Should we bring back the “first American” award?

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8/14/2021 7:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2021 4:48pm
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
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We should bring back the first two stroke award
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Absolutely. But he has to be on an American made bike . . .
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KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
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KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
Makes as much sense as asking me to post the Trans-Am results from 1972-1977

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KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
Last non American to win SX was Chad right?
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8/14/2021 8:03pm
KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
I don't care where the rider is from.

Personally, I'm rooting for Max Anstie and Chase Sexton every week (also, include AC in there when he comes back).

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Europe's best don't race here anymore.
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8/14/2021 8:06pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2021 6:43am
KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
I don't care where the rider is from. Personally, I'm rooting for Max Anstie and Chase Sexton every week (also, include AC in there when he...
I don't care where the rider is from.

Personally, I'm rooting for Max Anstie and Chase Sexton every week (also, include AC in there when he comes back).

I enjoy seeing a all Euro podium. It may encourage more Euros to give it a go in America and how awesome would that be to have every top rider in the World in one series
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mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.
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KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
KennyT wrote:
Makes as much sense as asking me to post the Trans-Am results from 1972-1977
Your post makes no sense,. You pointed out wins . I pointed out titles. Which are more important. Tomac, webb, osbourne. Have better resumes than. The top 3 today at dilla.
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mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
KennyT wrote:
Makes as much sense as asking me to post the Trans-Am results from 1972-1977
mxb2 wrote:
Your post makes no sense,. You pointed out wins . I pointed out titles. Which are more important. Tomac, webb, osbourne. Have better resumes than. The...
Your post makes no sense,. You pointed out wins . I pointed out titles. Which are more important. Tomac, webb, osbourne. Have better resumes than. The top 3 today at dilla.
It makes sense if you were around moto n the 70’s. Each Trans AMA race gave $$$ to the first American for the days race. Today it would have gone to the 4th place finisher, very similar to what it was in the early-mid 70’s
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KennyT wrote:
Makes as much sense as asking me to post the Trans-Am results from 1972-1977
mxb2 wrote:
Your post makes no sense,. You pointed out wins . I pointed out titles. Which are more important. Tomac, webb, osbourne. Have better resumes than. The...
Your post makes no sense,. You pointed out wins . I pointed out titles. Which are more important. Tomac, webb, osbourne. Have better resumes than. The top 3 today at dilla.
KennyT wrote:
It makes sense if you were around moto n the 70’s. Each Trans AMA race gave $$$ to the first American for the days race. Today...
It makes sense if you were around moto n the 70’s. Each Trans AMA race gave $$$ to the first American for the days race. Today it would have gone to the 4th place finisher, very similar to what it was in the early-mid 70’s
Ok.
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CPR wrote:
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.

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8/14/2021 9:33pm
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
CPR wrote:
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
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mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
CPR wrote:
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
😂😂😂i was wondering wtf would happen if you took Tomac out of those results….now we know 👍
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mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
CPR wrote:
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
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CPR wrote:
Take Tomac out of those results and it wouldn’t look good for the Americans.
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
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8/15/2021 4:57am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2021 4:57am
I believe Plessinger is going to really put it all together at the MXdN this year, if selected. Did they introduce the team and I missed it
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8/15/2021 4:57am
KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
How you know when you’ve touched a nerve!😂🤣😂

Sensitive Sally!
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8/15/2021 5:36am
I believe Plessinger is going to really put it all together at the MXdN this year, if selected. Did they introduce the team and I missed...
I believe Plessinger is going to really put it all together at the MXdN this year, if selected. Did they introduce the team and I missed it
Everything points to no Star riders going. Ferrandis not being on Team France surely means no AP for the USA
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KennyT wrote:
Today it goes to Eli in 4th place. This series brings back memories of the 70’s Trans am series
mxb2 wrote:
Post the last 5 years of title winners sx,mx.
How you know when you’ve touched a nerve!😂🤣😂

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Nope. I like facts, guess people remember what they want. Guess they forget webb, osbourne titles also. Kroc has more to lose than any top guy, zero titles for hrc, took off the outdoors, no sx title for his effort .hmmmmm .
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If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat chads ass. Just like Eli has beat some ass since 2013.

Ken and Marv have been really good since they came over here, but you can’t just take Eli out of the equation. It’s stupid.
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CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat...
That’s like saying “take RC out of the results from 03-06and Chad has way more titles” no shit. But guess what? He was there and beat chads ass. Just like Eli has beat some ass since 2013.

Ken and Marv have been really good since they came over here, but you can’t just take Eli out of the equation. It’s stupid.
Well said, dont post common sense on here.
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8/15/2021 7:44am
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the logic but we can do the same to skew results many ways. For example if you remove Roczen from the results no non-American has won a premier class title in the US in over ten years.
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While we’re at it, let’s take James, McGrath, RV, Dunge, Stanton out of the results. Soooo many foreigner titles!
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8/15/2021 8:00am Edited Date/Time 8/15/2021 9:56am
If you took Tomac out of those results, it would be Chase Sexton 4th, Cooper Webb 5th, and Christian Craig 6th.
CPR wrote:
Umm the question was the last 5 years of championship results, not today…….
CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.


By that logic, if you took all the teams that finished ahead of the U.S.A. at the MXdN out, Team U.S.A. would have a huge winning streak.
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CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
I’m sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? This is basically a “If my Auntie had nuts she’s be my uncle” type of argument but I can’t even make sense of where you are getting this dribble.

450 SX Champions:

2020: Eli Tomac (2nd place: Cooper Webb)
2019: Cooper Webb
2018: Jason Anderson
2017: Ryan Dungey
2016: Ryan Dungey

So far we are at 5 US champions, 0 Euro Champions, even if you “remove Tomac”.

450 MX Champions:

2020: Zach Osbourne
2019: Eli Tomac (2nd: Ken Roczen)
2018: Eli Tomac (2nd: Marvin Musquin)
2017: Eli Tomac (2nd: Marvin Musquin)
2016: Ken Roczen

So if we tally up one of the dumbest hypothetical situations I’ve read on here where Tomac doesn’t exist, the standings would be:

USA: 6 (none of which are from Eli)
Euros: 4 (2 from Musquin, 2 from Roczen)

Now in the real world:

USA: 9 (Tomac making up 4 of those)
Euros: 1 (Ken Roczen)

If you want to make some weird convoluted scenario that paints the US in a bad light, at least try to have it make sense.
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So many guys would have titles if no one finished ahead of them.
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CPR wrote:
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020...
For those who seem to have an issue with comprehension; if you take Tomac out of the last 5 years of SX & MX titles 2016-2020:
It’s Euros 7 USA 3
Tomac’s been your saviour.
aeffertz wrote:
I’m sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? This is basically a “If my Auntie had nuts she’s be my uncle” type of argument...
I’m sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? This is basically a “If my Auntie had nuts she’s be my uncle” type of argument but I can’t even make sense of where you are getting this dribble.

450 SX Champions:

2020: Eli Tomac (2nd place: Cooper Webb)
2019: Cooper Webb
2018: Jason Anderson
2017: Ryan Dungey
2016: Ryan Dungey

So far we are at 5 US champions, 0 Euro Champions, even if you “remove Tomac”.

450 MX Champions:

2020: Zach Osbourne
2019: Eli Tomac (2nd: Ken Roczen)
2018: Eli Tomac (2nd: Marvin Musquin)
2017: Eli Tomac (2nd: Marvin Musquin)
2016: Ken Roczen

So if we tally up one of the dumbest hypothetical situations I’ve read on here where Tomac doesn’t exist, the standings would be:

USA: 6 (none of which are from Eli)
Euros: 4 (2 from Musquin, 2 from Roczen)

Now in the real world:

USA: 9 (Tomac making up 4 of those)
Euros: 1 (Ken Roczen)

If you want to make some weird convoluted scenario that paints the US in a bad light, at least try to have it make sense.
Exactly. .

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