe.
And Heath Voss earned 16 SX points so #13 belongs to him.


Tommy Hahn has not earned a permanent # yet.

2010 AMA National Motocross/Supercross Competition Numbers
* Career numbers
** New career numbers for 2010
*2: Ryan Villopoto
*3: Mike Brown
**5: Ryan Dungey (No. 1, Motocross 250 and Supercross Lites West)
*7: James Stewart (No. 1, Supercross)
*8: Grant Langston
*9: Ivan Tedesco
10: Thomas Hahn
*11: Travis Preston
12: Jake Weimer
*13: Heath Voss
*14: Kevin Windham
*15: Timmy Ferry
*16: John Dowd
17: Justin Barcia
*18: David Millsaps
19: Tommy Searle
20: Broc Tickle
21: Blake Wharton
*22: Chad Reed (No. 1, Motocross 450)
23: Justin Brayton
*24: Brett Metcalfe
*25: Nathan Ramsey
*26: Michael Byrne
*27: Nicholas Wey
28: Tyla Rattray
*29: Andrew Short
30: Cody Cooper
31: Matthew Lemoine
32: Kyle Cunningham
**33: Josh Grant
34: James Albertson
35: Matthew Goerke
36: Darryn Durham
37: Tyler Bowers
38: Trey Canard
39: Ricky Dietrich
40: Jake Moss
41: Kyle Regal
42: Ben Evans
43: Steven Clarke
44: PJ Larsen
45: Austin Stroupe
46: Ryan Sipes
47: Matt Boni
48: Max Anstie
49: William Hahn
50: Alex Martin
51: Paul Carpenter
52: Antonio Balbi
53: Jeff Alessi
54: Jason Lawrence
55: Kyle Chisholm
56: Ben Coisy
57: Jarred Browne
58: Weston Peick
59: Daniel Reardon
*60: Broc Hepler
61: Vince Freise
62: Jason Thomas
63: Sean Borkenhagen
64: Taylor Futrell
65: Troy Adams
66: Blake Baggett
67: Chris Blose
68: Robert Kiniry
69: Adam Chatfield
70: Robby Marshall
71: Kyle Summers
72: Christian Craig
73: Ben Lamay
74: Tucker Hibbert
*75: Josh Hill
76: Martin Davalos
77: Charles J Summey
78: Gavin Gracyk
79: Justin Sipes
80: Billy Laninovich
81: Cole Siebler
82: Jesse Casillas
83: Steve Boniface
84: Michael Hall
85: Scott Champion
86: Bobby Bonds
87: Les Smith
88: Ricky Renner
89: Jacob Marsack
90: Willy Browning
91: Jase Lewis
92: Michael Willard
93: Justin McDonald
94: Ryan Morais
95: Lucas Crespi
96: Josh Hansen
97: Robert Fitch
98: Roberto Castro
99: Topher Ingalls
**377: Christophe Pourcel (No. 1, Supercross Lites East)
*800: Mike Alessi
Question, since Hahn earned points, can't he keep 10 another year?? Same for Weimer, Barcia, Brayton etc? Or does the "at least 1 point earned" thing only apply once you've earned a permanent number? I knew 11 Preston was up, but the rest.........to confusing.

Can the top 10 move up if they want an available number? So could Windham take 10 if he wanted and Wey take 14 if Windham moved up and Short/Pourcel opted to stay put? See why people get confused.

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MXerDW 9/17/2010 9:11pm
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No Hahn, Weimer and Barcia can not just keep their #'s for next season.

T. Hahn will get the lowest available # after Rattray, Chisholm, Brayton, and Wilson pick their permenent #'s. So if none of those four riders take #10, Tommy could very well end up #10 again.

It all depends on what #'s Rattray, Chisholm, Brayton, and Wilson take.
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JB 19 9/17/2010 9:51pm
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JB 19 wrote:
I think its gay to not run the #1 plate....................thats all I have to say about #'s.
MXerDW wrote:
If you paid attention this year, you would have seen the riders that earned #1 last year had to run them this year. 2010 Stewart ran...
If you paid attention this year, you would have seen the riders that earned #1 last year had to run them this year.

2010
Stewart ran #1 in SX
Reed ran #1 in 450MX
Dungey would've been #1 in the 250MX, but he moved up to the 450's this year.

2011
Dungey will be running the #1 plate all next season indoors and outdoors.
Canard in moving up so there will NOT be a #1 plate in 250MX again.
Well, I did pay attention..........watched every race as a matter a fact. Noticed James ran the 1 plate........I knew that MX Sports was requiring the champion to run #1 outdoors......didn't realize the AMA was requiring it in SX as well.

............I assumed it was James' decision.

The OP was not current on all the numbering rules either and he seems pretty knowledgeable about the sport.
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flarider wrote:
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why. Not even win a championship and get a...
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why.

Not even win a championship and get a low permanent number?
Not even win a moto and get a low permanent number?

Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it
Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it

Riders get numbers, they put them on their bikes (and some even on their jerseys) so that the official race scorers can see who it is. Although with the use of transponders now in pro racing that system is possibly redundant.

Some people seem to be of the opinion that a lower number makes you a faster rider, and that only slow riders use high numbers. It's also been said that a high number can hurt your chances of a better ride because team managers, when scouting for talent, only look for riders with low numbers rather than the riders that are running near the front consistently.

That's why Pourcel has had such a hard time winning a championship, because he's running #377. It was obvious that Dungey #10 and Canard #38 were probably going to beat him for the MX championship.

If you notice James Stewart didn't win much in his first few years on the big bikes because he was running #259; since he changed to #7 he's won a few more championships.

Reed's titles have been flukes because #22 isn't really that good a number.

RC won heaps because #4 is a great number, there are only 3 numbers better than #4.
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FIREfish148 9/17/2010 11:02pm
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would be cool to see #80 back out there sometime.
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All I can say is that Mike Brown should never have a number lower than Carmichael.
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flarider wrote:
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why. Not even win a championship and get a...
I heard there are riders who will be getting permanent numbers this year, and I don't understand why.

Not even win a championship and get a low permanent number?
Not even win a moto and get a low permanent number?

Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it
ando wrote:
Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it Riders get numbers, they put them on their bikes (and some even on...
Can anyone clearly explain the number system, because I no longer understand it

Riders get numbers, they put them on their bikes (and some even on their jerseys) so that the official race scorers can see who it is. Although with the use of transponders now in pro racing that system is possibly redundant.

Some people seem to be of the opinion that a lower number makes you a faster rider, and that only slow riders use high numbers. It's also been said that a high number can hurt your chances of a better ride because team managers, when scouting for talent, only look for riders with low numbers rather than the riders that are running near the front consistently.

That's why Pourcel has had such a hard time winning a championship, because he's running #377. It was obvious that Dungey #10 and Canard #38 were probably going to beat him for the MX championship.

If you notice James Stewart didn't win much in his first few years on the big bikes because he was running #259; since he changed to #7 he's won a few more championships.

Reed's titles have been flukes because #22 isn't really that good a number.

RC won heaps because #4 is a great number, there are only 3 numbers better than #4.
I think you have finally figured out the secret formula for winning motorcycle championships!!!!

Monster Energy should jump on this opportunity and just trademark the number "1", and then they can just sign up to win every championship for AMA competition..... Why did none of us think of this sooner???

Monster Energy- I give notice that I thought of this idea first (clearly my paragraph above demonstrates this FACT). So if you try to trademark the number "1" including trying to be tricky and spelling the number "ONE"- I own your ass.
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I have a theory (that I just thought of) that permanent numbers have spawned supercross only contracts. You think Stewart would choose to do supercross only if the old number system was in place? He definitely wouldn't be able to hold on to a top 10 number if he didn't have that permanent number.
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paul937 9/19/2010 8:15pm
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Guys I know it’s confusing but don’t over think it. MXerDW has a spot on explanation of how it works. In a nut shell (again) the only classes that count towards #’s are 450 SX, 450 MX, and 250 MX (which by the way is not a support class outdoors, that’s why the 250 SX points don’t count and the MX points do). Take ALL those points, throw them together and there you have it. If you win a championship (in one of those 3 classes only, again NOT 250 SX) you earn the right to a permanent SINGLE digit. If you finish top ten overall combined (once again, combined points total from those 3 classes, NOT just top ten in your series – I think that’s where a lot of the confusion starts) then you earn the right to choose a permanent # that can be basically anything BUT a single digit. I think where people also get confused it that everyone assumes that the #’s 10-20 are reserved for permanent # guys and that just isn’t the case. Alessi, Lawrence and Pourcel are a few examples of guys who choose a three digit for their permanent (Hepler #60 Hill #75 and Grant #33 are more examples of permanent guys with out a top 20 #). As Dwayne mentioned, once the “new” permanent guys choose their #’s (I.E. Rattray, Chisholm, Brayton Wilson) the “best of the rest” who DID NOT finish top ten overall (I.E. Hahn, Barcia, Tomac and so on down the list) will jump up and fill in the blanks. For example, if the new permanent # guys choose like this - #10 Rattray, #15 Chisholm (I think he wants to keep the #15 in Florida), #23 Brayton (bad example because he already told me that he wouldn’t keep #23 and would like to jump up to a good lower #, but the reason I use this example is that is exactly what Josh Grant did last year – he earned #33 in 2009, then when he earned the right to a permanent # for 2010 he just decided to keep #33. Short did the same thing a few years before with #29) and #12 Wilson (just for the sake of argument), then that would leave #11, 17, 19, 20, 21, (22 is obviously Reed), and so on open. That would mean that Hahn would be #11 (but not permanent, just like #10 wasn’t permanent this year), #17 Barcia (ironically and in my opinion that could very well happen, which would confuse people even more lol), Tomac #19, and so on down the list obviously jumping over the #’s 22, 24, 26, 27, 29, 33, etc. along the way because those are occupied by previous top ten guys (or in Reed’s case national champ – just like Canard he didn’t HAVE to take a single digit – should be interesting to see if Trey takes #41 or #6, but “bet the farm on it being one of those two Wink ).

Ok, that wasn’t quite “in a nut shell” and the rule is indeed a tad confusing, but at the same time it really isn't.

Paul

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paul937 9/19/2010 8:24pm
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Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number.. Some are bitch at... the renaming of jumps on tracks...
Scratch the whole number system and let guys pick their own numbers. It's just a number..

Some are bitch at...
the renaming of jumps on tracks
about four stroke
about noise
about numbers

Kinda pointless to me. I don't hear any riders complaining about numbers, just some Ineternet message board guys.
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you dont think Reed did a little complaining to make 22 a career number? Do you think Carmichael did a little complaining to make 4 a...
you dont think Reed did a little complaining to make 22 a career number? Do you think Carmichael did a little complaining to make 4 a career number. How about Stewart to get 259/7 a career number? Or how about Millsaps complaining to get 118 from Grosser (I think it was grosser???). Just because you didnt hear it didnt mean it didnt happen
Uhhhhhh yeah........those things actually never happened. All of those guys you mentioned took the #'s that they took legit. Not one of them had to complain to get those #’s. The only thing you are close on is Davi and Jamie, he did talk him out of the #118 for a while but has since earned permanent #18 (with no complaining Wink ).

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FlickitFlat 9/19/2010 8:27pm
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It used to be cool to see a rider and immediately know how they did the year before. It gave more reason to cheer for a privateer running in the top 15 knowing with his #85 he was progressing and moving forward with his career. That will make you clap your hands every time.
These days, its a crap shoot to know if a privateer is bettering himself or putting in one of the best rides he ever has. Its amazing in this day of more information that we go to the races and have virtually no information.
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mxjef 9/19/2010 8:28pm
9/19/2010 8:28pm
Dumb rule.
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paul937 9/19/2010 8:41pm
9/19/2010 8:41pm
FlickitFlat wrote:
It used to be cool to see a rider and immediately know how they did the year before. It gave more reason to cheer for a...
It used to be cool to see a rider and immediately know how they did the year before. It gave more reason to cheer for a privateer running in the top 15 knowing with his #85 he was progressing and moving forward with his career. That will make you clap your hands every time.
These days, its a crap shoot to know if a privateer is bettering himself or putting in one of the best rides he ever has. Its amazing in this day of more information that we go to the races and have virtually no information.
I actually can’t say that I disagree with you on that. Now that it’s been in place for a while, I actually do like the # system just the way it is (it helps that I understand it though and not many people do lol). But I definitely miss seeing the low digit guys running what they earned and like you said, seeing who did what from the previous year. One thing is for sure: Short would have a ton more respect right now if it were the old system because he would have been running a lot of #2’s, 3’s and 4’s the past 5 years Wink

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