Should 300 2-strokes be allowed in the AMA 450 class?

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5/27/2018 9:47 AM

Should 300 2-strokes be allowed in the AMA 450 class?

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5/27/2018 9:48 AM

300cc that is, not 300 entries grin

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5/27/2018 9:51 AM

Shit 250 2 strokes should be allowed in the 250 class. Id allow 500 2 strokes in the 450 class, so absolutely 300s should be allowed in the 65+hp 12,000 rpm traction controlled, adjustable mapping, launch control 450 class.

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5/27/2018 10:17 AM

I think a better alternative would be a 2-stroke Sunday program.
125's only= 2 motos
250,300,500's (open class) =2 motos
Returning the Outdoors to a 2 day event!

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5/27/2018 10:45 AM

If you’re talking for pro outdoor nationals....doesn’t matter. The top guys will be on 450s up front and a couple privateers would be rounding out the back on a 300 2 stroke.

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5/27/2018 10:48 AM

4 strokes are too big, 2 strokes arent too small.
Fuck I get tired of repeating this.

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5/27/2018 11:46 AM

You could allow whatever CC 2 stroke you want....it won’t be getting around as fast as a 450

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5/27/2018 12:31 PM

Add 500 2 strokes and I’m in!

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5/27/2018 12:34 PM

Andy_Greenney wrote:

You could allow whatever CC 2 stroke you want....it won’t be getting around as fast as a 450

And ET would still win on either 2 stoke or 4.

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5/27/2018 12:39 PM

Andy_Greenney wrote:

You could allow whatever CC 2 stroke you want....it won’t be getting around as fast as a 450

exactly why they should obviously be allowed

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5/27/2018 1:09 PM

I would love to see how a factory built 300 would do. I’m sure a 450 would still own it, but didn’t they say RC’s last 250 was making about 62 HP. I probably read that wrong I’ll bet, right?

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5/27/2018 3:45 PM

Open class, run what you brung, it's Merica!

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5/27/2018 3:53 PM

It is long past time for the diversity movement to make its way into moto. There is no one better engine technology. Affirmative motocross action will require at least 10 two strokes and 10 altas to line up at the gate.

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5/27/2018 3:56 PM

I like what Canada did. Run the 2-stroke, but you must always run it in 250s

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5/27/2018 3:59 PM

The 300 is NOT a better bike for motocross. Those who think it is clearly have not had the following explained to them

When you take a 250 designed bottom end and put a larger piston on the rod- it is more moving mass at the end of the stroke. Therefore it takes longer to rev and doesnt rev as high (where the meat of the power is).

Lettem run, sure, but nobody will.

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5/27/2018 4:23 PM

yz133rider wrote:

Shit 250 2 strokes should be allowed in the 250 class. Id allow 500 2 strokes in the 450 class, so absolutely 300s should be allowed in the 65+hp 12,000 rpm traction controlled, adjustable mapping, launch control 450 class.

X2!

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5/27/2018 4:27 PM

^^Jeff is correct a mod 250 is way better than a 300. Hated the one I raced at Glenn Helen a few summers ago.

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5/27/2018 4:32 PM

I do think the 125cc 2 stroke class for moving up from the 85cc class would be great for the "lites" or whatever the hell you want to call it class. That way there is actually separation between the lap times of the 450s and mx2 class and it truly is a big step up to be in the big bike class. Seeing pros ride 125s to the absolute limit is great to watch and it really separates the incredible riders from the average... like James Stewart. That being said its not happening so why do we keep talking about it over and over and over and over and over and over.

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5/27/2018 6:26 PM

slipdog wrote:

^^Jeff is correct a mod 250 is way better than a 300. Hated the one I raced at Glenn Helen a few summers ago.

Agreed, the 300s I've tried on a moto track weren't that appealing. Mike Brown and I were chatting with this after he's raced the 300 at Straight Rhythm and at the two-stroke national...he said mod 250 over 300 all day.

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5/27/2018 11:36 PM

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5/28/2018 2:27 AM

RickyRoss519 wrote:

And ET would still win on either 2 stoke or 4.

And lap up to second place, right?

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5/28/2018 5:33 AM

SwingHard wrote:

I think a better alternative would be a 2-stroke Sunday program.
125's only= 2 motos
250,300,500's (open class) =2 motos
Returning the Outdoors to a 2 day event!

but then who would show up for 4t day?

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5/28/2018 6:01 AM

neverwasfastenuf wrote:

Open class, run what you brung, it's Merica!

I am Ropean and quite agree with this too ! laughing

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5/28/2018 10:05 AM

This is a landslide poll.

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5/28/2018 10:24 AM

I love it. My slow ass on my 250 2 stroke beats all the even slower asses on their 450s almost every week.

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5/28/2018 10:49 AM

125’s should be 144cc. That is all.

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5/28/2018 10:57 AM

RPM68 wrote:

I like what Canada did. Run the 2-stroke, but you must always run it in 250s

Good point and I’ll reitierate the intent of the rule:

If you start the series on the 2 stroke, you have to run it thru the ENTIRE series.

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

5/28/2018 11:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/28/2018 11:46 AM

They could allow a 129472910cc two-stroke and the factory teams would still run 450s. Stop with these stupid threads, the 2-stroke is dead in high level pro racing wether we like it or not.

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5/28/2018 1:08 PM

RPM68 wrote:

I like what Canada did. Run the 2-stroke, but you must always run it in 250s

TeamGreen wrote:

Good point and I’ll reitierate the intent of the rule:

If you start the series on the 2 stroke, you have to run it thru the ENTIRE series.

There would need to be an exception for privateers to switch if a team wanted to put them on the pay roll. Yeah straight 250cc and open. And the needed 125 class.

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5/28/2018 1:47 PM

Forget it the japs would go bananas.....it would not be competitive anyway.

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