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Yea those European companies have always been all for letting a couple Americans run wild with their money.
I always figure with all the contributions from these great minds, the good will rise to the top before a bench clearing brawl breaks out.
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DMXS: Had Mike won the title, would he have stayed at Suzuki?
Roger DeCoster: Mike is a good rider and he’s a good racer, especially outdoor but we could never get him to follow our advice. They wanted to do things their way, they thought that they could do better. After trying for two years to have him work our way, it wasn’t getting any better and championship or not, champion or not, we wouldn’t have had him.
Then again, I think you like to post just for the hell of it. You've already been responding to damn near every post in the thread, explaining things that don't need to be explained.
Bottom line is that DeCoster didn't like how AAAs handled their business. Its funny because some of you ask for the proof, here is the proof, and now DeCoster is the ass in your eyes because he has confirmed that which has been being said all of this time.
I try to stay out of threads like this one, but I usually end up reading them at least. Matthes is the man ,btw. You should all buy him a buffet.
wtf?
What would you expect RDC to say on behalf of Suzuki?
Yea if he wouldn't have gotten hurt and won the title we would have re-signed him.
1st. Things are always what they appear to be. Especially in this industry.
2nd. Sometimes people just have to do what they feel is right for them. Even when others disagree.
Not that it really matters but I believe that Mike has won many more than 10 am titles. With that said, what the five time World Champ thinks may not be good for everyone.
In fact, I can think of a couple blatant lies dished out by the Alessi camp, I challenge you to find some dirt on DeCoster...an example of him knowingly being deceitful.
A couple examples are when Bob Kiniry was on the MotoXXX team, Alessi started a rumor about them running cheater bikes...he even talked about it in their Alessi weekly. I think it was Unadilla that year that they got torn down only to find that the bikes were in spec and it was obviously made up.
Secondly they issued a statement in Alessi weekly about Mikes bike getting stuck in Tedescos. Video proved this was obviously a lie.
I've grown like Mike since the Tedesco incident (Pretty much hated him for a while after that.) Some of you just refuse to see....
Just say it, man. Just say that you will take the golden word of Alessi over anyone else in the sport, regardless...thats all that you need to say.
I'd also speculate that Roger D. had some advice about how to approach the racing, training and few other things. All of which wasn't in line with their program.
I don't know what went on between RDC and the Alessi's. You on the other hand don't seem to understand that RDC has to wear a corprate hat when he makes comments about things like this.
As far as the "Golden Word"?
There is no such thing in this sport. Even when it comes out of "The Man's" mouth. Same goes for the Alessi's.
To sum this thing up so that you can better understand it. Roger is doing his job and the Alessi's are doing what they feel is in the best interest of Mikes career. Neither is bad and neither is wrong.
Two sides to every story and the truth usually lies somewhere between the two stories...
RD being the man is way over rated in my opinion. How long was RD at Suzuki before they won a championship??? If he is "The Man" and is all knowing why did it take RC signing with them to put Suzuki back on the map??? No doubt RD was a great rider, but really, did it take a genius to hire RC or Reed?
Decoster offered his advice and they said "No thank you". To dramatize the situation with histrionics by implying that Tony has made Mike his slave is just silly stuff. Mike flat out answered the DMXS guys (Without hesitation) that he doesn't view his father as a detriment to his career.
Leave the theatrics and hyperbole to the "voice of God" SX announcer.
I really don't understand what the big deal is.
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Wonder why? Because it's just spiteful, fictional gobbledygook created by bored message boarders in between races.
Nerd wrote: That's one potential answer.
Grendel wrote: Funny, I always hear about these "whispers" and horror stories from the supposedly monstrous and controlling Tony, yet there are never any details.
Wonder why? Because it's just spiteful, fictional gobbledygook created by bored message boarders in between races.
Nerd wrote: That's one potential answer.
the_wood109 wrote: The article is based on whispers (rumors.)
One thing to consider, however, is that teams don't go around looking for people to hate on. The fact that numerous rides have ended up with the same bitter result says something. I don't think the speculation is extremely far off. There is certainly enough evidence there that "fictional" can be ruled out.
So its gone from everything being fictional, to only parts. This is pretty much what I've said before. I know there are two parts to the story, but at least you are beginning to realize that these things don't just surface out of thin air.
Okay, I'm done now.
I sincerely doubt either Mike or Tony would say that Roger isn't synonymous with motocross.
Thats basically what I took from the RDC excerpt......
Point is that sometimes people have to do what they feel is good for them and not others.
Doesn't made Mike and Tony demons.
Okay then!
Punctuation and proper sentence structure exist for a reason.
But nooooooooo. NEWER ADMIT YOU WHERE WRONG PEOPLE, YOU WILL DIE!
Rober D has 5 world titles, manage to spit out champions Zook newer managed before, also are the brain behind all those MXDN wins. If he says jump, you jump. Seems like MA totally fucked his chance with Roger. If this dysfunctional team of him and his dad doesn’t separate one could easily suggest it will newer happen for MA…
Maybe dad needs something else to do/focus on?
So many experts here on vital.
I think RMZ819 has it nailed. Alessi has not lived up to the expectations. Hopefully he can go to Europe and his dad stays out of the picture
I don't think you need to be an expert to see something is wrong or the connection.
But, this debate has been going on for ages. I thin MA by now knows many believe his Dad is holding him back both mentally and professionally. Message send, and received!
Maybe we need to carry on...
Argue all day, but, the results don't lie. IMHO, of course.
Was RV not really in control of the series because Stewart didn't race?
Was Mike not really winning the series because RV was hurt?
Did Reed not win the title because Stewart didn't ride, RV and Mike were hurt?
Get a clue bud. You so called "core" guys want to worship old moto stars but Mike and Tony want to be in charge of their own destiny and that doesn't make them stupid or evil. It just means that they chose to take a different path. They will either succeed or things won’t work out as planned, but in either case they have already proven themselves to be a very successful program.
It's really not all that complicated.
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