Severe Armpump

ktm_34
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Hi Guys

I've had this problem for a couple of years now, I would ride hard for 1 lap (yes 1 lap) and then i can't simply hold on anymore. My arms feel like there's cement in them. I went to a Specialist and asked for some help to which he replied " I'm not doing the right exercises", which is weird because I am fit and go to the gym 3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding.

This is really beginning to frustrate me because of the amount of money I spend on my bike, but I can't even ride for 10min.

I'm 20 years old , I am no slouch to riding , I want to race so bad but it doesn't make sense to go race because I know I wont be able to finish the race, and I'm scared of whiskey throttling of the track and hurting someone else, that's really my worst fear.

I'm not physically tired or anything I simply cant hold on anymore if I go hard for a 1 lap.
Its so f*cking irritating that I cant ride to my full potential Angry

Some details just in case :
I started riding at 7
Broke both my arms . (Left arm twice) (Right arm once)
I am a IT engineer so Im behind the keyboard the whole day ( Don't know if that can be a factor)

I've heard a lot of good things about carpal tunnel surgery thing, should I go for it ?
Any help will be appreciated !
Thanks Guys
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ktm_34
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12/28/2015 1:48am
ktm_34 wrote:
Hi Guys I've had this problem for a couple of years now, I would ride hard for 1 lap (yes 1 lap) and then i can't...
Hi Guys

I've had this problem for a couple of years now, I would ride hard for 1 lap (yes 1 lap) and then i can't simply hold on anymore. My arms feel like there's cement in them. I went to a Specialist and asked for some help to which he replied " I'm not doing the right exercises", which is weird because I am fit and go to the gym 3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding.

This is really beginning to frustrate me because of the amount of money I spend on my bike, but I can't even ride for 10min.

I'm 20 years old , I am no slouch to riding , I want to race so bad but it doesn't make sense to go race because I know I wont be able to finish the race, and I'm scared of whiskey throttling of the track and hurting someone else, that's really my worst fear.

I'm not physically tired or anything I simply cant hold on anymore if I go hard for a 1 lap.
Its so f*cking irritating that I cant ride to my full potential Angry

Some details just in case :
I started riding at 7
Broke both my arms . (Left arm twice) (Right arm once)
I am a IT engineer so Im behind the keyboard the whole day ( Don't know if that can be a factor)

I've heard a lot of good things about carpal tunnel surgery thing, should I go for it ?
Any help will be appreciated !
Thanks Guys
This happens mostly on my right arm with the throttle.
12/28/2015 1:49am
Try to relax, grip with your legs more and work on correcting body positioning and technique. And try and ride more to build bike fitness

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12/28/2015 3:17am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 3:19am
Carpal tunnel syndrome maybe? If riding more doesnt make it go away.


edit: Oh didnt read the last part haha Laughing
12/28/2015 3:19am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 3:20am
Got a video we can see of you riding ? Man 1 lap would make me mad too. Are you white knuckling the handlebars ? Does it only happen when you race?
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12/28/2015 4:09am
aspirin & beer... thins out the blood... just don't crash and cut yourself... oh you're 20? maybe wait till you're 21...
12/28/2015 4:20am
How tall are you?
I'm 6'2" andI had huge problems when I started riding again as an adult, 2 laps is what I managed before I became a danger to myself and others.
Years later I thought I had to try something before I sold my bike. So I bought an adjustable top clamp, lower footpegs, tall seat and thicker grips. That changed everything.... HUGE improvement! Way more natural feeling on the bike and didn't have to hold on as tight.
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12/28/2015 4:23am
I can get it pretty bad, but mine is usually due to not riding enough. Some things that have helped me:
-Be properly hydrated. The more the better.
-Experiment with different grips. Smaller diameter seems to take less effort for me to grip, I'd find that some of the larger diameter ones would make me pump up quicker. Currently using Tag soft half waffle.
-Ride more relaxed. Loosen your grip in the air. Breathe. Don't try to ride wide open for the entire track. Yeah its racing but if there's a section that you can ease up on and save yourself some pump/stamina, its worth it if it allows you to last longer.
-Previous suggestion on body position is very important. You should be forward enough so that the bike feels like its pushing you from behind instead of dragging you from the front- this will help tremendously if you aren't already doing it.
-Try pushing for a little longer each time you start to pump up. Even if you have to slow down a little to stay in control, force that next half lap and eventually you'll make it longer before it sets in.
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12/28/2015 4:31am
I don´t no your case but I think that´s not "carpal tunnel surgery thing". I had same problem and I could race only 2 laps normally. I did every exercise that there is to solve the problem. It helped but not as much I hoped. So I did quite much research and went under the knife. Google this - Acute Compartment Syndrome. I´m 99% sure that´s your problem. Now I ride and smile all the time :D. It workt for me 100%. Don´t make such decisions to easy! Consult local experts - orthopedics doctors.
12/28/2015 4:48am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 5:01am
ReinV wrote:
I don´t no your case but I think that´s not "carpal tunnel surgery thing". I had same problem and I could race only 2 laps normally...
I don´t no your case but I think that´s not "carpal tunnel surgery thing". I had same problem and I could race only 2 laps normally. I did every exercise that there is to solve the problem. It helped but not as much I hoped. So I did quite much research and went under the knife. Google this - Acute Compartment Syndrome. I´m 99% sure that´s your problem. Now I ride and smile all the time :D. It workt for me 100%. Don´t make such decisions to easy! Consult local experts - orthopedics doctors.
You mean chronic exertional compartment syndrome. Acute Compartment Syndrome is something way worse and is the result of an impact on the blood vessels. :p

Chronic exertional compartment syndrome is an exercise-induced condition in which the pressure in the muscles increases to extreme levels during exercise. The pressure creates a decrease in blood flow to the affected area which leads to a deprivation of oxygen to the muscles.[2] The symptoms are a sensation of extreme tightness in the affected muscles followed by a burning sensation if exercise is continued. Chronic exertional compartment syndrome usually occurs in athletes who participate in repetitive impact sports such as running.

Even some MotoGp riders have been treated for it (Pedrosa, Hayden,...). I don't think they lack fitness and technique.

If you're fit and can't seem to battle it with anything then go see a specialist for it. They'll measure pressure at rest and at load and they'll diagnose it way better then some random internet person can. The procedure to treat it is called a fasciotomy:
a surgical procedure performed under general anesthesia in which the surgeon cuts a slit in the fascia to release the pressure within the affected compartment. Typically, several weeks of muscle rest are prescribed post-op.


I suffer from it to but havn't got treated. But i'm thinking about it. My lower arms are wider then popeye's upper arms after 3 laps. It's not only the pain, i can't even open a bottlecap fir the first 15 mins... Pretty dangerous to keep on riding to since the control of my fingers is totally gone. No grip strenght + no control of fingers is not something you wan't to have on a motorcycle. I got the same issue on trackday riding but only on my throttle side due to the hard braking and only for the first session. After i'm warmed up it's gone.
For MX i tried everything from training to gels and technique changes but nothing seems to help. MX just is rough on the arms and wrists and the blood flow in my arms can't seem to cope with that. Have to add we don't have any flat tracks here, every track nearby is sand and becomes busted up quite fast.
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12/28/2015 4:55am
I had this problem, only got worse and worse. I tried about every exercise there is, every tool, powerball you name it and it did not go away.
Ended up having surgery on both my forearms and i wish i had it done sooner. It is not completely gone, still get a bit of armpump when i start riding again after a injury or something like that but when i ride a few times a month i don't have any armpump.

A friend of mine is having surgery on both his arm tomorrow, here in Holland it is quit common to have surgery. Most of the doctors have no idea what you are talking about, you need a doctor who has some knowledge about this problem.

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12/28/2015 4:58am
Have you changed bikes lately? When I switched from a 450 to a 250 2t, I noticed the vibration in the bars put my hands to sleep real bad. Not sitting while riding has seemed to help a lot of arm pump. When riding MX, the track usually dictates where I can stand and sit. When I race cross country, I can stand for longer periods of time.

I'm a desk jockey also. My arms have progressively felt more and more like I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome. I'm not ready to get the procedure yet though but I can imagine that sitting and typing all day will make your carpals start to creak. Arm pump comes and goes for me. The cooler the weather, the better my arms do.
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12/28/2015 5:33am
Is your first lap a fast lap?
Try warming up.... roll the track for a few laps, check the track out, look for lines, it will help with the warm up process
Instead of doing 1-2 fast laps, do 5-6 at half or 3/4 of your ability, its a building process
as mentioned, experiment with grips, are levers at comfortable reach? throttle maintenance?
gym does help but there is no substitute for seat time, again, its a building process
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12/28/2015 5:34am
Vanilla wrote:
I had this problem, only got worse and worse. I tried about every exercise there is, every tool, powerball you name it and it did not...
I had this problem, only got worse and worse. I tried about every exercise there is, every tool, powerball you name it and it did not go away.
Ended up having surgery on both my forearms and i wish i had it done sooner. It is not completely gone, still get a bit of armpump when i start riding again after a injury or something like that but when i ride a few times a month i don't have any armpump.

A friend of mine is having surgery on both his arm tomorrow, here in Holland it is quit common to have surgery. Most of the doctors have no idea what you are talking about, you need a doctor who has some knowledge about this problem.

Yes of courseSmile
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12/28/2015 6:32am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 6:33am
Stretch your wrists in both directions- calmly and relaxed. Go out and run a few easier laps and come back and relax for 5-10 minutes. Then go hit it hard..

Also, I think finding the right handlebar/grip combination is critical. Once I found the right combination for me, arm pump nearly disappeared and I never get blisters.

Oh and I run a keyboard all day at work and never had issues related to that..
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12/28/2015 8:32am
I'm 41 now and it first hit me at 16. I remember the day. Anyways mine sounds just like yours. It caused me so much misery. I tried absolutely everything from physical prep to bike set up to surgery and I never solved it. I have the same in my lower legs when I run (compartment syndrome) which leads me to believe it's purely something your born with and literally nothing can change that. I've heard guys like Chad Reed say he's never ever had it. I found my best lap was always my first even though I didn't know which way the track even went lol. I also found the longer I stayed off the bike (like weeks or months) the better it was, same with running. The more I rode the worse it was. I'm still bitter and I haven't ridden for 5 years now lol. I believe the only solution for me was more extensive surgery but at that point it seemed crazy as I just loved riding, it wasn't my job. .
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12/28/2015 9:28am
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






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12/28/2015 9:41am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 9:45am
Vanilla wrote:
I had this problem, only got worse and worse. I tried about every exercise there is, every tool, powerball you name it and it did not...
I had this problem, only got worse and worse. I tried about every exercise there is, every tool, powerball you name it and it did not go away.
Ended up having surgery on both my forearms and i wish i had it done sooner. It is not completely gone, still get a bit of armpump when i start riding again after a injury or something like that but when i ride a few times a month i don't have any armpump.

A friend of mine is having surgery on both his arm tomorrow, here in Holland it is quit common to have surgery. Most of the doctors have no idea what you are talking about, you need a doctor who has some knowledge about this problem.

Strangely my doctor in Australia knew exactly what I was talking about because of runners and football players he'd worked with that had lower leg issues (just like I do too). He assured me the surgery was no big deal and did it under a local anesthetic while I watched lol. I went back to him saying it maybe helped 10% on the right and 20% on the left. He wasn't surprised though and recommended much more extensive surgery, literally elbow to wrist instead of the 3 inch cuts. That was going a bit too far for me though so I didn't go through with it.
12/28/2015 10:37am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 10:38am
Compartment syndrom. Get surgery and enjoy the ride. I wasted so many years trying to figure out ways to make it better but as I got older it only got worse.
I totally know where you are coming from. I spent hours and hours training on and off the bike but it doesn't matter if you can run a marathon if you can't physically twist the throttle.
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12/28/2015 11:04am
jl0822 wrote:
Is your first lap a fast lap? Try warming up.... roll the track for a few laps, check the track out, look for lines, it will...
Is your first lap a fast lap?
Try warming up.... roll the track for a few laps, check the track out, look for lines, it will help with the warm up process
Instead of doing 1-2 fast laps, do 5-6 at half or 3/4 of your ability, its a building process
as mentioned, experiment with grips, are levers at comfortable reach? throttle maintenance?
gym does help but there is no substitute for seat time, again, its a building process
X2, warm up properly will make a huge difference, it has for me. I actually spin on my bike trainer for 30 minutes before I go to the track to get the blood flowing and that helps a ton. Then my first and second motos are only for warm up... My best motos are 3 and 4 and the fifth is always a crap shoot as I am usually pretty beat by then!
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12/28/2015 11:09am
I had this problem for some time. Turns out I was anemic. My muscles and brain were fighting for oxygen. Got hooked up with some killer iron pills and after a couple months I was much better.
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12/28/2015 11:28am Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 11:31am
I sufferd from the same problem. Raced pretty high level from the age of 8 till 16 and had arm-pump on and off. Most of the time when I was relaxed and practiced on the bike twice a week this helped. But after a two to three year break from riding and an early form of RSI (repetitive strain injury) because of too much PC work on my right arm, the compartment syndrome got unbearable. Contacted a sports doctor who was familiar with chronic exertional compartment syndrome and he performed a pressure measurement in both arms. The pressure was way to high so I was eligible for surgery. Got both my arms done that summer, with a small scar (4 to 5cm). So most of the cutting was done underneath the skin. My left arm improved 80% but my right arm sadly did not improve that much. I think that is because the repetitive strain injury in my right arm/elbow got worse and worse. Specialists agreed. Now 4 years later I can't ride anymore because al the muscles in my right arm are tired all the time and the tendens in my elbow hurt every minute. But that's because of the RSI, not because of the compartment syndrome. Most physiotherapists and doctors think because of the combination of RSI and the compartment syndrome my bloodflow and muscle recovery are not function at 100% anymore.

So my advice: have the surgery but watch out with the computer work. Once it goes bad it's almost impossible to turn it around.
PS i'm 23 years old....
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12/28/2015 1:12pm
Arm pump solution:

Hydrate properly

Avoid sugar drinks

Proper technique

Breath (long slow deep breaths the ENTIRE time you ride...even if you think you do this, you probably don't...especially if you are trying to go fast, you are probably holding your breath more than you'd think)

Ride more (go slow enough to use proper technique and focus on breathing)

When riding focus on riding NOT on the arm pump. Stop thinking about arm pump, focus on the corner ahead, the next obstacle, etc.

This is part of proper technique, but relax not just your grip on the bars, but your arms and shoulders, and grip the bike with your knees.

Stretch your arms, and warm up (jumping jacks, etc.)

I had major arm pump issues (similar to what you described)...doing those things fixed it. I very seldom get even minor arm pump any more.
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12/28/2015 2:01pm
I didn't read through everything but here is a few things that always help me.

Watch how you are living. Bulking up is essentially giving you arm pump

Stay really hydrated.

Concentrate on your knees and feet. Focus on gripping with the legs and relaxing when possible.

Pick spots on the track to take deep breathes. For example on jumps, into corners etc.

Let the bike work beneath you. Don't try to muscle it everywhere.

Technique is a major deal, focus on proper footwork on the pegs and being neutral on the bike.
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12/28/2015 2:24pm
Don't grip the bars so tight. The end.
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12/28/2015 2:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 2:29pm
Ever try rock climbing? I would try some bouldering or roped climbing. It will increase your grip strength and stamina, and will provide other benefits as well.
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12/28/2015 2:36pm
3 things.
Breath
Don't hold on as tight.
Open your hands while you are in the air.

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