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I’m saying”if it was a job.....these are the things that would identify it as a job”
My only point is “it’s not a job and as such the demands that are put on an individual are limited”
Like say after a race you have to show up for the press briefing.....does it stop there or does it then grow to, “hey you have to go there and do this also!”?
That’s all!
Personally I don’t think the riders do enough to promote their own sport but because there is this adversarial aspect to the industry as in riders say “I don’t work for you”.....promoters say “yes you do”, “no I don’t”, “yes you do, “no I don’t”.....it leads to a “I don’t really want to be here but they are making me so I guess I will sit up here and pass gas for 15 minutes just so they can’t say I didn’t do it!“, kind of display for the media after the races.
Since you mentioned that press day was “extra practice”, do you think that it’s fair to withhold this advantage from some riders who don’t necessarily agree that they are actually compensated for marketing activities during this time? Is press day open to every rider entered for an event so that all participants have an equal opportunity to practice on the same basic layout of the track that they will be competing on?
And again, since this is admittedly extra practice, how can a sanctioning body justify taking that opportunity away from a competitor based on, at best, vague subjective reasons?
Not having a dig, just curious as to why that was added.
Second, when you ask someone to come to town early to help out with press, you're asking them to give up a day of practice/training back home to be there early to help out with local media. So we talked with the teams and riders and they said if they were given a chance to ride some Thursday or Friday, that would help a lot. So we do it, and it works well. Except on Vital.
The track is not prepped the way it is for the national. In fact, they usually stop the amateur races to let the pros ride for 40 minutes. It's a chance for them to ride and stretch out and do what they missed at home by coming in a day early. Maybe "practice" was the wrong word. "Riding" in from of local TV cameras and photographers, but on the same track (though not same conditions) they will see in the race.
It's also available at one point or another to all privateers. We give every rider the chance to do at least
one, though we do try to get local guys to do their own local nationals. The media wants to hear from them as much as Eli or Kenny or Cooper or anyone.
This has been the process for both SX and MX for years now. Now it's an issue, because?
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Is there a part about this simple requirement that is the wrong direction?
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A step in the right direction for sure, thanks for the reply!
Since we all know the Pros hang out here, how about you guys chime in on this subject? Let everyone know how much you love these things and feel like you are adequately compensated for the privilege to throw down at least 1 time during the year at 1 track!
“When you’re asking them to help”
You see you’re not asking them, you’re demanding that they participate, it’s in the “rules” to participate in this sporting event that they aren’t compensated for, actually they are paying themselves to participate, it’s kinda funny, I don’t pay for the opportunity to show up at my “Job” for the opportunity to possibly make nothing that day.
Big difference!
That said, how ya been?
Well I hope
Knowing he will have to be in here the next day defending it to some morans
I like it
I do agree smaller displacements for 4 strokes would help make the sport safer (and probably more fun as evidenced by the resurgence of the 125 class), but no way is a manufacturer going to be forced to retool because of a change in 4 stroke displacement rules.
Therefore, changing the 2 stroke displacement rules are probably the most feasible. It should be allowed for a privateer to race a competitive 2 stoke with the for strokes. The current rules are not fair and equal displacement is not fair either. Any 2 stroke up to 300cc should be allowed to race the 450 class and any 2 stroke up to 167cc should be allowed to race the 125 class. That is fair, would make racing more exciting, encourages more participation in mx racing. Since it is a rider or team choice what they decide to ride, any criticism of by the big manufacturers about such a rule (since they themselves can still race what they want), I would consider utterly dishonest.
If we cant make this happen then we need something akin to "separation of church and state" to happen with the racing associations. Otherwise we just consider the racing associations nothing more than mere puppets of the big manufacturers.
Yeah man I’m doing good! Got my PPP money, the heart is still ticking and I got to ride all day Friday, so for sure I can’t complain!
4 strokes sell more than 2 strokes. , that’s why 3 major manufacturers don’t bother making 2 strokes anymore
Basically, aside from KTM, the Yamaha 2 strokes left haven't been updated in 15 years. There are no more Kawasaki, Suzuki or Honda 2 strokes to even buy, so what the heck do you expect.
And before you try to site just KTM sales stats, remember that that competition among 2 stroke brands is not as intense as the 4 models.
The fact that there have been so many rumor threads on this site talking about Suzuki or Honda coming back with a 2 stroke over the years, as well as people resurrecting 20 year old 2 stoke bikes to ride as their main bike, gives testament to the pent up demand for 2 strokes.
I have both 4 strokes and 2 strokes and like many, I find my 2 strokes so much more fun to ride.
https://www.fcai.com.au/news/index/view/news/601
no full size mx 2 stroke makes the top 10 list of mx bikes sold,
Even KTM sell more four strokes than they do 2 stroke mx bikes, (in full size bikes)
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The reason that this could be a potential issue now is because this hasn’t been the process for years now. If it had been, there would be no reason for a rule change. The fines and penalties are a pretty big change to the status quo.
And yes, even the guy who doesn't make every main has to pay dues. It is this way in every Union/Guild.
Everything is done for the manufacturers it seems. If they infuse so much money in the sport that without it the whole thing will collapse then why not just have them go in whole hog and provide free admission to all the races? They’ll get more spectators through the gate which could translate into more sales for them.
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