If you can torque your sprocket bolts, you can fix a brushless motor.

F150Motocrosser wrote:

Brace yourself..... The ...more

F150Motocrosser wrote:

Brace yourself..... The JS7/Alta threads are coming....

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So my uncle darryl.. He's james stewarts baby's mechanic said that js7 and alta have signed an agreement to race Lommel august 6th.

so stump it!

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your ...more

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your sprocket bolts, you can fix a brushless motor.

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Yup. There may be similar number of parts in the entire functional drivetrain to currently what is in just the clutch mechanism.

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your ...more

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your sprocket bolts, you can fix a brushless motor.

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Im curious about how? I dont really know much about them.

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your ...more

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your sprocket bolts, you can fix a brushless motor.

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kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I ...more

kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I dont really know much about them.

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They are exceedingly simple:

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your ...more

colintrax wrote:

If you can torque your sprocket bolts, you can fix a brushless motor.

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kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I ...more

kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I dont really know much about them.

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Dirty Points wrote:

They are exceedingly ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

They are exceedingly simple:

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OK. So, they really are like RC brushless. Man, single moms could do that!

kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I ...more

kzizok wrote:

Im curious about how? I dont really know much about them.

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Dirty Points wrote:

They are exceedingly ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

They are exceedingly simple:

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kzizok wrote:

OK. So, they really are ...more

kzizok wrote:

OK. So, they really are like RC brushless. Man, single moms could do that!

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Yeah. We are already using it all the time-- not just RC cars (and hoverboards), in terns of digitally controlled brushlles: cordless drills, angle grinders, hair dryers, fuck -- whatever. We all probably use it daily.

It isn't sci-fi shit, nor is it complex. It is very simple stuff mechanically, with a bit of digital logic overhead, like almost everything motorized currently in production.

About 50 lbs too heavy, have no range and are waaaay to pricey. Yes electric is the future but it will be awhile (unless there is something out there lurking).

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, ...more

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, have no range and are waaaay to pricey. Yes electric is the future but it will be awhile (unless there is something out there lurking).

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50 lbs? An Alta is 250 lbs stock with comparable (and infintelty more tunable) power characteristics to a 250F. Seems to me they are, in their infantile stage at most, 25 lbs too heavy. Which is significant, but definitely addressable.

Range is already similar or better than any stock MX bike.

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, ...more

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, have no range and are waaaay to pricey. Yes electric is the future but it will be awhile (unless there is something out there lurking).

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Dirty Points wrote:

50 lbs? An Alta is 250 lbs ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

50 lbs? An Alta is 250 lbs stock with comparable (and infintelty more tunable) power characteristics to a 250F. Seems to me they are, in their infantile stage at most, 25 lbs too heavy. Which is significant, but definitely addressable.

Range is already similar or better than any stock MX bike.

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One being race at PIR last week by Andy Dibrino. My kid was on the same gate and it was a rocket off the start and tough to get past him.
Alta PIR

Yup, electrical motors are extremely simple. Really the only replaceable parts would be the bearings.
Speed controllers are also pretty simple from a hardware perspective, it's the software that's complex.

The weight and intial costs are the only issues right now. But long terms costs are very low, and the weight isn't that bad. It'll get better as Alta progresses. The very first 2 stroke wasn't light by today's standards. Hell who would've thought a 450 could get under 220 lbs back when the YZ426 came out?

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, ...more

brewrabb wrote:

About 50 lbs too heavy, have no range and are waaaay to pricey. Yes electric is the future but it will be awhile (unless there is something out there lurking).

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Dirty Points wrote:

50 lbs? An Alta is 250 lbs ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

50 lbs? An Alta is 250 lbs stock with comparable (and infintelty more tunable) power characteristics to a 250F. Seems to me they are, in their infantile stage at most, 25 lbs too heavy. Which is significant, but definitely addressable.

Range is already similar or better than any stock MX bike.

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brewrabb wrote: ...more brewrabb wrote: https://www.altamotors.co/#the-future-of-fast

Comparing to thumpers which are heavy pigs compared to, say, an Sx250.

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Why would you compare them to an SX250? Yes, they may be heavy compared to those. They also may be heavy compared to an rm125. or a sx50. But The torque numbers are not comparable to any of those models.

They do not need to be comparative in weight to a Sx250. Alta is not attempting that. They are attempting to compete with 250Fs, which weigh between 230 and 245 ready to ride.

Next gen battery, or should I say capacitor technology, will bring the weight down and the range way up. Graphene based capacitors would seem to have the lead from a materials science perspective, but who knows. Regardless, this tech is now on the steep part of the development curve.

And by the way, I did stay at Holiday Inn last night.

http://energyandcarbon.com/lithium-ion-batteries-versus-supercapacitor/

RhinoRider wrote:

How much when the motor ...more

RhinoRider wrote:

How much when the motor burns out? Or batteries?

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jorgechavez wrote:

This is what I was ...more

jorgechavez wrote:

This is what I was wondering. People are acting like the things gonna be bulletproof aside from the regular wear and tear things like tires and chains etc.. but what are you going to do when the electric motor fails? I know people who won't dare to take the head off their 4 stroke let alone dive into an electric motor. Not to mention the cost from Alta to get it fixed would probably be through the roof.

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Dirty Points wrote:

Theoretically, if the ...more

Dirty Points wrote:

Theoretically, if the market shakes it out, an electric motor should be a supremely low cost repair compared to what we are used to.

Way, way simpler, with fractional part count of an internal combustion, and significantly less inertial torque to mitigate compared with even a 2-stroke. Compared to a high performance 4-stoke: not even in the same galaxy of complexity, even electronically.

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They are saying about $7000usd. How ever, they are easily rebuilt. They're saying they could attract a $3000 resale as it costs not much to rebuild, but it's just specialist equipment to do so.
The battery will last about 500 hours. I think there is probably 4K worth on rebuilds in 500 hours on an ICE bike. That's if you even bother trying to fix it after 300 hours as everything in the engine bike will be shot

RhinoRider wrote:

How much when the motor ...more

RhinoRider wrote:

How much when the motor burns out? Or batteries?

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Just sell those used up parts to snowmobilers. Tell them it'll turn their sleds into hybrids like the Porsche 918. Those guts fall for all the latest gimmicks........

Jeff alessi wrote:

Alta really needs to sit ...more

Jeff alessi wrote:

Alta really needs to sit down in a chair and look at that design, come up with the next look. They need to see the value of a product that looks like the future, not something that looks old. From the middle of that seat forward it looks like the last ktm 125 I road in my career, it looks like an 05 white ktm 125. It looks old and heavy. That front fender and really just the whole bike doesn't say future it says ww2.

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JA just nailed it out of the park with this. To me...that bike looks dorky and dated.

On the " It'll be cheaper in the long run " bullshit....exactly that...Bullshit.

What's that battery cost? What's that motor cost? The price difference is like $6000.00 - $7000.00 compared to a new 450 isn't it? That kind of money...you could get 25 years out of a 450.

About 3 years out of a 250F....but still , $15,000?

We ain't ready for this yet.

Getting the weight down on these electric bikes will be far easier than a traditional ICE bike, because quite simply battery technology is evolving at an extremely fast rate. Smaller, lighter, longer lasting, and faster charging batteries are coming out every year. Shaving weight should be very simple. I would also think that there is an alternative simple solution to shaving weight. Using Hydrogen as a fuel source to recharge the battery, and using a smaller battery. Refilling the hydrogen would be the equivalent of refueling from a propane tank - speed, ease of use, etc. The hydrogen combines with oxygen via a special membrane to create water - reverse hydrolysis, thus energy is created in the process. The process charges the battery, thus a smaller lighter battery could be used. The membrane would be relatively small and simple to maintain. And the best part is, the bike produces small drops of water, so the bikes could water the track as they are ridden to keep dust under control

anyway, back on point - shaving weight isn't going to be difficult IMO. I could see these bikes having equal or greater torque along with lighter weight in less than 3 years compared to current MX bikes. This stuff is evolving a lot faster than anyone could ever imagine.

Real question is - which major mfr steps up first and buys Alta?

So what kind of mods are going to be available for these?? What will FMF, Yosh and all the other engine part companies do?? Will this even out the field when it comes to factory vs privateer bikes? Will they have an electronic start or kickstart ?? Haha joking on the last one but curious about the rest

Maybe I am just old school but this bike couldnt interest me less. Sure its the "future" but I live in the now where people can barely afford a 7 or $8,000 bike let alone 10-15.

Can we really respect a rider that does well one one of these?

Give it a license plate and road tires... then maybe.

If I could justify the cash, I'd get 4 of them right now to ride on property that I currently don't because of neighbors. I'd think that it'd be fairly easy to "throttle down" for beginner riders and they'd be perfect for when the kids bring friends over. If they were 7-8K they'd sell like crazy.

Alta may become the Tesla of motorcycles, as long as Tesla doesn't realize people ride motorcycles...........

Jeff alessi wrote:

Alta really needs to sit ...more

Jeff alessi wrote:

Alta really needs to sit down in a chair and look at that design, come up with the next look. They need to see the value of a product that looks like the future, not something that looks old. From the middle of that seat forward it looks like the last ktm 125 I road in my career, it looks like an 05 white ktm 125. It looks old and heavy. That front fender and really just the whole bike doesn't say future it says ww2.

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jeffro503 wrote:

JA just nailed it out of ...more

jeffro503 wrote:

JA just nailed it out of the park with this. To me...that bike looks dorky and dated.

On the " It'll be cheaper in the long run " bullshit....exactly that...Bullshit.

What's that battery cost? What's that motor cost? The price difference is like $6000.00 - $7000.00 compared to a new 450 isn't it? That kind of money...you could get 25 years out of a 450.

About 3 years out of a 250F....but still , $15,000?

We ain't ready for this yet.

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Well Brushless motors never really wear out. Maybe bearings. Some of my RC planes been running same brushless motors for years. Lipo battery's have came along way in 10 years.

TbonesPop wrote:

Getting the weight down on ...more

TbonesPop wrote:

Getting the weight down on these electric bikes will be far easier than a traditional ICE bike, because quite simply battery technology is evolving at an extremely fast rate. Smaller, lighter, longer lasting, and faster charging batteries are coming out every year. Shaving weight should be very simple. I would also think that there is an alternative simple solution to shaving weight. Using Hydrogen as a fuel source to recharge the battery, and using a smaller battery. Refilling the hydrogen would be the equivalent of refueling from a propane tank - speed, ease of use, etc. The hydrogen combines with oxygen via a special membrane to create water - reverse hydrolysis, thus energy is created in the process. The process charges the battery, thus a smaller lighter battery could be used. The membrane would be relatively small and simple to maintain. And the best part is, the bike produces small drops of water, so the bikes could water the track as they are ridden to keep dust under control

anyway, back on point - shaving weight isn't going to be difficult IMO. I could see these bikes having equal or greater torque along with lighter weight in less than 3 years compared to current MX bikes. This stuff is evolving a lot faster than anyone could ever imagine.

Real question is - which major mfr steps up first and buys Alta?

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I'd say KTM steps of first. You can't even compare a gas engine to an electric motor in the Tork department!

midwestmoto wrote:

So what kind of mods are ...more

midwestmoto wrote:

So what kind of mods are going to be available for these?? What will FMF, Yosh and all the other engine part companies do?? Will this even out the field when it comes to factory vs privateer bikes? Will they have an electronic start or kickstart ?? Haha joking on the last one but curious about the rest

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FMF power core ESC

midwestmoto wrote:

So what kind of mods are ...more

midwestmoto wrote:

So what kind of mods are going to be available for these?? What will FMF, Yosh and all the other engine part companies do?? Will this even out the field when it comes to factory vs privateer bikes? Will they have an electronic start or kickstart ?? Haha joking on the last one but curious about the rest

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cali11 wrote:

FMF power core ESC

cali11 wrote:

FMF power core ESC

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I admit it. I'm not ready for this. I don't like it, and I don't want it.

Of course, I've never seen a 40 bike gate full of these things doing a 30 minute moto. Maybe once I see that it will grow on me, but I just...I don't like it. I'm old school too like nascarnate said above. I want to hear the bikes and smell the fumes.

However, I'm just new-school enough to say that it could, possibly, maybe - grow on me. I don't count on it though.

I'm with jeffro, nascarnate, and harryback.

This doesn't move my needle in the slightest. Honestly I wish it would just go away. JMIO of course

752dad wrote:

Finally a "Factory" ECU!
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752dad wrote:

Finally a "Factory" ECU!
Or is it an MCU?

KC

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Actually that would be a factory ESC.

I wouldn't say no to having one